04 set up for drift???

[harlesjohn]

im getting an 04 and i was wondering how the body roll is?? im sure its pretty bad my friends have a couple gtos and i noticed there kinda slopy.. what have you guys used to correct that and make the body stiffer? thanks guys

[jonlee]

<---- pedders and BMR subframe connectors

[harlesjohn]

thats all you guys got for me? is the gto a good drift car? is it to heavy? does the possie stay possie when your not on the gas? who has drifted there car? body roll?? controll?

[OneRedLS1]

Please don't drift your 20,000 dollar Car, your going to break it..

you have to remember the car weighs ALOT. and remember that it's not really the car your drifting it's inertia, power to weight ratio and entering and exiting speeds... the car has 350hp and it's rwd with traction control off your not going to have a problem sliding it sideways.... it has fairly soft suspension so it's going to sway... get some lower profile tires. sub frame connectors. i think you will be fairly happy with it... i have a 1985 corolla with a gts swap and built suspension.. that is a drift car... light fast and quick revving...

I guess you could drift the gto... but remember parts are expansive practice in a parking lot first and please. keep traction control off

ps.. they under steer a little

good luck

[969Sonny]

Really good advice from previous posts. Pedders and bmr parts are key! Take a look at Rhy's specs for his drifter. If you are doing it for fun then just do suspension and get some more HP and lot's of tires. IF you want a contender then follow Rhys's cue and get even more tires. Either way it's a good drift car if set up properly and at the end of the day it's all about the driver in drift not necessarily the car.

[jonlee]

i heard somewhere on this forum that using the e-brake on this car to drift will cause it to freak out or something along those lines.

you can always get rid of non-essential items like seats and such to make the car lighter.

[1SLOGTO]

If you pull the e-brake wile driving it wont work it makes a loud clunking sound and then beeps.

[969Sonny]

+ 1 on the ebrake comments. If you notice Rhys has redsigned his ebrake system to work properly and of course changed his whole brake set up. But remember there are many ways to drift. It all depends on the car and what it likes and the driver and what he/she likes. To overcome the stock car setup one could try a fein drift style that works well with the car and it's sloppy suspension. The downfall is that it's not as graceful thus loosing points and takes a lot of practice. I personally think the ebrake method is the easiest to learn and does the job.

There are so many things to consider when drifting a car that we could write on this forum for days. Drifting is best described as an art form. There is nothing like taking control of an out of control car and make it look like it was intentional and graceful.

The GTO may not be the best car to begin training on but it all depends on the driver.

The AE86 platform has always been the favorite to learn second to that is the nissan 240.

Guys remember this is all opinionated and to really know what to do, one needs to buy tires and get out there and try it.

It's all fun!

[mikeith]

here's a little drifting 101 for ANYONE with a rwd car.... if you have a rwd car you DONT need to touch the e-brake to drift properly..... EVER!!! just down shift comming into the head of the curve/corner/turn.... the torque from downshifting tightensup the tail enough to give you a short e-brake effect that starts the drift.... as soon as you come off the clutch and feel the backend start to come loose get into the throttle and fan it out smoothly(dont STAB the throttle)
takes a little practice but once you learn you'll be like "what e-brake"

[Flashpoint]

i heard somewhere on this forum that using the e-brake on this car to drift will cause it to freak out or something along those lines.

you can always get rid of non-essential items like seats and such to make the car lighter.

The "e-brake" is really a "parking brake" it's "drum-like" device inside of the rear rotor.

They are an all on or all off type thing and only meant to be put on when stopped...

Not advisable to yank that handle up at 50+ MPH :bomb:

[gold79TA]

I don't know why you want to pull your emergency brake, use the throttle to control the oversteer (Drift). The GTO is fine in sustained oversteer, the large amount of body roll should be momentary when you initiate the manuever then recover, so don't let this panic you into stopping.
Or modify the suspension to stay flat like the Corolla GTS mentioned. ( those are fun cars, I had an '86).

[rmmshop]

Max from RMR here,

I took out our factory suspension silver street car off our website to a drift day the other day. plenty of motor.

rhys drove it as well, and the absolute biggest thing you need to do the car to make it drift worth is to change the rear diff, tighten it up. rhys was happy with the cars handling characteristics in the suspension for a stock car,. The rear diff whill help it roatate and keep the rear rotating out consistantly. without changing the rear diff, even rhys fights with the big bank at irwindale., the car constantly wants to straighten out. very dangerous for a first timer, the car has enough weight where you can almost use more speed to your advantage, if your carrying enough speed through the course, and flick it right, it will hold a power off slide through most anything to slow yourself down. now touching on the e-brake subject, even the pro's use it. if you come in a little too hot and cant get the back to rotate, this is an easy way of getting the angle back that you need, just make sure that your on that clutch and ready to kick it and compensate

[TampaSRT]

I think this is a great thread for people wanting to do something other than haul ass down the 1/4mi. I've just reciently got an '05 GTO m6 and I'm still searching through alot of information before I take it to the local skidpad. Going from a fwd (well all Ive ever had were fwd) to a rwd is huge, but thankfully this isnt my first day hearing about drifting. I'm anxious to see what this car can do as it will be my 1st driftable car.

[SaintsGoat8]

here's a little drifting 101 for ANYONE with a rwd car.... if you have a rwd car you DONT need to touch the e-brake to drift properly..... EVER!!! just down shift comming into the head of the curve/corner/turn.... the torque from downshifting tightensup the tail enough to give you a short e-brake effect that starts the drift.... as soon as you come off the clutch and feel the backend start to come loose get into the throttle and fan it out smoothly(dont STAB the throttle)
takes a little practice but once you learn you'll be like "what e-brake"

does that mess up or put a lot of strain on anything, ie clutch, engine...? because when i was first learning to drive stick i did that on mistake a couple of times when i was down shifting.

[rmmshop]

does that mess up or put a lot of strain on anything, ie clutch, engine...? because when i was first learning to drive stick i did that on mistake a couple of times when i was down shifting.

RMR here again. i suppose its all personal oppinion. this manuever might be possible witha built car, but it is not good for ANYTHING. The best way is to downshift, but over rev, and then dump the clutch, "clutch kicking" is the proper way to do it. by overpowering the rear it will break loose. another way is to pull the e brake, then clutch kick. but your asking for somthing to break if you downshift and dont rev match the motor. bad bad

[JW Motorsports]

our you can scandinavian flick it :wiggle:

[rmmshop]

mix a little flick in with a clutch kick, like i said, and hold the F ON

[rmmshop]

ok you posted this twice now

[gerg]

It's all about balance, you use the brakes not to slow down primarily, but to shift the weight to the front of the car, off of the rear wheels. Do not apply alot of gas while entering a corner, unless you want to understeer off of the road. After you break and you turning, progressively apply the gas. While the car is rotating, begin applying opposite lock, but not too much or the car will snap back and you will be catapulting in the direction of the opposite lock. Make sure when you are coming out of the slide with countersteer (opposite lock) that you progressively return the wheel to the center position. for better drifting, get a really stiff rear suspension setup. I have a CTS-V and it is way stiffer than the GTO and it is much easier to have clean powerslides, the GTO is a little more clumsy, it seems.

[holden1984]

you know its funny because the monaro is known for its drifting ability. yeah they are good for drifting. thats why the us d1 team uses one, but yeah a) you gotta know how to do it and b) you have to set it up for it. If you have it set up the right way they are siiiick.

[Anarchy99]

Keep the GTO as a Day in Day out Driver and get your self an old 240 S13 or S14 and do your Drifting in that and keep your 20+K car looking good.

[rmmshop]

GTO takes quite a bit of proper setup to make it a good drift machine.

I reccomend a 240, 86 corolla, or someones pre built drift car. or you can be dumb like me and spend a fortune to setup the GTO.

[gforce]

I've drifted my 04 m6 in parking lots. Friends cars and light poles to make it interesting. You gotta keep the revs up 2nd gear is the best. My car is fairly stock with very little mods. The car holds it's line very well in stock form. Can't wait to do suspension mods to get on to auto crossing.

[protomor]

GTO takes quite a bit of proper setup to make it a good drift machine.

I reccomend a 240, 86 corolla, or someones pre built drift car. or you can be dumb like me and spend a fortune to setup the GTO.

be different. Im tired of seeing the same 2 cars drift... I drift an E30 (1989 bmw 325i).

And you guys have some skewed views of drifting. You mention many good ways of initiation but theres no one "Right" way. E brakes are good for slowing down into a turn. The key in your rear drum E brakes is to push in the clutch. You dont have to stop your whole drive train, just do enough to upset traction. If you want to be easy on your car, start a turn and exponentially lay on the gas. As long as your suspension isnt crap, it should come out.

As for damage, only the initial shock is detrimental to your drive train. In the end, its no more damaging than drag racing or auto x.

btw, it takes balls to drift a 20k car :) I like balls

[rmmshop]

be different. Im tired of seeing the same 2 cars drift... I drift an E30 (1989 bmw 325i).

And you guys have some skewed views of drifting. You mention many good ways of initiation but theres no one "Right" way. E brakes are good for slowing down into a turn. The key in your rear drum E brakes is to push in the clutch. You dont have to stop your whole drive train, just do enough to upset traction. If you want to be easy on your car, start a turn and exponentially lay on the gas. As long as your suspension isnt crap, it should come out.

As for damage, only the initial shock is detrimental to your drive train. In the end, its no more damaging than drag racing or auto x.

btw, it takes balls to drift a 20k car :) I like balls

just liek you said, everyone has different ways to drift.

[Swampgoat]

Yo guys, did I just really read all this thread and nobody mentioned a Kaaz lsd equipped diff or a set of Hotchkis bars?
Wow.
I set the front sway on medium and loosen or tighten the rears to match the driving expected. Stock front endlinks bend with the front bar full tight and poly bushings if hammered hard!
You can kill the roll completely on stock tires, and if you wanna run the tail on full tight and the front loose you get really silly with this car.
Be careful getting used to it. My fav line in this thread is the 'ebrake, what ebrake?'.
GTOs are fantastic drift cars. Think heavy battle-cruiser, not cigarette boat though.

[protomor]

I honestly dont use my E-brake. I think mine is like yours. Its a brake shoe inside of the rear disks. Mine are all mangled and its like $100 a side to replace (damn BMW!).

Ive learned a combo of either brake drifts or down shifting shift locks to make up for that lack. Most of you guys will be doing that and powering into the corners. The problem with powering into the corners is that you need the car setup for oversteer or youll just push into a wall.

Just look up the drift bible video from option. IMO the japanese drifters use the E alot because their cars either dont have power or they are used to not having it.

Turbo BMW FTW!.. and LS powered domestics!

[Swampgoat]

Torque> Ebrake

[rmmshop]

Kazz LSD FTW

[harlesjohn]

i just picked up an 04 m6 and that thing get sideways pretty nice and it stays how u put it and streightens out very nice not even that much body roll for how heavy the car is and for being BONE STOCK :gears:

[rmmshop]

i just picked up an 04 m6 and that thing get sideways pretty nice and it stays how u put it and streightens out very nice not even that much body roll for how heavy the car is and for being BONE STOCK :gears:

if you ever take it to a drift day, and go to enter a 85mph bank, youll see what im talking about when i say Kazz LSD FTW. it wants to straighten itself out, and can easily suck you into a wall. be careful!

[Street Tuner]

rmm are right guys.....heres how you drift an 85mph bank in one of our twin turbo Holden Commodores (same as an 04 GTO).... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WVuPodXQdc

[rmmshop]

rmm are right guys.....heres how you drift an 85mph bank in one of our twin turbo Holden Commodores (same as an 04 GTO).... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WVuPodXQdc

clean drift guys! keep it up!, nice initiations!

[Street Tuner]

Thanks rmmshop!
Thats our guy Mark Phillips who is one of the Drift Australia guys that came over (with some NZ dudes) and visited RMM last year. We have just upgraded him from that car (HSV VX LS1 TT) to this - and yep she's a twin turbo too :turbonaug:
http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Tuna/stripes.jpg
I think you guys will know it as a Pontiac 'G8'
Anyway if RMM want to know anything about setup on these bad boys we already have 6 months of testing data and drift parts development, so drop me a PM if we can help in any way :)

[rmmshop]

Thanks rmmshop!
Thats our guy Mark Phillips who is one of the Drift Australia guys that came over (with some NZ dudes) and visited RMM last year. We have just upgraded him from that car (HSV VX LS1 TT) to this - and yep she's a twin turbo too :turbonaug:
http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Tuna/stripes.jpg
I think you guys will know it as a Pontiac 'G8'
Anyway if RMM want to know anything about setup on these bad boys we already have 6 months of testing data and drift parts development, so drop me a PM if we can help in any way :)

As for now we are sticking to the solstice for a while. but we will see what GM/Pontiac has in store for us, i appreciate it, and that car looks GREAT. very clean, very nice, just like Rhys, you guys down there know what your doing!

[Street Tuner]

We are aiming on running a 2 x car G8 team next year in the Australian National Series so, yeah, things are looking good :)

[holden1984]

get a hydraulic e brake. i wonder what will happen if i actually ever really need the ebrake in an emergency? seems sketchy to me.

[protomor]

get a hydraulic e brake. i wonder what will happen if i actually ever really need the ebrake in an emergency? seems sketchy to me.

Some people install secondary calipers in order to keep the factor E-brake. Many people simply highjack the regular brake system and use a check valve to only effect the rears. It takes some thinking but theres no reason you cant keep your regular E-brake.

Btw. I missed you guys at my last drift event! I saw one GTO there and the guy had no idea of these boards. Next event is august 23rd, details are on my website.

[holden1984]

my gto is going drifting this friday at the rocky mountain raceway event... my corollas engine blew out so its in the shop for a swap and the gto will be replacing it for this event.

[rmmshop]

nice!, got a LSD unit in that diff yet? maybe a rear swaybar, youll be set

[holden1984]

where can i get an lsd set up? nope i dont not yet. i need one. i ve never pulled the goat out for this yet. my 86 has taken me through every drift event thsu far.

[rmmshop]

we can order a Kaaz LSD 2 way for you, about 900-915 for the unit, most drivetrain people will install it for about 250.00. then you gotta break it in

[holden1984]

well as important as lsd is, im gonna have to think this one over! haha my rolla parts are so cheap, but getting my goat built up to compete as well would be pretty cool

[rmmshop]

i just did my kaaz lsd, its clunky and makes some noise, but it is a must if you wanna compete in these things, also changing the rear spring rates so these things dont squat as much under load, and a sway bar set, to help it rotate.

[holden1984]

so what is your position there at rmr? do u compete much etc?

[rmmshop]

i work in sales, and transportation, and i compete in my own car in smaller local drift days

[element256]

Good to hear such a heavy car is easy to control properly.

[element256]

well as important as lsd is, im gonna have to think this one over! haha my rolla parts are so cheap, but getting my goat built up to compete as well would be pretty cool

I'd opt the goat over corolla as there's just less done and shocking people is always fun. :rant:

[04YELLOJAKET]

I'm rolling a bone stock suspension as well. Now I don't really know where it was that I learned how to drift, but I feel as if I can drift this fat pig of a car pretty well for what it is. The only problem is finding a safe place to practice doing it. I think that one of the best ways is to learn on a wet road.
Also does there have to be a certain amount of speed involved to be considered a Drift? I think I'm usually running between 35 and 45ish when drifting, does that sound right? I never pay attention to my speed because drifting takes a lot of concentration, even more so on a public road.
Anyway I'm very interested in drifting, but I want a cheaper car to do it in. If I wreck this car drifting I would be very sad.I really mean that.

[rmmshop]

you can drift very slow or very fast, when i took mine out i was usally 75mph, but this was on a track, wet roads are easy to practice on because there is far less grip, and you can do the same manuevers at half the speed

[psykostevo]

Please don't drift your 20,000 dollar Car, your going to break it..

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/g/i/p/795296.jpg

[SCVDon]

i heard somewhere on this forum that using the e-brake on this car to drift will cause it to freak out or something along those lines.

you can always get rid of non-essential items like seats and such to make the car lighter.

e-brake pulling is used in front-wheel drive cars to make up for massive understeer with these cars during quick turn-in. Tuck the nose in and pull the e-brake to get the back out to overcome plowing front-end. Over-inflate rear tires sometimes helps too. Did that for years with my autocross FWD VW POS. Helps to tape the handle release button down so that you don't lock the e-brake on at the worst possible moment. (Else $$$ bad things can happen)

With GTO just put your right foot down and hang on. 350 - 400 HP (stock) does the rest. Pedder (et al) stuff just smooths out the stock wheel hop and gives better control.

Use at your own risk etc. etc.

[jzEllis]

our you can scandinavian flick it :wiggle:

nawadays they call that "fienting" but i know exactly were you're coming from.

[rmmshop]

nawadays they call that "fienting" but i know exactly were you're coming from.

i learned everything from a rally driver, who still use the term scandi flick

[jzEllis]

the GTO/Manaro is an EXCELLENT car to drift, with the exception of higher penalty price in repairs. i used to drift both a JZa70 /1jz supra and a toyota soarer, and compared to the GTO, they were both drifting dogs! lots of sawing at the wheel to keep them sideways, and lots of Scandinavian snapping/feinting to initiate a good slide.

comparatively, the GTO stock can be flicked out with just a good stab of the gas or quick feint. and when it goes sideways it stays there. very easy car to control on the throttle too. my only complaint is the steering is kinda slow, so it does not self correct as readily or recover form sudden snap over steer situations as well as i would like.

but with practice and mods, ANYTHING that is RWD is natural for drifting. contary to popular belief, the only reason the silvia/180sx/200sx and AE85/86 are so popular is that they are CHEAP, and have a large after market suspension industry.

in fact when the s13 silvia/180sx firts hit the market it was criticized for a propensity to snap over steer. and for having a suspension that was way too soft. and look at it now! a good drift car depends more on driving style/practice, and mods that take advantage of each cars strengths and minimize it's weakness.

[QSMM6]

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/g/i/p/795296.jpg

lol i'd rather break a 20,000 dollar car than a Mopar Viper..

Here's some body roll 4 ya.
Thanks stock suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bm7kGTrbAE