TSW - Nogaro Wheel Owners in here!!

[wyd_trkr]

How many 05/06 GTO Owners are running either of these TSW Nogaro Chrome/Black/Hyper Silver 18" x 8" - 5 X 120 bolt pattern and with 40mm Offset Wheels on their vehicles? Any and all replies would be appreciated on the riding and handling with these installed on your vehicle. Thanks.

http://www.tsw.com/img/nogaro_chrome_reg_pop_white .jpg

[fuzzybam]

They look sick, but I have a special plan for those wheels. They will be unique to this forum, at least I haven't seen anyone doing what I want to.

[wyd_trkr]

They look sick, but I have a special plan for those wheels. They will be unique to this forum, at least I haven't seen anyone doing what I want to.

fuzzybam, what do you want to do with a set of these ? BTW, from what I am learning about all these TSW Wheels installed upon the 05/06 GTO's, you will need to buy Hub Centric Rings for them to work properly, without having any vibration and balance problems. What do you know abot this, anything??

[fuzzybam]

There's a member on this board that will make you billet hub rings for the tsw's. I hear nothing but the plastic ones being total shit. As far as what I want to do with them, I'd like to keep that kind of secret because I don't want anyone doing it before I do. I haven't seen anyone on board with what I want to do, so I hope its still that way :)

[TJay74]

Good luck with them, I got rid of mine after three months of not beng able to get them balanced out. They were out of round and seemed to lack quality manufacturing tolerances.

I couldnt find anyone to make the hub centric rings, no one from this board even bothered to return any pms on the rings so I returned my TSW's.

I sent mine back and went with CCW's.

[wyd_trkr]

Good luck with them, I got rid of mine after three months of not beng able to get them balanced out. They were out of round and seemed to lack quality manufacturing tolerances.

I couldnt find anyone to make the hub centric rings, no one from this board even bothered to return any pms on the rings so I returned my TSW's.

I sent mine back and went with CCW's.

Sneakyws6, why am I not surprised that nobody who makes these aftermarket Hub Centric Rings did not get back to you either! Thanks for your honest opinion on these TSW Wheels, as I am calling the company tomorrow morning that I was ordering either a set of 4 TSW Montage or Nogaro Wheels from and tell them I changed my mind. I guess I will just go ahead and send my factory 18's out and get them Chromed instead, now that I am thoroughly convinced that the TSW Wheels are not Hub Centric Wheels like they should be made, for a vehicle that comes from the factory with Hub Centric Enkei made Wheels, the way they should be made for these cars!

[fuzzybam]

Wow that is terrible man. Maybe I won't get these wheels then and save up for some CCWs with a custom color job :)

[HeavyDelta]

Lemme get this straight...some guy on a board throws a hissy that people on a forum with no obligation to do so (and might not have logged on in awhile "didn't even bother returning his PMs" and you guys find that to be compelling enough information to cancel the wheels you wanted?

Interesting.....

I have a set of these coming this week, I'll let you know how it goes.

[TJay74]

Throws a hissy????

Whay are you the hissy patrol now, did you read my pms or something. I searched thru I dont know how many threads to find the 3 or 4 people that quote made unquote hub centric rings, two of them are actual companies and two of them were members.

None of the four ever responded to my pms or emails. Two of them did almost 1 months later after Discount Tire went ahead and returned the wheels.

Go ahead and order them, they do look nice. but when you have issues with the wheels being out of round straight out of the box, needing 2oz of weight with no tire mounted on them, notice that the lug openings are not drilled the same diameter on each wheels so that when you stick you socket into the lug opening some are so tight that it peels the chrome off of the edge of the opening. Then the topper is when Discount Tire tells you that even TSW's literature says that the wheels should of have came with hub rungs, but alas TSW does not make them for the GTO as neither does the aftermarket.

No one other than the select few people on this board makes a metal hub centric ring. Local shops in my area wanted $200-$300 to make 4 little hub centric rings. That is crazy in my eyes. Discount Tire even offered to pay for the rings, only issue was the fact the machine shop needed a wheel for 2-3 weeks while they tooled and made the rings. I couldnt afford to wait that long.

In the end the CCW wheel is alot better quality, did not have the balance issues the TSW's did and did not require hub centric rings.

When you get your TSW check the following...

Have them balanced without the tires on them, any new wheel should need 0 weight on it out of the box.

Watch the run out on the wheel while it is on the balancer, the wheel should track straight with no hop or wobble. All 4 of mine had some sort of hop or wobble. This was even more evident when my car was on the dyno and I could see the wheel bouncing on the dyno drum.

Check the lug well openings, they should be the same size on each (5) opening on each wheel. If not that is another sign of the manufacturing tolerances being off.

I was warned about TSW before I bought them but just like you thought that there is no way they can be that bad. you will get no support from TSW, only through the distributer. Luckily my place of purchase stood behind the wheels and refunded the money for the wheels, mounting and balaning fees x2, and paid for the shipping back to them.

I would rather warn someone then let someone make the same mistake I did.

But spin this how ever you want and make it soulnd like I threw a "hissy" because no one responded to my pm's. You really sound like a winner there man....

[Batsallover]

These are the rims I was on the fence with. Hub rings are a must, there are some dealers on the Forum and one I have a link to that also sells billet rings.

[HeavyDelta]

I'm sorry, were they under some obligation to return your PM?

[TJay74]

I guess no they didnt have to return my pm, but you also dont have to be some sort of internet jackass either do you now?

Of all of the people I pmd and emailed all of them offered the hub rings as a item they sold and or made, so I would say yes they should of have returned a pm in a tiemly manner. Either saying yes we make them or no we dont.

Maybe I come from a different era, I work sales for a living and do rather well at it. I pride myself in returning any customers email or voicemail with a certain time frame. It is my livelyhood to do so.

If you plan on not adding anything positive other than this current crap that is running out of your mouth please dont feel like you dont have to continue to let your rearend overrun your mouth. I particularry dont need to read about it.

I liked the TSW's Nogaro's, but once a manufacturing issue is brought to light and can no be corrected as the part is not readily made then I see that as an issue that othetr potential buyers need to be warned about.

I guess you are the type though that wouldnt say anything to anyone then laugh at them when they have issues, once again a way we clearly differ in the way we were brought up. I wouldnt want someone to go through the issues I had to, but thats just me.

[HeavyDelta]

If this was a place of business I would agree with you. It isn't. You can stop getting all spun up now partner. I just pointed out that you soured two guys to some wheels with an odd complaint about PM's "didn't bother" like you even know whether these people check this board frequently. I guess you figure your overactive sense of entitlement means people should know to check every board they've ever been on for a potential customer, impatiently demanding his PM get attention.

I figure one person's bad experience with a product shouldn't be taken as the Holy Grail, especially if that person seems a little.....ummm.....four letter word starts with an A ends with an L. TSW doesn't sell thousands of wheels being a sh1tbird company.

PS - If you don't like what I have to say...don't read it! No use telling me to stop posting really. :cry:

[wyd_trkr]

I guess no they didnt have to return my pm, but you also dont have to be some sort of internet jackass either do you now?

Of all of the people I pmd and emailed all of them offered the hub rings as a item they sold and or made, so I would say yes they should of have returned a pm in a tiemly manner. Either saying yes we make them or no we dont.

Maybe I come from a different era, I work sales for a living and do rather well at it. I pride myself in returning any customers email or voicemail with a certain time frame. It is my livelyhood to do so.

If you plan on not adding anything positive other than this current crap that is running out of your mouth please dont feel like you dont have to continue to let your rearend overrun your mouth. I particularry dont need to read about it.

I liked the TSW's Nogaro's, but once a manufacturing issue is brought to light and can no be corrected as the part is not readily made then I see that as an issue that othetr potential buyers need to be warned about.

I guess you are the type though that wouldnt say anything to anyone then laugh at them when they have issues, once again a way we clearly differ in the way we were brought up. I wouldnt want someone to go through the issues I had to, but thats just me.

Sneakyws6, your reply was very well put. I could not have delivered your message any better than what you have already done. I am from the Old School myself and have purchased numerous aftermarket wheels for my vehicles for over 40 + years and this is why I started all 3 of these threads on not only the TSW Nogaro/Montage 18" x 8" Wheels for fitment issues etc.

But I also started the "Billet Aluminum Hub Centric Ring" thread as well. I do not like the idea of having to run "Lug Centric" Wheels on these High Performance Vehicles, as you are taxing the wheel studs to support these wheels, when they should be supportive mainly by the use of the Hub Area itself, especially if you Road Race, High Speed Race, Drift etc. with the vehicle.

Hub Centric Manufactured Wheels have always been and will still be "The State of The Art" way to manufacture a good dependable wheel for our performance vehicles, even if it means spending 2 to 3 times more money to get them made in a 3 piece forged wheel application. But to sum this situation up, the Hub Centric Rings are a Dire Necessity on these TSW Wheels, as the result from using the Billet Aluminum ones, means less money spent to get what you want for improved handling and safety, plus the vibration free result.

Hope this helps, as now I have found a reliable company that does make these Billet Aluminum Hub Centric Rings for these TSW Wheels and I am waiting for them, as well as my wheels to come in and get them both mounted this next week. I will post my individual results when we are finished installing them. Thanks for all who posted their individual results with their TSW Wheels. Thanks guy's!!

[TJay74]

If this was a place of business I would agree with you. It isn't. You can stop getting all spun up now partner. I just pointed out that you soured two guys to some wheels with an odd complaint about PM's "didn't bother" like you even know whether these people check this board frequently. I guess you figure your overactive sense of entitlement means people should know to check every board they've ever been on for a potential customer, impatiently demanding his PM get attention.

I figure one person's bad experience with a product shouldn't be taken as the Holy Grail, especially if that person seems a little.....ummm.....four letter word starts with an A ends with an L. TSW doesn't sell thousands of wheels being a sh1tbird company.

PS - If you don't like what I have to say...don't read it! No use telling me to stop posting really. :cry:

First off PARTNER, this is not the wildwest so you can drop that hicky term of endearment.

Second "sour", looked like to me the OP wanted to know what people knew and or felt about the wheels. Seeing as I had direct and current knowledge and or experience with them I thought it should be known of the issues you can run into when getting them, PARTNER...

The people that are and or do operate a business were contacted from this website thru pm's and email. email address were taken directly from their profiles and sent to them in order to buy the rings and fix the issue, but once again your lack of reading comprehension skills and or inability to read has pushed past that so that you can make it sound like you are some sort of superman in disguise saving the day.

There is a reason the TSW's are $250 each and the HRE, CCW, and Iforged wheels are $750+ plus each. It comes down to quality. It shouldnt matter if we drive a 45,000 unit vehicle like the GTO or a mass produced vehicle with 100,000k+ plus per year sales like a Mustang, the wheel manufacture should know this ahead of time and when offering a application specific wheel make sure the items needed to properly mount it are readily availiable for the end customer.

TSW and the aftermarket and certainly not you can not garuntee this. I am sure if they or you could both of you would be sitting back making millions from the idea.

Sure a couple of members offered to make the rings at one time or another, but it has not been steadily availiable and is very sporadic. One of those places has directly at one point advertised on this site to being able to make the rings. If they cant respond to contact efforts in a timely fashion then once again people need to know about that so that they can make an EDUCATED decision, not some off of the hip one that in the end could cause people to have issues like the AZA wheel owners are having now.

Please by all means though, if you are so full of it and want to continue to run your backside go ahead. It makes me no difference. I got my money back and bought another set of wheels. I just hope if the other people have the same issue they can do the same, maybe by now TSW knows of the issue and has corrected it, maybe not seeing as I just went through mine less than a month or so ago.

[HeavyDelta]

Stop or what, partner? You realize that ordering people around on the internet makes you look pretty silly right?

I bought my TSWs from BuyWheelsToday. I talked on the phone with the rep for about an hour about this very subject. He explained the rings they supply and put me in contact with several happy customers. They've literally done dozens of GTOs with TSW wheels.

The only point I was making is to not take your "experience" as the gospel. There are differing opinions and many people have had no problems like you mention with ther TSW products. I made a point of your hissy fit, because I think it is pretty indicitive of the kind of "customer" you are - pretty high maintenance. It is a simple process of reasoning that your high maintenance attitude towards timely PMs could lead one to assume you pretty much go ap3shit over even the smallest of details (which has been proven out by your seething responses to me here :D).

So take the stick out of your cheeks and relax a little. This is the internet grandpa and no amount of bluster will make a person shut up if they want to type their opinion. Really no sense in having a myocardial infarction over it. You're old, you should be enjoying life and not spooling up at the drop of a hat.

:oldfogey:

[TJay74]

I dont get "spooled" up at the drop of a hat thier wipper snapper, and the last I checked people buying things are what makes sure that a business's doors are open the next day or not.

I do know what it takes to make a customer happy, taken directly from my own personal experience.

I am glad that the place you ordered you wheels from is including the rings for you, seeing as TSW does not make them at all for the GTO I wonder where they got them from. Maybe it will be a nice set of those great plastic rings that everyone says is junk. Even the ones that TSW does make are plastic as well though, ROH includes some with their wheels and are made of metal like they should be.

My only point once again even though you seem to be adding and or putting words into peoples mouths is that the OP be able to make a educated decision and or a empowered decision. That he is able to reseach and or make sure he can source the rings as without them issues can come into play, but rings will not cure manufacturing issues I can garuntee you that.

I personally hope his wheels fit fine and balance out, I did not have the time to wait for my vendor to order another set in and then have to unbox them and check them and then spend a day of my time having the wheels swapped out and then have to ship the old wheels back to the vendor.

Maybe yours will be fine as well, maybe Karma says they wont and then you will come back in here with some sort of smart eleck response other than "Gee that guy did say something about that..."

WYD TRKR

Make sure you have your shop check the runout and wobble on each wheel before they mount them, also if they do get to the point of mounting them if they are ok make sure the invert mount the wheel. There is a sticker on the wheel that advises of this but some shops seem to ignore it and mounted the wheels the standard way. If this is your first set of wheels on the GTO make sure they zero out the weight on the wheels. 1/4 once or more and the steering wheel will vibrate once you get over 60mph.

I have had to use road force balancing in order to get a perfect balance on the wheels on the GTO for some reason, something that I never had to do with my Formula's wheels.

[HeavyDelta]

Why did you order non hubcentric wheels without rings by the way, Einstein?

[TJay74]

Non hubcentric???

IF you are talking about the TSW's I was advised that they "were" suppossed to come with them when I ordered them. That is when Discount Tire found out that TSW does not make hub centric rings for the GTO

If you are talking about the CCW's you dont need huib centric rings as John the owner of CCW machines his wheels to not need hub centric rings.

Once again back into your court Darwin..

[wyd_trkr]

I dont get "spooled" up at the drop of a hat thier wipper snapper, and the last I checked people buying things are what makes sure that a business's doors are open the next day or not.

I do know what it takes to make a customer happy, taken directly from my own personal experience.

I am glad that the place you ordered you wheels from is including the rings for you, seeing as TSW does not make them at all for the GTO I wonder where they got them from. Maybe it will be a nice set of those great plastic rings that everyone says is junk. Even the ones that TSW does make are plastic as well though, ROH includes some with their wheels and are made of metal like they should be.

My only point once again even though you seem to be adding and or putting words into peoples mouths is that the OP be able to make a educated decision and or a empowered decision. That he is able to reseach and or make sure he can source the rings as without them issues can come into play, but rings will not cure manufacturing issues I can garuntee you that.

I personally hope his wheels fit fine and balance out, I did not have the time to wait for my vendor to order another set in and then have to unbox them and check them and then spend a day of my time having the wheels swapped out and then have to ship the old wheels back to the vendor.

Maybe yours will be fine as well, maybe Karma says they wont and then you will come back in here with some sort of smart eleck response other than "Gee that guy did say something about that..."

WYD TRKR

Make sure you have your shop check the runout and wobble on each wheel before they mount them, also if they do get to the point of mounting them if they are ok make sure the invert mount the wheel. There is a sticker on the wheel that advises of this but some shops seem to ignore it and mounted the wheels the standard way. If this is your first set of wheels on the GTO make sure they zero out the weight on the wheels. 1/4 once or more and the steering wheel will vibrate once you get over 60mph.

I have had to use road force balancing in order to get a perfect balance on the wheels on the GTO for some reason, something that I never had to do with my Formula's wheels.

Sneakyws6,thanks for the info on what to look for , before mounting the wheels, as I am going to have my local Pontiac Dealership mount my factory Bridgestones on the Nogaro Wheels and Road Force Balance them. I also have a new set of 4 Billet Aluminum Hub Centric Rings coming in as well. Will post back to the board next Monday on how we make out.

[HeavyDelta]

Oh you were advised.


You really are older and wiser. :drink:

[Summerwolf]

I had TSW's, they came with hub centric rings, they were sweet and worked perfect

[05GoatBoy]

Sneakyws6,thanks for the info on what to look for , before mounting the wheels, as I am going to have my local Pontiac Dealership mount my factory Bridgestones on the Nogaro Wheels and Road Force Balance them. I also have a new set of 4 Billet Aluminum Hub Centric Rings coming in as well. Will post back to the board next Monday on how we make out.

T, let me know how the rings work out for you. I will be running a new
batch very soon and could use some honest criticism. I know you'll speak
your mind and it'll only help make them better...erik

Love my Nogaro's, only had them up to 156 before the engine swap
with no vibration. Hope you have same luck getting to 190 :D


Oh, i answer all MY pm's in a timely fashion ;)

[shawnz28]

Not sure if they could be different somehow but I have the plastic rings from TSW on mine and they seem to work well. I have a "hint" of vibration around 50mph but nothing I am concerned about.

[wyd_trkr]

T, let me know how the rings work out for you. I will be running a new
batch very soon and could use some honest criticism. I know you'll speak
your mind and it'll only help make them better...erik

Love my Nogaro's, only had them up to 156 before the engine swap
with no vibration. Hope you have same luck getting to 190 :D


Oh, i answer all MY pm's in a timely fashion ;)No problem Erik, will do. Thanks

[FastEddy]

I have over 10k on my set of staggered Nogaro's. The balance was crap until I got some hub rings. They have been smooth as glass since.

I got my hub rings from a member here, but Discount Tire claimed they could have a set made for me if needed. Do not even bother balancing them until you get real hub rings. The plastic ones are worthless.

I have had no quality issues with the TSW's.

Good Luck!


Pat

[wyd_trkr]

I have over 10k on my set of staggered Nogaro's. The balance was crap until I got some hub rings. They have been smooth as glass since.

I got my hub rings from a member here, but Discount Tire claimed they could have a set made for me if needed. Do not even bother balancing them until you get real hub rings. The plastic ones are worthless.

I have had no quality issues with the TSW's.

Good Luck!


PatPat, thanks for your honest imput here, as the more TSW Owners that step in here and share their personal relationship with any of the TSW Wheels would be more than appreciated.

[HeavyDelta]

Got mine delivered today with Toyo Proxes (245s all the way around), with the hub rings. They look really good. I'm putting them on tomorrow and will post pics soon. :-pimp:

[1969 SS]

Throws a hissy????
Go ahead and order them, they do look nice. but when you have issues with the wheels being out of round straight out of the box, needing 2oz of weight with no tire mounted on them, notice that the lug openings are not drilled the same diameter on each wheels so that when you stick you socket into the lug opening some are so tight that it peels the chrome off of the edge of the opening.

When you get your TSW check the following...

[b]Have them balanced without the tires on them, any new wheel should need 0 weight on it out of the box.

You really sound like a winner there man...


first off, if your PMs had attitude against others as your posts do on here, you were lucky they even answered you in a month's time

secondly, why the hell would someone balance a rim without a tire. if the rim actually was a little out of balance, you could have rotated the tire and probably made up for some of it without even putting on the weights yet

:monkee::monkee::monkee:

[HeavyDelta]

:iagree:

[UGTOWNED]

Interesting... I have staggered TSW Nogaros on my GTO. They have been on without hub rings for about 20,000 miles now with ablolutely no balance or shimmy problems. Good high quality finish, etc... Just make sure you have them mounted and balanced at a reputable shop. If you have problems then, look into some hub rings. We gotta realize that no company is ablolutely perfect, and every now and then a defected product will come out. If you want the Nogaros, get them. Make sure the place you buy them from guarantees fit. If they don't work for you, make the company make it right. I got mine at Discount Tire. They guaranteed the 18X9.5 would fit on the rear of my car. When they mounted them, they rubbed very bad. Discount Tire paid for my fenders to get rolled. Thumbs up to them for that.

Life is too short to argue over a set of rims. Sheesh....

Anywayz... +1 for the TSW Nogaros...

Good Luck to ya....

Front Rim
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[HeavyDelta]

;)Okay, just got it all buttoned up, took her for a spin then took some pics. Got her up to 100 per, No wobble, no vibration, no evident lack of quality manufacturing and no one didn't bother returning my PMs ! :D

Before:

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And After:

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So, word to the wise...when someone comes on with an attitutde that you can't really get good quality wheels unless you pay $750 each, chances are there is something skewed in that person's perceptions.:nuts:

Specs are Silver TSW Nogaros, 18x8.5 with 245 Toyo Proxes T1R all the way around.

[TJay74]

Or you are just one of those people that once a Jackass always an Jackass huh...But thats ok someone out there still loves you...

But you can keep stirring the pot if you like, no biggie to me. You arent hurting my feelings or even remotely putting a damper on my day. In the end I have what I want on my car and you have what you want on your car. I am sure if you even did have a issue alter on down the road you wouldnt post up anyways.

I am glad Discount helped you on your fender roll, they are a very standup company. I will do business with them again as this was not their fault and they did everything they could to try and rectify the issue. They have no control over the aftermarket since TSW did not make or send the hub rings when I bought the wheels.

[HeavyDelta]

I most definitely would let people know if they were junk. So you're saying because I'm giving you a good rogering you can tell I'm the kinda guy that would withold information from this community?!?!? Crazy old man, aisle one!

In fact, the one thing you said that might have a grain of truth (from my experience) is that it seemed to take an inordinate amount of ounces to balance them.

The rest of your drivel is all in your over-indulged, anal, Type-A addled old imagination !!

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[TJay74]

Hmm took alot of weight huh, gee the CCW's took no more than 1-2 ounce on any of my wheels. The one wheel that was more than what I expected was because the heavy spot on the tire was mounted in the wrong position on the wheel.

Alot of weight is a good indication of a wheel that might not of have been balanced properly from the factory, has a heavy spot in it or a bad tire that has a heavy spot or a shop that did not line up the balancing dot with the valve stem on the wheel.

But that is ok, my TSW's "balanced" out ok at first as well. Then noticed on a dyno run the rear wheels bouncing on the dyno.

Its ok though, you dont have to keep stirring up the pot. We all know what side of the monitor the arrogant jackass is sitting on. I would much rather be anal and OCD than arrogant any day of the week.

[HeavyDelta]

How is telling forum members one guy's hissy fit is probably not representative of overall product quality an indicator of arrogance?


Arrogant like needing to spend 750 bucks a wheel before you get good quality? [rollseyes]

You keep on telling me what to do like I'm listening; yet you keep on responding to my posts. You might want to let it go, this can’t be good for your health, pops. I know the term "hissy" really cut you to the quick, but this incessant name calling and ordering me around really makes you look...ummmm.....obsessed.

PS - it was 3 ounces OMFG ONE MORE OUNCE THAN THE CCW, WHAT CRAP THESE ARE !!!! :drink:

[TJay74]

Just to let you know, I am only 33....Seems you cant read sarcasim very well along with any of your other reading abilities...

It is ok, I know you cant afford CCW's, thats ok as well. Like I said run what you want, deal with the issues and I will run what I want. When a vendor cant guarantee the quality of the wheels and insure that the next set of wheels they were going to send me then I am not going to waste my time nor money paying for mounting and balancing fees when I can do it in right once and be done with it.

Once again continue to show your arrogantness, its ok we all can see it is some sort of over compensation for some other short coming. No biggie, I am still over it and you still have not put a dent in my day, wekk, month or anything else. In 3 hours I get to be off for almost 4 days and go take some nice rides in the GTO.

Maybe you should do the same or find some other way to vent that pent up aggression and anger. It can lead to some serious health issues later on down the road like impotence...

[HeavyDelta]

You keep saying you don't care what I have to say, yet you keep responding. Prove I am of no interest to you by not responding! :D

Now you're assuming you know how much money I have to spend. Arrogant of you, don't you think? As misguided and elitist as your originally posted drivel, yeah?

Face it, your "experience" was way out of the norm compared to other people that have posted in here and it points to you being a rather tightly wound goofball more than it does you having any value added to this discussion. Good job, Mr. Successful Salesman!

Now tell us more about how much money you make and how exacting your standards are. It's fascinating, really. :zzz:

PS - arrogantness is not a word. It's arrogance. Must not have ever come up in sales training. ;)

PPS - My Nogaros look good, doncha think?

[04gtod]

No comment on the ongoing battle. Just my experience with the TSW Thruxtons I bought from Town Fair Tire. They were 18x8 and came with plastic hub rings that didn't fit. Had a slight vibration from 50-60mph. Before rebalancing I ordered aluminum rings from the person from Pa on this forum that makes them. Installed them and vibration GONE. Just my 2 cents!

[TJay74]

Nope Heavy D, I think my wheels look 10 times better than yours and only yours...

Also dont make me send my daddy over to kick your daddy butt since you are the one that has been so childish throughout this entire thread...

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