Australian Gun Law Update

[Don B]

This was forwarded to me, thought i'd share it...


Check this out, the new left congress and the UN is pushing for gun control in the U.S.A. Check out the National Rifle Associations web sites, www.nranews.com www.nra.org www.nraila.org The NRA is fighting for our right to save the 2nd Amendment.





Australian Gun Law Update



Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...



From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia



Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.



The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,

Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

[DABLACK1]

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.


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[jamesbiz]

wow
makes sense tho.

[1Monark1]

Crime rates also shot up every year after they banned guns in the UK.

[DABLACK1]

what it come down to it the government doesn't want the people to have
more guns than the do....if the people came together we would be greater
than any army

[GeneralVeers]

what it come down to it the government doesn't want the people to have
more guns than the do....if the people came together we would be greater
than any army

"People should not fear their government, rather the government should fear the people" - V

[1Monark1]

"People should not fear their government, rather the government should fear the people" - V

+1 and...

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

[hardball75006]

I don't know why this suprises anyone. After the law abiding citizens are disarmed, it will be a field day for the criminals.

[Silver_06]

To hell with the UN and, uh-hum...other parties. Not a gun owner, but everyone has the right to have one. May have to join the NRA though.

[growler]

Don't worry we're comming to help.

US gets military base in Western Australia
The Age (Melbourne) ^ | 15th February 2007 | Brendan Nicholson
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/us-gets-military-base-in-australia/2007/02/14/1171405295243.html?page=fullp age

[jamesbiz]

back to the top

[speeddemon]

meet my .45 bishes ;)

[DriveTOOfast]

Another item for thought.

In the state I live violent crimes have been on a steady decline for the past 5 years.
Interestingly enough we have had concealed carry laws in effect for the last 7 years.

Is there a direct relationship?
Who knows.
My mother reasonably pointed out that the same time frame also saw a huge increase in the ownership of cell phones, which leads to a couple of possible tie in's.

A. Criminals are greatly worried that victims and witnesses have immediate contact with the police and their activities can be more quickly and efficiently curtailed by law enforcement.

B. Criminals spend so much time talking on their cell phones it cuts into their "fun".

[Konnie the Goat]

See, the same crap happened in the UK. But for some od reason, people are afraid of these weapons. Adn there is no way to ever get them all off the streets. But its so easy to discount people who make these claims as whackos it seems. Even though we have evidence other wise. Aside from a few random crimes, rifles are not popular weapons. Too hard to conceal, expensive, loud, and heavy.

JFK is the only president to be taken out with a rifle. His brother was taken with a handgun. So was Lincoln. Reagan's attempt was with a hand gun. the 4 most high profile gun crimes in our countries history, and only one uses a rifle. Huh. Aiint that funny?

[swegeon]

back when i was a kid u could have a fight get a smack in the nose a black eye and that was that! today the kids here arn't happy until they cause brain damage,rip your eye out and f**k u in the arse...they {the government} took our guns out of a knee jerk reaction after the Hobart thing, f**kin nutter killed 35 on a sunday afternoon .tragic. but i still think we would be better off with guns, hand guns my preferance. that would make the bad bastards think twice about thier lawless actions!

[mixedxboy]

very interesting.

just remember, "correlation does not imply causation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Stati stics

[DeepBlueZ]

very interesting.

just remember, "correlation does not imply causation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Stati stics

of course you can lie about statistics....

That article doesn't mention the probable DECLINE in gun related accidents in the home and so forth, so the ban works both ways.


HOWEVER....

Anyone familiar with my past posts knows i'm a gun owner. Responsible ownership can prevent accidents that tragically kill children who get hold of guns. (one of the FAVORITE liberal examples why we need to demonize guns)

Responsible ownership CANNOT however, prevent victimization by gun-toting criminals. The ball is no longer in the legal gun owners' court, so to speak.

THAT is why I believe that the availability of guns combined with the education and training of gun owners is a much better option than a gun ban that simply strips law-abiding people of their ability to defend themselves.

[st8gunner]

Sorry to bust the proverbial bubble, but while not COMPLETE bullshit, this is a 3 year old chain email that contains more errors and half-truths than facts.

http://snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Among a few things:

In 1996 there were 1474 assaults on people 65 or over

in 1997 there were 1662, an increase of 188

in 1998 (the year following the "ban") there were 1663, prescisely ONE more than the year before, or an increase of .06%

So yes, assaults on those aged 65 and over did TECHNICALLY increase, it was by ONE countrywide.

Also, armed robberies using firearms have actually gone DOWN 9.9% since 1997.

Direct from the site:

"Australian citizens do not (and never did) have a constitutional right to own firearms — even before the 1997 buyback program, handgun ownership in Australia was restricted to certain groups, such as those needing weapons for occupational reasons, members of approved sporting clubs, hunters, and collectors. Moreover, the 1997 buyback program did not take away all the guns owned by these groups; only some types of firearms (primarily semi-automatic and pump-action weapons) were banned. And even with the ban in effect, those who can demonstrate a legitimate need to possess prohibited categories of firearms can petition for exemptions from the law. "

So the email would lead you to believe that many people in OZ owned guns before the buyback, and this was simply not the case.


Don't start flaming me, I'm not anti-gun, I have a CCP and 9 guns and counting, but almost nothing pisses me off more than chain emails that are more often than not, complete bullshit and people perpetuate them by passing it on.

[Scurvy]

^^^ exactly, why look at other countries where we can't verify stuff.

There's plenty of evidence here in the states:

In DC, since the banned firearms, the homicide rate has gone up 300%. In that same about of time the national homicide rate has gone down 9%