SUPERCHIPS Programmers now available from GRAVANA

[Gravana Jim]

HAPPY NEW YEAR! SUPERCHIPS Programmers now available from GRAVANA

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Gravana Introduces the Superchips Max MicroTuner for your LS1 & LS6 engines. Superchips cracked the codes to release the performance potential of your vehicle. All you have to do is simply connect the MAX MicroTuner to the diagnostic connector inside your vehicle. The MAX MicroTuner saves your stock program, identifies the program and then uploads the correct Superchips performance program for your vehicle, to give you more horsepower and more torque. No generic “one program fits all” tuning - our engineers program to specific PCM codes. Superchips performance programming along with increases in horsepower and torque, removes most of the torque management. The Max MicroTuner allows the end user to custom tailor the rev limiter, WOT shift points and shift firmness level to the specific driving task at hand. You can also disable the skip shift on manual transmission cars, calibrate the speedometer for rear gear changes and raise the top speed limiter*. Also, while we do not require the installation of a colder thermostat, this unit provides the ability to set the fans to come on sooner. The Max MicroTuner is designed to work with stock and “lightly-modified” vehicles. Aftermarket air intake kits, shorty headers and cat back exhausts work well with the Max MicroTuner performance programming. However, aftermarket mass air meters, cams, head work, long-tube headers, etc., will not work properly with the Max MicroTuner.

Claim by Superchips is 23.4 HP & 25.0 FT/LBS.

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Thank you!

[adearmas]

Would like to know more about this product.

[jagular]

Sixth: Why would my GTO not come optimized from the factory?


I can't answer the other questions, but this one is easy. The car is tuned to last at least 100,000 miles (including the idiot factor), which means that the car does not come from the factory with performance that will allow someone to blow the engine/transmission. GM leaves HP on the table in order to limit its warranty issues/buyer's perceptions of quality.

[adearmas]

Took alook at the Superchips web site. I'll wait to know more about this.

[speedking]

WOW! $430.00 23 HP thats $200.00 bucks a pony! I'll pass, $100 a pony and I would buy it.

[Gravana Jim]

I have run Superchips products in many vehicles over the years. Their HP claims have always been backed up by customer satisfaction. The product tends to speak for itself once you install it.

Additionally, it is only $18.38 per HP, which is a great value compared to many other bolt-on performance products.

Jim

[adearmas]

Jim I have questions on how this thing works. Say I have astock car and I get one of these superchips gadgets. I plug it in. What happens then. Reads my settings and allows me to change for some other pre set values or does it have some diagnostic capability to see how my car is performing and then sugesting changes. If I then make some mods like an exhaust and some airintake what would the Superchip do different as compared to what it would do to a stock condition.

[tovogto]

I have the same questions as adearmas... plus... is there any tuning differences b/w A4 and M6? I'm new to tuning, but it seems like more "perceived power" increase is had by those with Autos? Thanks

[adearmas]

OK, I got it from the horse's mouth at Micro Tuners. The thing works on the GTO the 04' Corvette and the Cadillac CTS-V. They all have the same LS1 engine. You plug it in, reads and saves your OEM settings in case you want to restore them at a later point. Then it asks you some questions you just answer yes or no and then it reprograms your car with optimized values. That's all there is to it. If you do CAI and Catbacks it is ok. If you have any other major mods like h/C, supercharger, N2O and the like you would have to go custom. You can remove or reset spped limiter on your car, shift points, and other stuff you cancheck on their web site.

It is basically plug and play. It is a no brainer for they did all the work for you already and made achip for you to use.

All I need now is for JIM to put it on sale and I will get one. Umm, I better sit down I don't get tired waiting.

[Blitzu]

The CTS-V has the LS6, not the same motor by any means.

I am reluctant to believe these gains on a stock motor with just a chip.

[adearmas]

"The 2724 tuner is on the web site now. Just got put on there this morning. It will save a copy of the stock file so that your car can be returned to stock condition any time you want. As for the options you list, the tuner will work well with them, they only enhance the performance with the tuner program installed. You will have one program to choose and that is the high performance program, we do not offer anything else. This tuner will also tune the 04 Corvette and the Cadillac CTS-V, they of course all have the same engine. This is not a broad range tuner, it goes in and looks for a specific code in each computer to match up with and then installs the program for that info match.
Al" [quote]

That's a quote of what he said.

[Blitzu]

That's a quote of what he said.

I believe you, but I wouldnt trust any company who thinks that the CTS-V has the same motor as the 04 GTO and O4 corvette.

[adearmas]

What can I tell you? There must be an explanation for it. These people are not any Johnny come lately you know. For all effects, the fact is I have a GTO and the thing works for my GTO.

[Blitzu]

What can I tell you? There must be an explanation for it. These people are not any Johnny come lately you know. For all effects, the fact is I have a GTO and the thing works for my GTO.
Well see there comes ignorance, the fact is yes, they do have a product marketed for the GTO, but the fact that it works for your GTO is yet to be proved since you do not have it installed on YOUR GTO. 23 RWHP is a hell of lot of gain especially on a stock motor.

They state that their product is not intended for a heads and cam motor, yet the LS6 is precisely that... a heads and cam LS1. I would have to first see what the operating temps of the motor were between runs on the dyno numbers from stock to modified computer. This alone has shown a significant difference in the numbers dyno'd on any GTO. You would also have to take into consideration the barometer for that day, and what it was during each pull.... or was if the pulls were even performed on the same day. This will make a large difference in dyno numbers.

I'm not trying to be anti-superchip, all I am trying to do is save unaware consumers money on a product that will not perform as advertised. Yes, the GTO is tuned rich from the factory and power is there to be made, but the number represented are those those that even a professional tune on a dyno with a wide band sensor have not accomplished. I am hesitant to believe a chip that is manufactured to "maximize" the tables on your stock tune to be able to produce these advertised numbers.

People can vouch and stand by this company all that they want but the TRUE facts remain that these numbers are hard to accomplish with a professional tune.

The underlining fact that this "chip" is not intended for motors that have been modified at all, and that the numbers will not increase when modified makes me wonder what does this "chip" actually do then?????

You would assume automatically that the chip takes the given tables represented and then maximizes the tables, yet why wouldn’t the same be true for any stock tune???

The LS6 is a modified LS1 motor yet they advertise it will make increase on that motor, that right there shows that there is a inconsistency with their advertisement. They state that one thing can not be done on one motor then turn around and say it will work on a motor modified. So what is the truth????

I wouldn’t buy into this or spend a dime on something like this unless real life numbers were presented.

I would rather spend the money on a professional tune from someone like Speed Inc before paying a company $400 plus for a hoax.

[FrozenGoat]

The way I read Superchips description on their Website is their tuner queries
the cars computer for the factory ID and header information. It can tell what version LS1 or LS6 motor you have, it then downloads their "optimized" program for that particular application.If you put LS6 heads and cam on your GTO , the tuner would still think it is an LS1 and their tune wouldn't be optimized. It appears that the tuner will not let you download the LS6 program if you wanted to, thats how they get to sell you the custom tuner.
A company has to be careful. Someone could run a setup that ends up leaning out the engine resulting in a blown engine.
The only inconsistency is that the GTO LS1 makes more power and torque than the corvette or camaro LS1 dyno numbers by about 10 hp and 10 lb-ft.
It could be possible because each application has slightly different intake and exhaust and would have slightly different factory tunes for emissions, fuel mileage and other reasons.



2004 Quicksilver M6 GTO
1999 Cadillac STS
1989 Dodge Shadow Turbo Competition package
1983 Reynard Formula Ford race car

[adearmas]

So there.

[Blitzu]

So there.


What????

What is that suppose to mean??

He really said nothing that proves the products works, what he said is it is basically another predator which is as generic as it comes. The only thing this unit might do differently over the predator is it might lean out the fuel a bit more.

Every LS1 runs differently, to put in a generic tune and assume that the benefits will be the same is foolish.

This is proved by dyno numbers, some dyno 270 to 280 @ the Rear wheels, others dyno 300 plus. Every motor runs differently and each needs to be specifically tuned to that motor. This unit is just like the predator unit in which it downloads set parameters which does not mean they will even help.

Every GTO I have scanned has run differently and each needs their different modifications, not one is the same.

So go ahead and waste away $400 on another predator gimic, or spend the money wisely on a professional tune, HP tuners, or a worth while mod like a intake or headers.