McNabb Pulls race card

[PurdueGOAT]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=302530 8

Effin unbelievable. This kinda crap makes me sick. What a whiney little bitch. He sees the end of his career in Philly is near and so now he has to make excuses for himself. I never had a problem with Donovan until 2 years ago when he made a comment about Favre. Yes, I am a Packer fan so I will always have their side. But he is such a hippocrit and a baby. Favre was mad when Javon Walker held out and simply said "thats not the way to do things." When some reporter asked Donovan about it he said Brett should mind his own business and not get involved. Well, what the hell do you think you're doing by commenting on it???

It's all about end result. If you go to the playoffs win NFC titles and get to a superbowl 10 years in a row it doesn't mean diddly poo if you don't bring a champoinship home, people will want to oust you. Complacency takes a hold of the organization and the fans. If you're a young quarterback they will give you time to develop but if you have been around and have not produced a champoinship, bye bye.

[GoodKid]

Plus he played pretty well last night (?)

[Orkboyz]

Eagles fans, like Redskin fans will bash the hell out of the team if they feel the team is not living up to its potential. I'm a skins fan and I am glad they won but DAMN! What the hell was with the sudden zone defense at the end of the fourth quarter. Mcnabb was sticking just about every pass, making 4th quarter conversions and generally walking the field.

Once again, the Redskins win by luck. I felt for certain the Eagles would walk away with the win on this one.

[rockyrambo]

Yep, the Eagles better get it turned around or McNabb will be sitting at home eating his mother's Campbell's Chunky soup during the playoffs and next season. Eagles fans aren't exactly the forgiving type, especially with some of the talent that has been through there.

Edit: He kinda lost some respect in my eyes when he stood up for a clearly guilty Ron Mexico. McNabb has always seemed to me like a class act, not getting in trouble, and extremely athletic at the position. I'll go out on a limb with this one, but it seems that black QB's tend to possess the running game as well as a strong arm, and the expectations of higher performance are placed on them for that reason. Manning isn't a runner, just has a great read on defenses and a good O-line along with a laser guided rocket arm (if you like that kind of thing :)). Each player has their own "bag of goodies" and should exploit them, not make excuses.

[Leavehard]

Used to be a big fan of his. But I gotta say it ; he's washed up... and the Pheagles suck.

Chrissake... that was da Skins that just put a whuppin on ya, LOL.

[Jizz]

pathetic.

and to think I used to like this guy.

Time for some Kevin Kolb.

[bran1093]

If only he could throw a football.

[huskergto]

And Rush Limbaugh is still getting blamed. Donnie Mc N. and the rest of the dooshbags that can't finish the job will pull the card to alleviate the stress of the fans. What are they getting paid multi-millions for anyways? OH!!! To give the drive-by media something to sink their teeth into.

[PMD GTO]

If only he could throw a football.

Stop pressuring the guy for crying out loud! He's african-american, he's doing the best that he can! :cry:

[TXGTOU]

I wonder if Campbells is reading this......I see "Clam Chowdah" that doesn't come with white cream in their future.......

Oh yeah and........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ip9v-5XWl8&mode=related&search=

[GT-OH]

Eagles fans, like Redskin fans will bash the hell out of the team if they feel the team is not living up to its potential.
Exactly. As soon as the Eagles start playing crappy the fans will turn on them in a heart beat. Thats Philly! Absolutely nothing to do with McNabb being black.

[Midnight]

Exactly. As soon as the Eagles start playing crappy the fans will turn on them in a heart beat. Thats Philly! Absolutely nothing to do with McNabb being black.

:iagree: Hey Philly fan! We'll trade you Grossman for D-Mac straight up!

[phutty2000]

^^^ I bet you would

[Midnight]

Just thought I would offer.

[sxty8goats]

He should watch a Wrex Grossman Post Game discussion, he would feel a lot better...

[PurdueGOAT]

Wow, never saw the "sports section." Cool

[sxty8goats]

Yea, its only a few days old.

[pharmdgto]

The media loves crap like this and this is EXACTLY why the whole "woe is me" black american crap never will NEVER end. History is just that..history. People need to move on. I don't mean we have to forget as we never should but we should have learned from it and move ahead.

It is situations like this the when black americans ( I don't think the term "african american" is correct because how many black americans do you know that are from africa?) take one step forward and 2 backwards.

[GTO JUDGE]

McDrabb has a fragile ego. Very fragile. Andy Reid has been protecting McDrabbs ego for years. Perfect example: Eagles draft Kolb. In every interview I saw with Reid you could clearly see he was catering to McDrabbs Ego. Any other position that a player is drafted, that position is up for grabs and competition will dictate the depth of that position. Reid made it clear McDrabb is the starter and he does not have to worry about it. McDrabb was upset about Kolb being drafted and you could see how uncomfortable he was about it. He kept saying I am the QB I am the QB. Like a child learning he was just named to a starting position.

McDrabb has always been over rated. Always. He is at best a mediocre pro Q.B. McDrabb will not be benched. His ego could not take it. If h e were he'd go into a shell and regress. Look at him last year when he was hurt and didn't accompany the team throughout the playoffs because his replacement was having a stellar season and won the hearts of the fans. Quickly he was traded so McDrabb would not have to worry about heat.

His claiming pressure on black QB's is a disgrace. His sub par play is is own fault. He is blaming society for his whoas. He is a phony. When all else fails play the race card.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

McDrabb has always been over rated. Always. He is at best a mediocre pro Q.B.

I disagree with you here. I'm not an Eagles fan, so don't go thinking that. But McNabb, and there is no doubt about this, is an elite quarterback in this league when healthy. Before his knee injury last season, he was the consensus MVP leader.

That being said, I'm tired of the race card thing. He has always been a class act until recently, and now he's starting to bug me. Look at Grossman, look at Harrington, this is NOT a race issue. QB is the most important position on the field, it is always an issue for every team, and a starting QB feels the most pressure to perform. He needs to get it through his head that it doesn't matter that he's black, just that he lives in a city full of dickhead fans who aren't patient enough to wait for him to get back to full health and perform.

[11 Bravo]

Exactly. As soon as the Eagles start playing crappy the fans will turn on them in a heart beat. Thats Philly! Absolutely nothing to do with McNabb being black.

Yeah, if they still had Garcia the fans would be praying McNabb gets hurt. I've noticed they have no loyality at all. They will never have a Brett Farve. One bad season, like he's had, and McNabb would be run out of town. Farve could average a zero passer rating and they would still love him up there. And the race card lol. Whites are the minority in Philly.

[rockyrambo]

Interesting read on MSNBC this AM - it's opinion, but hits on the high spots......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20857735/from/RS.4/

[PurdueGOAT]

That was a brilliant article! I am going to have to keep up with that guys writing in the future.

[MILLPOND]

I think he should just shut up! He makes millions to play a F*ing game and he is crying because people are talking about how poor he is playing. Guess what? That is the price you pay for making the millions you have. I hate cry babies. There are MILLIONS and I mean MILLIONS of people who work 100 times harder every day for a living and they will NEVER see a million dollars in there checking account. This world is so messed up. The people that should be making the millions are the teachers, nurses, firemen, police officers and the men and women in our Military that have put their lives on the line so this ass can cry about his job.

I believe you should get one free pass everyday to bitch slap someone. I would save two or three days worth of them. Drive to his house and knock him on his ass!!!!!!

[Hot Sauce]

Ive never like him. To me he was always VERY, VERY overrated. I would watch Philly games and get mad about how bad he was, yet people still praised him. Now he pulls this crap. If he was white he'd still be 0-2

[GTO JUDGE]

I disagree with you here.

I respect that but that's my opinion. His numbers do not indicate anything more than mediocre. There are a whole host of QBs above him. BLACK's included. One or 2 good seasons do not define a players carer. His longevity is in question. He has a severe ego problem. He shrugs it off in the press but it shows in his play. He is all Phila has, so he's put on a pedestal. He cannot handle competition. He skirts it. Garcia scared the hell out of him. Hurt or not you cheer on the team especially in playoffs you don't stay home to avoid controversy unless you are controversy... He failed to be with the team in playoffs....

I found him to be a class act as well. But to hear him talk he is a team player but he is all about himself. His actions show that. Now the race card..... It's apathetic excuse and it ought to offend the other black Qb's who are working their butts off. Vince Young will be outstanding. Michael Vick was..... McNair is very good, and so were others. I don't hear the other black Qb's blaming their color for their poor performance... Class acts do not blame others for their own actions.

[rockyrambo]

I found him to be a class act as well. But to hear him talk he is a team player but he is all about himself. His actions show that. Now the race card..... It's apathetic excuse and it ought to offend the other black Qb's who are working their butts off. Vince Young will be outstanding. Michael Vick was..... McNair is very good, and so were others. I don't hear the other black Qb's blaming their color for their poor performance... Class acts do not blame others for their own actions.


Let's not forget Warren Moon, Doug Williams, etc. Pioneers in the QB position, yet generally respected as being good Quarterbacks....not good BLACK QB's, but good QB's. These days, for guys who wear pads for a living and get roughed up by 300 lb guys on a regular basis, they are terribly fragile on the inside. Suck it up and earn your money, regardless of your color. Talent is prevalent in some form or another in every color, so exploit yours to yours and your teams' benefit.

[GTO JUDGE]

Let's not forget Warren Moon, Doug Williams, etc. Pioneers in the QB position, yet generally respected as being good Quarterbacks....not good BLACK QB's, but good QB's. These days, for guys who wear pads for a living and get roughed up by 300 lb guys on a regular basis, they are terribly fragile on the inside. Suck it up and earn your money, regardless of your color. Talent is prevalent in some form or another in every color, so exploit yours to yours and your teams' benefit.

I agree...

I was gonna list them. Especially Doug Williams... He wasn't a superstar and he got a ring. But that's different I suppose. LOL

[GT-OH]

I think he should just shut up! He makes millions to play a F*ing game and he is crying because people are talking about how poor he is playing. Guess what? That is the price you pay for making the millions you have. I hate cry babies. There are MILLIONS and I mean MILLIONS of people who work 100 times harder every day for a living and they will NEVER see a million dollars in there checking account. This world is so messed up. The people that should be making the millions are the teachers, nurses, firemen, police officers and the men and women in our Military that have put their lives on the line so this ass can cry about his job.

I believe you should get one free pass everyday to bitch slap someone. I would save two or three days worth of them. Drive to his house and knock him on his ass!!!!!!

I couldn't possibly AGREE more.

[veronicalfb]

mcnabb is way too full of himself anyway.
pulling the race card FTL. stop whining and just play the game.

[stillgreedy]

He is not pulling the race card. Its just a fact of life. 3/4 of the league is black.( Thanks for the selective breeding). 3/4th or more of the season tickets holders are white. All the owners are white. I believe all of the GMs are white. The only memorable black guy i can think of is the Union leader and he doesnt want to pay the old guys pension.

I can think of plenty of washed up white quarterbacks that stay in the league for years and years and years. Bledsoe, Warner, Brunell, etc etc. Never mind Mcnabb is coming off of major knee surgery and its pretty easy to tell that he is still scared to plant on that leg properly. But now he is washed up and its just 2 games in the season. Give him the whole season to see. I seem to remember Philly was a wasteland before he got there.


Hello people Rascism is alive and well. I dont see why its so taboo to say that. It appears to be a natural side effect of society in general. I distrust white people in general, but i have met white guys that i walk through hell with.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

I respect that but that's my opinion. His numbers do not indicate anything more than mediocre. There are a whole host of QBs above him. BLACK's included. One or 2 good seasons do not define a players carer. His longevity is in question. He has a severe ego problem. He shrugs it off in the press but it shows in his play. He is all Phila has, so he's put on a pedestal. He cannot handle competition. He skirts it. Garcia scared the hell out of him. Hurt or not you cheer on the team especially in playoffs you don't stay home to avoid controversy unless you are controversy... He failed to be with the team in playoffs....

I found him to be a class act as well. But to hear him talk he is a team player but he is all about himself. His actions show that. Now the race card..... It's apathetic excuse and it ought to offend the other black Qb's who are working their butts off. Vince Young will be outstanding. Michael Vick was..... McNair is very good, and so were others. I don't hear the other black Qb's blaming their color for their poor performance... Class acts do not blame others for their own actions.


Yep. I'm with you on all that.

I guess I just respect his talent and playmaking ability a little more than you do, same ideas though. :)

[11 Bravo]

I can think of plenty of washed up white quarterbacks that stay in the league for years and years and years. Bledsoe, Warner, Brunell, etc etc. Never mind Mcnabb is coming off of major knee surgery and its pretty easy to tell that he is still scared to plant on that leg properly. But now he is washed up and its just 2 games in the season. Give him the whole season to see. I seem to remember Philly was a wasteland before he got there.


We're talking about Philly. If you have two bad games and lose them both, the fans here will call for your head even if you're white as snow. Actually, going back to last season, he is something like 2-9. And yes, he is playing the race card.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Hello people Rascism is alive and well. I dont see why its so taboo to say that. It appears to be a natural side effect of society in general. I distrust white people in general, but i have met white guys that i walk through hell with.

Sure it is, I don't disagree with that. It is alive and even rampant in SOME places and with SOME people. But every time it is brought up, it's an affront to the rest of the white population who couldn't care less what color you are.

The bottom line is McNabb is having a tough time returning from an injury, and is playing in a city that wants a performer now and are willing to show their displeasure loudly. He feels backed into a corner by criticism, and the first thing he turns to is racism? Any QB in his situation in that city would be going through the same thing.

[PurdueGOAT]

He is not pulling the race card. Its just a fact of life. 3/4 of the league is black.( Thanks for the selective breeding). 3/4th or more of the season tickets holders are white. All the owners are white. I believe all of the GMs are white. The only memorable black guy i can think of is the Union leader and he doesnt want to pay the old guys pension.

I can think of plenty of washed up white quarterbacks that stay in the league for years and years and years. Bledsoe, Warner, Brunell, etc etc. Never mind Mcnabb is coming off of major knee surgery and its pretty easy to tell that he is still scared to plant on that leg properly. But now he is washed up and its just 2 games in the season. Give him the whole season to see. I seem to remember Philly was a wasteland before he got there.


Hello people Rascism is alive and well. I dont see why its so taboo to say that. It appears to be a natural side effect of society in general. I distrust white people in general, but i have met white guys that i walk through hell with.

Yes, racism is alive and well, and in my opinion it will continue until the end of time as long as two things keep occuring:

1. Groups like the KKK, Black Panthers, etc. are allowed to continue.
2. People feel sorry for themselves and their lot in life and refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

The second is what I believe is occuring here. I'm sorry but if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

Your "white" examples have SERIOUS flaws. You talk about Bledsoe . . . he got injured and was ousted by Tom Brady (hmmm . . . McNabb got injured and his back up Garcia went on to lead the team to win!). So they get rid of Garcia instead??? Wow, would the Pats ever be kicking themselves if they made such a mistake! And you can't tell me if McNabb was let go he wouldn't get a chance somewhere else; of course he would! Just like Drew did with the Bills and Cowboys!

Kurt Warner: Lets compare apples to apples shall we, KW: Superbowl + SB MVP, Donovan . . . Bueller, Bueller, Bueller . . .

As far as Mark Brunell goes, he is a mediocre quarterback at best so thats about the only one I could see having a valid argument to it and still, we cannot forget that he was BENCHED last year and Jason Campbell was given his job so once again, a white quarterback who was underperforming was given the boot.

Sorry, but your "white" examples just don't match up.

[rockyrambo]

You think any Panther fan didn't want Delhomme's head on a platter last year because he was only looking for Steve Smith or someone in an opposing jersey to throw to? We just didn't have a David Carr waiting in the wings like this year, and Philly's bottom line is that Garcia took the reigns and took the team from 5-6 to 10-6 and an NFC East championship in McNabb's absence. What did Garcia get in return? Traded to Tampa Bay as a backup so Donnie could take his team back over. Garcia left there as a hero, and McNabb (albeit injured) can't conjure the same magic as the last half of last season. Are the fans overly impatient? Probably so, but that's no reason to make this a racial issue. The fans pay a hefty ticket price to pay for that talent, and they want to see these guys perform at the highest level possible for them.

[stillgreedy]

The guy is not going to be 100% until next season. Takes 2 years to recover from an ACL tear. He may be a punk, but he is not lying about what happened to him.
I felt the same way about Marino and to a certain point Favre. Why would you waste a good QB. Either ship him for 5 good players or get him some help.

[stillgreedy]

I never had a problem with Garcia but there is a reason why he keeps flippin from team to team. You dont trade the franchise for a system QB.

[stillgreedy]

Yes, racism is alive and well, and in my opinion it will continue until the end of time as long as two things keep occuring:

1. Groups like the KKK, Black Panthers, etc. are allowed to continue.
2. People feel sorry for themselves and their lot in life and refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

The second is what I believe is occuring here. I'm sorry but if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

Your "white" examples have SERIOUS flaws. You talk about Bledsoe . . . he got injured and was ousted by Tom Brady (hmmm . . . McNabb got injured and his back up Garcia went on to lead the team to win!). So they get rid of Garcia instead??? Wow, would the Pats ever be kicking themselves if they made such a mistake! And you can't tell me if McNabb was let go he wouldn't get a chance somewhere else; of course he would! Just like Drew did with the Bills and Cowboys!

Kurt Warner: Lets compare apples to apples shall we, KW: Superbowl + SB MVP, Donovan . . . Bueller, Bueller, Bueller . . .

As far as Mark Brunell goes, he is a mediocre quarterback at best so thats about the only one I could see having a valid argument to it and still, we cannot forget that he was BENCHED last year and Jason Campbell was given his job so once again, a white quarterback who was underperforming was given the boot.

Sorry, but your "white" examples just don't match up.

Bledsoe was a statue.......

I can agree with your stance on Kurt if he didnt have Faulk,Bruce, or Holt. Name one player on the Eagles who measures up to one of them in their prime. Westbrook is made of glass. T.O. is not called team obliterator for no reason. Name one other Philly receiver.

Brunell was pretty darn good until those knees gave out.
And he still went through 3 bad years before he was benched

[GTO JUDGE]

McDrabb can cry racism IF ...
1.He and others being black are not paid on par as white QB's
2. Being a black QB and drafted at another position because the QB is reserved for whites.
3. White players on the team refuse to accept him as a leader.
4. Coaches refuse to work with him and favor a white over him.
5. Play a white QB with lesser ability than he.
6. Do not get endorsements from companies because of his color.
7. The media refuses to interview him and interview whites.

The list could go on. He will be remembered for his ability not his color. The media sensationalizes color. Example: Last year's Super Bowl. THAT MAKES ME VOMIT. IF there were media types talking trash about him because of his color, they would be hung out to dry. Jimmy The Greek, and Howard Cossell and others were crucified for their remarks on blacks. There are Black QB's out there far superior than many of the white QB's. McDrabb just isn't in the elite category. He lacks a GOOD supporting cast. They make a QB good or bad not the color of their skin. He never played the race card until his stats began to plummet. He is struggling because he lacks the ingredients on the team that will make him good, not the NAACP who will want to file a lawsuit down the road if he is benched.

Unfortunately racism is alive. It sux. In the NFL if it were alive, Goodell would be on top of it. I don't see any white QB's out there with their mom pedaling soup. McDrabb and alike want to keep racism on the front burner by inventing circumstances to blame racism for their own lack of responsibilities or inabilities. Notice in his interview he segregates black from white QB's by using WE as in blacks. HE is segregating them. If he keeps pounding his drum on this, any achievements he as made will be overshadowed by his reckless mouth. If he can prove it fine, he can't. No other black Qb's are speaking about it.

He sees Vince Young coming into his own and attention that he once had is now directed at Vince Young. He's jealous of others who have had more successful carers. He is yet another example of why Pro sports as turned me off.

[Palmer]

:popcorn2:

Waiting to see if we have a winner on the "FIRST LOCKED THREAD" in the new section. I'm giving 3-2 on this one with it talking about racism and stillgreedy is in here.

As soon as I see Enthalpy, I'm taking it off the boards.....

:gr_jest:

[Palmer]

Edit: a previous thread has already been locked. Refunding all money on bets now....

[GTO JUDGE]

I'm surprised it lasted this long. LOL

[stillgreedy]

Oh we can lock it down...

[PurdueGOAT]

Bledsoe was a statue.......

I can agree with your stance on Kurt if he didnt have Faulk,Bruce, or Holt. Name one player on the Eagles who measures up to one of them in their prime. Westbrook is made of glass. T.O. is not called team obliterator for no reason. Name one other Philly receiver.

Brunell was pretty darn good until those knees gave out.
And he still went through 3 bad years before he was benched

Want to go to NFL.com and see passer records? McNabb is listed 3 times, Bledsoe 10, Warner 12, Brunell 2. I think that says plenty about Bledsoe and Warner.

[rockyrambo]

Bledsoe was a statue.......

Name one other Philly receiver.



Stallworth, but Reid traded him to the Pats. Given that, I still think Westbrook is the best receiver although only on screens. He, Stallworth, and Garcia got the Eagles where they ended up last year.

[8ball]

Question to all those saying McNabb has a point. How many Superbowls has he taken the Eagles to? When people put him down for playing bad, is he playing bad? He needs to quit bitching and just play the damn game. You never hear him complaining about this when he is playing well and getting praised, do you? He just pulls the race card as a scapegoat. He had knee surgery, so what? He's hurting his team more than anything by being out there. It'd be more admirable for him to step down until he can hit wide open receivers again.

[PurdueGOAT]

And I think that thread was locked before it was moved here. Therefore we could still be the first :drink:

[GT-OH]

The bottom line is McNabb is having a tough time returning from an injury, and is playing in a city that wants a performer now and are willing to show their displeasure loudly. He feels backed into a corner by criticism, and the first thing he turns to is racism? Any QB in his situation in that city would be going through the same thing.

Thats it. No more no less. It has ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN.

[stillgreedy]

This is entertaining. But i am done. Dont really care about the NFL. College is more fun to watch. But DM is a punk, but he has a point with what he said.
Should have never let stallworth get away. Go Titans!!!!!!!!!

[BIGGIE.azGTO]

I was performing like the fans want him to, then he would be running his mouth.
Like someone said before in the thread, shut and play football.

This is why I love college football so much, you cry like this to a college football coach and say your going to speek about it on tv, your ass would be running laps and doing updowns till you puked, passed out and forgot what the hell you running your mouth about to to start with! :judge: