General UHP's or Fuzion ZRi's - Mileage Results

[peeps]

Cost is the same, basically...

I have searched and narrowed my choices down to these 2 tires. I wore through the stock 17's in 17,000 miles and wore through some Kuhmo Ecstas in about 16,000 (fronts still have a few K on them though). I drive fairly aggressively when traffic allows. I frequently chirp 1-2 shift. These seem to get good recommendations for people who burn through tires like I seem to be doing, just no one has provided long term mileage results.

What was your mileage on your stockers and what was/is your mileage on one of these tires?

Please no trying to convince me to go with another tire. I have done my reading and figure I can't do any worse with one of these than I have with my previous tires.

[peeps]

I guess using the search and making a specific question scares everyone away ;) Don't be scared people, let me know your mileage stats ;)

[puredrive]

Fuzion would be my choise

[City Goat]

I tried both on my old car

General Exclaim > dogshit > Fuzion

[#1HotRod]

My front Fuzions lasted about 18k miles since installation. And I wore them OUT before I replaced 'em. The rears didn't last as long...my bad.

They made frequent trips sustaining speeds of over 100mph on the autobahn, 25 mello-to-warm laps at Nurburgring, and a parking lot auto-x. FWIW, they got noisy when worn, and the rears gave the feeling like they were coated with grease once they needed replaced.

I don't think you can beat 'em for the price.

ATW,
RED

[J.E.T.]

You get what you pay for in tires.........I recommend Michelin PS2's FTW.

JET

[peeps]

You get what you pay for in tires.........I recommend Michelin PS2's FTW.

JETSo I assume I would be getting 46,000 miles on these with the 270% price adder??? I can assume it is linear with price right??? :D

I understand better tires can be had, but the way this car rolls in turns and has sloppy bushings and uneven tire wear, what exactly am I sacrificing with cheaper tires? It surely ain't mileage as I guarantee I would wear out these pricey Michelins on the same or less time as the stock BFGs, the replacement Kuhmos, and the Generals I put on yesterday. I surely did not get my moneys worth out of the 70% more expensive BFGs that came on the car. You will not convince me that a better (ie Michelin) tire will last me longer. Same went for my last car, despite what tires I put on and at what cost, they were toast @ 20,000 miles...Kuhmos, Goodyear, BFG, etc...

Until I upgrade and correct the lovely stock suspension Holden threw at us, I won't be pushing this baby any more than I already do, even if it had better rubber on it. So what exactly is the point? If quality/safety were an issue, I'm sure we would have AT LEAST heard some sensational news story on these horrible General or Fuzion tires...let alone a recall.

[DAFFYDRUNK]

No idea about wear, but the 04 GTO M6 I just got has a new set of UHPs on it. So far I think they are a decent tire for the money although I haven't tried to push the car much. Seem to get good traction. I can floor it in 1st at idle without t/c on and it's doesn't go up in smoke. They seem to grip well on on clover leaf on ramps too. I ran out of balls before the tires ran out of traction...

[deadlift]

i had the UHPs on my old car and drove it pretty hard. i got 15K out of them and traded the car just before they looked like a slick

i have a buddy with the zri's on a 350z and he loves them. i will ask how many miles he has on them but then he drives like a granny

[yowzerman]

I ran out of balls before the tires ran out of traction...

I agree! For the price of the UHPs and the rear burnouts, I'll buy them again. My fronts are ~10k and still have real good rubber. The rears...well, you know.

Tom.

[dsclark]

Please no trying to convince me to go with another tire. I have done my reading and figure I can't do any worse with one of these than I have with my previous tires.

I am not going to try convince you of getting another tire, but I'll toss this out:
The Falken 329 m/s, Z rated tire, only available in the U.S. through BigO tire, is the only Z rated tire that comes with a 30K mile pro rata warranty. If you want the longest lasting tire, this one is it. Mine, at 245-40-18, were $150 each installed and they come with free balancing and road hazard.
If that is not your bag, then travel on...

[peeps]

I am not going to try convince you of getting another tire, but I'll toss this out:
The Falken 329 m/s, Z rated tire, only available in the U.S. through BigO tire, is the only Z rated tire that comes with a 30K mile pro rata warranty. If you want the longest lasting tire, this one is it. Mine, at 245-40-18, were $150 each installed and they come with free balancing and road hazard.
If that is not your bag, then travel on...thanks for the info. I will check these out in 15K-17K when the Generals wear out...

[OCGoatHerd]

thanks for the info. I will check these out in 15K-17K when the Generals wear out...

Take a look at the Kelly Springfield Fierce UHP. I can get them for $99 each in a 245/45/17 and $112 for a 235/40/18. They have the same mold as the Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD2 (the previous model of the F1). Goodyear is basically still selling the tires as a Kelly Springfield. They are one of the few tires actually made in the USA.

The General UHP has great reviews, but I don't dig the soft sidewall. I can get a stiffer sidewall and a better deal on the Fierce UHP. Seems like a good deal to me. Just a thought.

OcGoatHerd

[Kylan]

The General UHP has great reviews, but I don't dig the soft sidewall. I can get a stiffer sidewall and a better deal on the Fierce UHP. Seems like a good deal to me. Just a thought.

You've certainly peaked my interest!
But which would have better dry traction? Does having a softer sidewall allow better straight-away traction while giving up some cornering?

[OCGoatHerd]

You've certainly peaked my interest!
But which would have better dry traction? Does having a softer sidewall allow better straight-away traction while giving up some cornering?

I would only be guessing. I would think that the Fierce UHP will perform better than the General UHP because of the mold from the Goodyear Eagle F1.

The treadwear is 420 on the Fierce UHP (400 on the General). If you are doing some serious drag racing, 15 inch tires are the way to go regardless of brand. You want sidewall flex on a slick. That is for sure. Not sure if this is very helpful.

OcGoatHerd

[Kylan]

I would only be guessing. I would think that the Fierce UHP will perform better than the General UHP because of the mold from the Goodyear Eagle F1.

The treadwear is 420 on the Fierce UHP (400 on the General). If you are doing some serious drag racing, 15 inch tires are the way to go regardless of brand. You want sidewall flex on a slick. That is for sure. Not sure if this is very helpful.

That was very helpful, thank you!

That's why I asked, because like you said, a flexible sidewall is good for goin' straight, so that's why I'm wondering if that makes a big enough difference on the Generals to make them grip better than the Fierce on a street. I was also looking at the specs of each tire and it seems the Fierce are a little bit smaller than the Generals. Also can't find anything on how much road noise the Fierce make. Nothing is worse than your car screaming like a banshee at 65mph.

[spd98]

I've got the zri's. they are not a bad tire but the stock potenza's will blow them away. they are noisier and do not bite close to as well. I think they are a great tie for the price and would run them on the grand prix but they are not sticky enough for the goat.

I will NOT be buying another set. I cut a stocker and needed new tires and they were all I could get same day.

[LS2-GTO]

My front Fuzions[...]25 mello-to-warm laps at Nurburgring, and a parking lot auto-x. FWIW, they got noisy when worn, and the rears gave the feeling like they were coated with grease once[..]

ATW,
RED

Wow I'd kill to drive a gto around the ring. :gears:

[peeps]

UPDATE: after about 700 miles on the General UHP's, they are going back. The sidewall is just too soft to allow any safe feeling lane changes, quick movements at speeds greater than 50mph...They grip well, and don't feel like you are going to lose traction, just makes the back end too squirley!

Unsure what I will replace them with...still researching, but will be something available at Discount Tire to I can trade these UHP's back in (less any $ for the treadwear I used).

[pawz]

UPDATE: after about 700 miles on the General UHP's, they are going back. The sidewall is just too soft to allow any safe feeling lane changes, quick movements at speeds greater than 50mph...They grip well, and don't feel like you are going to lose traction, just makes the back end too squirley!

Unsure what I will replace them with...still researching, but will be something available at Discount Tire to I can trade these UHP's back in (less any $ for the treadwear I used).

Wow that sucks. I was considering a set once my Nittos are gone, since those UHP's are cheap. Guess I will look for something else as well.

[multistrada74]

fuzions are great. love um. they are stupid cheap too. only have a few thou on them but they have almost zero wear and are wearing really evenly do to a perfect alignment. i'll be getting them again in a wider size next time.

[BIG-L]

Just made a 700 mile trip and had the Generals installed the day we left.Im running 40lbs in all and seemed to be fine traveling at 75/95 mph and lane changes and tight turns were fine.

The treadwear is 420 on the Fierce UHP (400 on the General).

On the side of my General UHP's they say 380 tread wear.I must have a special set :drink:

For the price they arent a bad tire !

[peeps]

I tried with pressure at 32 and 38 and they just felt unsafe at both. Not like they were going to lose traction, just the squirly feel could very easily give the driver the feel that they need to turn just a bit more/less causing the driver to oversteer/understeer and create a dangerous situation. The previous Kuhmos I had on before that didn't have the soft sidewall problem. Perhaps I got a bad set since everyone on here raves about them.

Either way, they are not for me and I will be paying the difference for the BFG KDW N/T's next week when they get them in....

[gtopete]

I had my stockers on until about 22K. I did abuse them quite a bit. I now have the Generals, my car has 50K. There is still some tread left but I have been much gentler on these tires. The Generals price can't be beat and they have a cool tread pattern. I would definitely recommend them.
PS I went with 235's in the front to avoid the strut rub. I'm sure this cost me quite a few miles on the original stock tires.

[ruski]

hmmmmm.... My rear tires have been getting low and I have been eyeing the Generals. Are they really that bad?

[peeps]

IMHO, if you plan to do any aggressive driving and have the stock 17's, they are not a good fit. They may do better on the 18's with shorter sidewalls....

[ruski]

IMHO, if you plan to do any aggressive driving and have the stock 17's, they are not a good fit. They may do better on the 18's with shorter sidewalls....

I don't do autocross, but I commute aggressively (but politely). I often find stretches where I can speed up.

[peeps]

I don't do autocross, but I commute aggressively (but politely). I often find stretches where I can speed up.same here, and I am unhappy with them....

[Hoss81]

You get what you pay for in tires.........I recommend Michelin PS2's FTW.

JET

Ya know, not everyone has the cash to go dump 3 car payments on tires. I realize some of you have tons of money you don't know what to do with. But some of us are just your average income individual. As much as I would love to buy a set of tires made my michelin, I just don't have the money. Especially for a set of tires that have really bad treadwear. I rather get a harder tire and get more miles out of it. Just my .02

The author of this thread wanted to know the difference between 2 different tires. Your response is equal to a person asking which car is better, a cobalt SS or a Neon SRT-4, and you recomending a viper!!!

[MacDogg]

Just make sure your alignment is stright on the front. My front 245/45/17's Fuzion ZRi's wore out really fast becuase the inside edges wore flat pretty quick. I have changed the rear tires twice before I changed the fronts but that was when I was running them at the track.
Sorry, I don't watch the miles on my rubber, I check the rubber to see when to replace.

But, I would go back to the Fuzion's again. I have had two sets on the front and rear and the do me well. Like someone mentioned, they are low cost but tire rack shows them as pretty good tires.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=F uzion&tireModel=ZRi

[Quantim0]

I have Exclaims on my 18s. My rears were getting pretty worn at like 12k with mild driving (no burnouts etc). I just rotated them to the front and the fronts still looked brand new.

I don't notice any problems with handling. Sure they aren't great for agressive driving through turns, but there aren't turns in Fl, everything is straight. However, for $110 a piece I will be getting a new set when these wear out.

I don't see the point of spending $1000 on a set of tires unless you Auto-x or anything like that. If you drive your car even mildly agressive for city streets the Exclaims will be fine.

[DAFFYDRUNK]

So far I've put 4k on my Generals and I dig them. I'd defiantly buy them again. I don't see where they could be sloppy or squirrelly unless they were defective,the pressure was low, or the car they are on has alignment problems. I had mine aligned when I bought it and run the pressure at 33 rear 37 front. Car feels very solid...