Official Pittsburgh Steelers 75th Anniversary Thread

[Palmer]

http://katespot.com/archives/steelers.JPG

[Harpo]

Best franchise in the NFL:

Well respected owner who wants every team in the league to have a chance -- unlike guys like Robert Kraft, Daniel Snyder, Jerry Jones and Pat Bowlen.

Tied for most Super Bowl wins. And didn't cheat to get them.

Located in the heart of football country -- where the best quarterbacks in the history of the game have come from.

Best fans on the planet. Just look at Super Bowl XL. There wasn't supposed to be a home field advantage there. Hah. The place was packed with Steelers fans. And a very good percentage of them know what they're talking about.

Paid for a big chunk of its new stadium -- without threatening to move in the middle of the night to some half-assed market.

Doesn't sign head cases like Tank Williams or Randy Moss.

[Octomonkey]

I'm glad I have their D on my fantasy team! :)

[Palmer]

Best franchise in the NFL:

Well respected owner who wants every team in the league to have a chance -- unlike guys like Robert Kraft, Daniel Snyder, Jerry Jones and Pat Bowlen.

Tied for most Super Bowl wins. And didn't cheat to get them.

Located in the heart of football country -- where the best quarterbacks in the history of the game have come from.

Best fans on the planet. Just look at Super Bowl XL. There wasn't supposed to be a home field advantage there. Hah. The place was packed with Steelers fans. And a very good percentage of them know what they're talking about.

Paid for a big chunk of its new stadium -- without threatening to move in the middle of the night to some half-assed market.

Doesn't sign head cases like Tank Williams or Randy Moss.

GREATEST POST EVAR!!! :judge:

[Palmer]

I'm glad I have their D on my fantasy team! :)

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=66562&d=1190219844

[Palmer]

Offense isn't too bad either. (ha on Cleveland as 7 though)

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=66563&stc=1&d=1190220094

[Cal Goat]

Best franchise in the NFL:

Well respected owner who wants every team in the league to have a chance -- unlike guys like Robert Kraft, Daniel Snyder, Jerry Jones and Pat Bowlen.

Tied for most Super Bowl wins. And didn't cheat to get them.

Located in the heart of football country -- where the best quarterbacks in the history of the game have come from.

Best fans on the planet. Just look at Super Bowl XL. There wasn't supposed to be a home field advantage there. Hah. The place was packed with Steelers fans. And a very good percentage of them know what they're talking about.

Paid for a big chunk of its new stadium -- without threatening to move in the middle of the night to some half-assed market.

Doesn't sign head cases like Tank Williams or Randy Moss.

QFT.

The other thing I like is that the Rooney family doesn't fire people after one bad season. 3 coaches in like the last 40 years, that's cool. Most of the organization seems to have good people with a lot of integrity.

They're really a beacon of sanity in a league that's getting weirder every day.

Although I hope we don't see those yellow helmets again for a long time.

[SK360]

Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go!

[Palmer]

For those that haven't seen it, this was one of the greatest one man performances I have ever seen. Won tix off of a radio show (AM 970) last year and went to it.

You ever want to learn the full history of the Steelers, this is it. Tom Atkins makes you truly believe you are in the office with Art Rooney, Sr!

http://www.ppt.org/content/showstickets.cfm?showId =17

[Palmer]

Oh, and if you do go, don't expect ANYTHING about the "winning teams". He recounts his (Rooney's) entire life from childhood right up to the point of winning the first superbowl. So there is a LOT of losing in there.

[Harpo]

What I like about "The Chief" is how classy he was. The day after the Steelers won their first Super Bowl -- the receptionist started answering the phone "World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers" because everybody was so excited. Mr. Rooney heard her said it -- and said "please don't say that, people already know. It's OK."

Meanwhile, that idiot Robert Kraft of the Patriots goes to Moscow to meet Putin -- and for some insane reason decides to hand his tacky ass Super Bowl ring to him to show it off. What happens? Putin glances at it, thinks it's a gift, and stuffs it in his pocket!

Kraft had to get a copy made, so he'll never have the original again -- as Putin, without a doubt, had it melted down so the cubic zirconium and aluminum it was made out of could be used for a better purpose -- like a collar for his cat.

[Cal Goat]

Let's talk Steelers vs. 49ers.

I certainly agree with the 9 point spread. I think home field will be a big advantage in this one because the Niners don't suck as bad as they have in previous seasons. If we played them in SF I think it would be a lot tougher.

Seems like the offense had some trouble finishing drives against Buffalo, and I'm inclined to believe that SF will be a slightly tougher defense. So I don't expect a lot of touchdowns in this one.

Thankfully I'll actually get to watch this one since SF is playing - that means they televise it in my market. I gotta get a dish and NFL sunday ticket.

[Palmer]

Let's talk Steelers vs. 49ers.

I certainly agree with the 9 point spread. I think home field will be a big advantage in this one because the Niners don't suck as bad as they have in previous seasons. If we played them in SF I think it would be a lot tougher.


This is an extremely accurate statement. For those that watch them every week, you know that the turf at Heinz does not allow you to cutback at all. I think the running back for the Niners (Gore), with his reconstructed knees, is going to be pretty tentative after the first few slips or tangles.

If he averages more than 4yds per carry, I'll be amazed. I think that their QB is going to have to win this one with his arm and I just don't see that happening.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

You guys will be fine against the 49'ers this week.

I'm worried about when my team plays the Steelers (the Broncos). Should be a tough one, I don't know if it's in the Pitt or Mile High though...

What is QFT by the way? And that story about Kraft giving his ring to Putin is hilarious. Hadn't heard that before.

[Harpo]

If the Steelers are in fact a top tier football team this year (not out of the question as they did win the Super Bowl two years ago), they should absolutely, positively, without a doubt pull their pants down and defecate all over the 49ers.

The 49ers started off their pre-season well -- but have been getting progressively worse on offense ever since. At this time, they don't have any passing game to speak of. Just key on Gore and you're 75% of the way home. And look how well the Steelers D does against the run: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ah2AmJzmP14l otjQvFFLCB2N2bYF?slug=ap-steelers-no100-yardrushers&prov=ap&type=lgns

Anyway, AFC > NFC. 20-10 good guys, at least. Any concerns? Of course. Turnovers could turn this game into something like last year's Oakland fiasco -- where the Steelers dominated everywhere except points. That said, if the Steelers get good offensive line play and a good pass rush -- it'll be time for a nap.

By the way, if you're in the SF Bay Area and want to see the Steelers -- Premier Pizza in Fremont (off Auto Mall Parkway) has the ticket and will put the Steelers games on upon request. At least when I'm there they do...

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Saw something annoying in the local paper (San Jose Mercury News) this morning. They said Big Ben's not going to throw the ball this year. Said he's going to ride Willie Parker for all he's worth. Are you kidding me? Look at his stats! Sheesh.

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Here's the news story on the Putin Kraft ring exchange: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/art icles/2005/06/29/for_putin_its_a_gem_of_a_cultural _exchange/

Kraft later tried to BS everyone by saying it was supposed to be a gift. Yeah, right. The "holy crap" expression on his face when Putin left with it pretty much ruled that out. That and the fact Kraft is the cheapest SOB who ever lived (just ask any of his non-football related employees).

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Anyway, AFC > NFC. 20-10 good guys, at least. Any concerns? Of course. Turnovers could turn this game into something like last year's Oakland fiasco -- where the Steelers dominated everywhere except points. That said, if the Steelers get good offensive line play and a good pass rush -- it'll be time for a nap.

By the way, if you're in the SF Bay Area and want to see the Steelers -- Premier Pizza in Fremont (off Auto Mall Parkway) has the ticket and will put the Steelers games on upon request. At least when I'm there they do...

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That's why they play the games, right? Anything can happen!

Honestly, I wasn't expecting much of the Steelers this season, but they look to be back in 2005 form, scary!

It looks like I'm in the same situation as you Harpo, can't get my teams games at home, (Broncos fan stuck in south Texas) have to resort to hanging out at random places who have the ticket not being able to hear the telecast. haha. I've been going to Hooter's, but just found a bar out here on the Island where I can go, we'll see.

[Harpo]

Looks like I'm in the same situation as you Harpo, can't get my teams games at home, (Broncos fan stuck in south Texas) have to resort to hanging out at random places who have the ticket not being able to hear the telecast.

Yeah, if you're not into the 49ers or Raiders, living here is tough because if they're both playing on Sunday -- both of the local AFC/CBS and NFC/Fox games are spoken for. And then the doubleheader game is usually some crap out of the AFC or NFC West like Seattle at Arizona. Snore.

It used to be worse, though. Back after the 49ers cut Montana, you'd automatically get stuck watching him on the Chiefs. So all the AFC games were automatically spoken for -- and this was before ticket even existed.

Between that and the idiot programming directors out here, things can be pretty bad. In the 80's, there was an epic Chargers/Dolphins game. Fouts against a young Marino. Hyped as the game of the season -- and lived up to its billing. What did we get? Something like KC against Tampa Bay. :cursin:

Oh, well. All the more reason to buy the ticket, I guess. Then again, I usually so busy on the weekends I don't sit around and watch entire games, anyway. I will if they're on while I'm at the gym -- or I'll put some headphones on if there's a good game on the radio. Our local sports stations carry a lot of out of town games -- which is cool as heck.

[Harpo]

By the way, Steeler fans, my Dad and brother were in the house at Three Rivers during the Immaculate Reception -- home bench side of the field, mid way up, around the 40 to the left of the 50.

What did they think? Happened so fast they honestly didn't know happened. Ball flies through the air, Franco runs off and scores, then there was a huge wait until the officials figured out how to call it.

As for me, I was in my aunt's car listening the famous radio call "and it's caught out of the air by Harris" in back of my Grandmother's house in Carrick because we got stuck in traffic and missed the end of the game on the tube...

[Cal Goat]

By the way, Steeler fans, my Dad and brother were in the house at Three Rivers during the Immaculate Reception -- home bench side of the field, mid way up, around the 40 to the left of the 50.

What did they think? Happened so fast they honestly didn't know happened. Ball flies through the air, Franco runs off and scores, then there was a huge wait until the officials figured out how to call it.

As for me, I was in my aunt's car listening the famous radio call "and it's caught out of the air by Harris" in back of my Grandmother's house in Carrick because we got stuck in traffic and missed the end of the game on the tube...

Ever hear Madden talk about it? He's still a little grumpy. I saw a video of him walking in the (now) parking lot where Three Rivers used to be trying to find the exact spot of the reception.

NFL films did a detailed analysis that more or less proved that it wasn't a good catch by the contemporary rules. But it's just part of the game. I think any human ref in that moment would have been hard-pressed to make the right call.

It's still more legitimate than that Thanksgiving overtime fiasco in Detroit several years when Bettis called the winning coin toss but they gave the Lions the ball.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

haha ya I love getting stuck with the Texans games every week too. Kind of the same deal as your two teams. Then the other one is usually Eagles or Giants or Redskins, because they're in the Cowboys division.

I also just figured out that every game is aired on Sirius satellite radio, so I can catch it there at least.

[Harpo]

Ever hear Madden talk about it?

Yeah, Madden still hates the Steelers because of that. It bugs him so much that he was even biased against them in Super Bowl XL by questioning all of the calls against the Seahawks -- while conveniently missing the fact that Casey Hampton was held on every single stinkin' play.

Seriously? Madden's totally overrated as both a coach and an announcer. He's not even the best head coach the Raiders ever had. That honor goes to Tom Flores. Think about it. All the talent of those Madden Raider teams, guys like Ken Stabler, etc., and he only got one Super Bowl win out of them? He makes Marty Schottenheimer look like Knute Rockne.

Anyway, my brother lives in Canton, Ohio -- and I was going to have this (https://ssl.post-gazette.com/store/photos/large/Immaculate%20Recept ion.jpg) made into a gigantic poster so he could hold it up during Madden's Hall of Fame speech just to piss him off -- but his idiot wife wouldn't let him do it.

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Regarding the Thanksgiving coin toss -- believe it or not, the official did get it right. There was a second microphone there (maybe it was the Patriots) and it caught Bettis saying one thing then changing his mind. It was the way the television audio sounded that made the referee look like a boob.

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Back to the Immaculate Reception. I agree with you. That play was so fast and so close -- it could have been called either way and been right. The only guy who knows if he touched that ball or not was Frenchy Fuqua -- and he says the truth is going with him to his grave.

[Cal Goat]

Argh! This is what I was afraid of! Steelers offense looks impotent! Can anyone say "time of possession"?

At least special teams is doing their job.

[The Black Phantom]

Maybe, some of you can enlighten me about one thing about this years Steeler uniform, whats up with the gold helmet's? Is it related to the teams anniversary?

[Cal Goat]

YES!!! 3-0!!!

Unless the Niners can recover from this 30-9 deficit in the next 3 minutes....

[Palmer]

Maybe, some of you can enlighten me about one thing about this years Steeler uniform, whats up with the gold helmet's? Is it related to the teams anniversary?

Yeah, they were "throwback" uniforms from teh 60's I believe. Everyone this year is doing it. Look at the :barf: Eagles today.

[Jizz]

Tied for most Super Bowl wins. And didn't cheat to get them.


You know this how?

[Harpo]

It was an OK game by the Steelers. Really liked their special teams work today. Punts were good, kickoffs were great. Would've liked the offense to come out hitting on all 8 cylinders at the start of the game, though. Defense came out a little slow at first, too, but held the 49ers to field goals both times -- and that first 49er drive was kept alive by quarterback scrambles and other busted play kind of stuff.

Of course, the locals here are all whining about all the bad calls. The defensive holding call, the incomplete pass, etc. However, the worst call was the pass interference that wasn't called on the guy covering Heath Miller when he caught ball out of bounds. Miller was flat out getting mugged on that one.

One thing that really worked in the Steelers favor is that one of the 49ers starting LBs got hurt in practice this week -- and the guy who came in is more of a pass rusher than a coverage guy. That really helped open things up for the tight ends.

Good effort -- but still not good enough to take out the best teams in the business yet. A W's still a W, though.

You know this how?

Yawn.

[Harpo]

Maybe, some of you can enlighten me about one thing about this years Steeler uniform, whats up with the gold helmet's? Is it related to the teams anniversary?

The uniforms with the gold helmets were used by the Steelers back in the early 60's. Originally, the helmets were plain. However, the steel industry asked the Steelers about putting the steel industry logo on their helmets. The team said yes -- but the Steelers equipment manager didn't know if they would look right -- so he only put the new logos on one side of the helmet -- which is why the Steelers helmets have the one sided look they do today.

Here's the whole story: http://www.steelersfever.com/helmet_logo.html

[Cal Goat]

I agree with your assessment there Harpo. It just seemed like the offense didn't get enough field time in the first quarter to establish a rhythm or to get any momentum going. But you could see in the second half that they got it going and everything seemed pretty good for them on both sides of the ball.

By the way, you gotta love the way Ben was shaking off those near-sacks. It's like he just bends one way and the tackler rolls off of him and he just moves away. Very cool.

[Cal Goat]

I'd also like to extend a big thanks to the Seahawks and Raiders this week. Thanks!:thumbs:

[Palmer]

Arizona next week!! Can't freaking WAIT for this game.

Sidebar on Ben vs. Leinart:

Bill Simmons: Roethlisberger, Leinart Don't Like Each Other

http://www.aolcdn.com/fanhouse/jj-cooper/ (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/bloggers/jj-cooper/)Posted Jul 16th 2007 11:06PM by JJ Cooper (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/bloggers/jj-cooper/)
Filed under: AZ Cardinals (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/arizona-cardinals/), Steelers (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/pittsburg h-steelers/), AFC North (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/afc-north/), NFL Gossip (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/nfl-gossip/)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanho use/media/2007/07/ben-roethlisberger-leinart.jpgThe ESPN.com's Sports Guy Bill Simmons doesn't talk a whole lot of sports in his new podcast with ABC's Jimmy Kimmel, but hey did drop an interesting tidbit early on in his latest podcast (http://espn.com/). When arranging the seating chart for the made-for-TV artificial awards show known as the ESPYs, there were certain allowances that had to be made to make sure that some rivals werent seated together (think of it as a much wimpier version of the Source Awards rap feuds).

Simmons made it clear that he wasn't supposed to be airing this part of ESPN's dirty laundry, so instead of explaining the seating chart himself he goaded Kimmel into explaining who hates who. In addition to keeping Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova apart, Kimmel, the host of the ESPYs, said Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Leinart had to be kept on separate sides of the Kodak Theatre.

It's hard to figure out where a Roethlisberger-Leinart feud would have begun. Roethlisberger was in the league a year before Leinart arrived, the Steelers and Cardinals haven't played since Leinart joined the league (except for a meaningless preseason game last year) and they were on opposite ends of the country in college. If you're grasping for straws Leinart did dump agent Leigh Steinberg (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/200 6-04-12-leinart-steinberg_x.htm)--who also represents Roethlisberger.

So take it for what it's worth, but when the Steelers face the Cardinals this season it may be a grudge match for Leinart and Roethlisberger, and not only because the Steelers former offensive coordinator is now wearing the headset in Arizona

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/07/16/bill-simmons-roethlisberger-leinart-dont-like-each-other/

[Harpo]

I'd also like to extend a big thanks to the Seahawks and Raiders this week. Thanks!:thumbs:

No kidding. Just wish Arizona was able to get around Baltimore, too. Two out of three ain't bad, though.

Arizona next week!! Can't freaking WAIT for this game.[/URL]

Absolutely. I had no problem with Whisenhunt and Grimm going. The Steelers offense and offensive lines were terrible last year -- so I didn't see any reason why either one of those guys should have been promoted. If the Steelers lose, then all the knuckleheads will be moaning that Tomlin wasn't the right choice.

Then again, Arizona's offensive line is horrible this year (no surprise there). And Leinart got yanked for Warner because he was ineffective. Can you imagine Kurt Warner playing against the Steeler D? That would be interesting because he can't scramble anymore.

[05GoatBoy]

Someone say Steelers Fans: Steelers Nation (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids .individual&videoid=1527321414)

[Cal Goat]

Interesting article Palmer. I think Lienart's Hollywood-hobbnobbing is kind of douche-ish, but so is a pro-quarterback riding a motorcycle without a helmet.

One thing I'll always respect about Lienart is his staying on that extra year at college - even though it was allegedly due to some injury that would have made him perform poorly at the combine.

One thing's for sure the Cardinals are going to be HUNGRY next week! But I think we can manage.

[Cal Goat]

Someone say Steelers Fans: Steelers Nation (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids .individual&videoid=1527321414)

ok...... I gotta a little choked up watching that..... beautiful....

[Palmer]

Still Climbing!

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[Palmer]

Huh, Steelers have scored more points that Indy so far this year. Who would have thought that would ever happen.

And the opposing teams averaging SINGLE DIGITS in scoring after 3 games is awesome. Yeah, keep telling me about Baltimore's defense..... :gr_jest:

[Palmer]

Interesting article Palmer. I think Lienart's Hollywood-hobbnobbing is kind of douche-ish, but so is a pro-quarterback riding a motorcycle without a helmet.


The local radio guys here were talking about it after the game yesterday in prep for this week. They would not mention the name, but it's over a famous sports chick. I know he (Ben) was dating Natalie Gulbis for a while and that might be it. Or could be someone else.

Either way, they've all been talking that this is the only game that he KNEW when it was. I've never heard or seen him want to beat a team, so this should be interesting to see.

[Harpo]

Hines Ward is out for the Arizona game. Sprained knee.

[Cal Goat]

Hines Ward is out for the Arizona game. Sprained knee.

He didn't look 100% against SF. But the tight ends seem to be carrying most of the passing game load anyway.

[Palmer]

Yeah, Santonio has been making some key catches too. I wish they would get some production from Willie Parker catching the ball. Don't be shocked if they go with that this week to throw Wiz off.....

[Harpo]

I wish they would get some production from Willie Parker catching the ball.

Great idea. Use Fast Willie for all purpose yardage. That'd be awesome. Stuff like screen passes would be great. Spreads the D, too, so he could take off.

[05GoatBoy]

Hope Hines can get in there just so they have to put someone on him and keep Santonio
free'd up a little. If not, the parker express needs some screens as you mentioned.

[Palmer]

They said that there are a TON of screens built into the offense already but to be honest, I don't remember one this year producing any major yards. Every one of them (i think) has been shut down quickly.

I would just like to see cleared out sides with swing passes to him and let him run. Going 4 receiver set and have them run fly's / posts with Willie coming around the end. Something like that would put a linebacker on him that I'm pretty damned sure he could outrun.

[Harpo]

I'd like to see them save some schemes for later in the year plus the playoffs. It'd be fun to completely surprise the Patriots -- something we weren't able to do that much under Cowher.

[Harpo]

I dunno, guys, but I've got a baaad feeling about this game. It just feels like one of those games where Warner's going to come in and hit a bunch of miracle passes and get the fluke win.

Key to this game, for me at least, is how Arizona's Boldin and Fitzgerald do against our defensive outs. Hopefully, we'll be able to run the ball on their middle of the pack defense and keep those guys off the field.

We'll see. I'd like to throw out a prediction for a final score -- but I honestly don't have a clue.

[Cal Goat]

I dunno, guys, but I've got a baaad feeling about this game. It just feels like one of those games where Warner's going to come in and hit a bunch of miracle passes and get the fluke win.

Key to this game, for me at least, is how Arizona's Boldin and Fitzgerald do against our defensive outs. Hopefully, we'll be able to run the ball on their middle of the pack defense and keep those guys off the field.

We'll see. I'd like to throw out a prediction for a final score -- but I honestly don't have a clue.

I get the same feeling. The Cardinals are obviously hungry (dare I say desperate for a win) and I have terrible memories from that Oakland game last year. But I think if they can maintain the composure they've demonstrated in these first 3 games, we'll be ok.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Looks like Boldin won't be playing this week. he hurt his hip stepping of the curb carrying groceries.

[Harpo]

Looks like Boldin won't be playing this week. he hurt his hip stepping of the curb carrying groceries.

Just heard that. And AZ's best OT will be out, too. Anybody hear Big Ben's comment about him not being surprised that Leinart is struggling under Whisenhunt? Tomlin talked to him about that...

[Palmer]

Just heard that. And AZ's best OT will be out, too. Anybody hear Big Ben's comment about him not being surprised that Leinart is struggling under Whisenhunt? Tomlin talked to him about that...

BWAHAHA! I didn't hear that but I'm not surprised. And I'm glad Tomlin is trying to reel him in a little bit.

I'm not that concerned with Warner (watch this come bite me later) but I really think that he cannot move anymore. And you've seen what this D does to someone who stands there like a tree.

Edgrinn James is the last rusher to gain 100 yds on teh Steelers in 57 games. He's the concern, even though he's old. If he starts going, then I'll be nervous. If he's at 30 yds for the 1st half, they'll be fine.

[Cal Goat]

Why?
Why does this always happen?
Why does Parker have less than 40 yards in the 4th?
Why is Kurt Warner (former MVP, but still the backup) moving the ball like he is?
WHY?:cry:

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Ouch. Did Warner play the whole game?

[Cal Goat]

Ouch. Did Warner play the whole game?

No Leinart got pulled in the first half.

[BrokenGoat]

Horrible! This was supposed to be an easy win.

[SK360]

steelers looked fantastic </sarcasm>

[Fast GTO]

Penalties.....taking sacks for big loses....

That is why we lost.

Oh and not converting on 1st and goal after a fumble.

It was a tough game, but we fell apart mentally.

[Harpo]

D played OK -- although I hope Troy isn't hurt too bad. Special teams gives up a punt return? Unacceptable. The penalties were bad, too. But the offensive line play was HORRIBLE. Parker didn't get squat -- and the pass rush was around Ben so much that he was always hurried and under pressure.

Looking at the bright side, I hope this is a wake up call to the team. A lot of people were calling them one of the NFL's elite teams -- even though they didn't play anybody yet. They're still good -- but not good enough where they can't afford not to play their best on any Sunday.

Looking at the dark side, it looks like the Steelers offense can be short circuited when teams load up the box to contain Parker. Ben simply couldn't exploit the opportunities given to him. And, man o man, those missed passes and interceptions. He better step it up and fast.

And, Captain Steve, there were around 20 Steelers fans at Jack's Bar in the Fremont Hub today watching the game. FYI.

[Cal Goat]

And, Captain Steve, there were around 20 Steelers fans at Jack's Bar in the Fremont Hub today watching the game. FYI.

I thought about PMing you to see if you were going. How about next week?

And if we park goats next to each other: Steelers colors!

[Harpo]

I thought about PMing you to see if you were going. How about next week?

Let's swap PMs later in the week. I hope Jack's serves breakfast -- because pounding beers at 10AM, while cool in theory, is pretty abusive.

[Cal Goat]

Let's swap PMs later in the week. I hope Jack's serves breakfast -- because pounding beers at 10AM, while cool in theory, is pretty abusive.

Sounds good. Yeah, I'm almost 27 now and I've pretty much lost all desire to drink before noon.

[Fast GTO]

As much as we all wanted to go 4-0 I hope this is a wake up call for the team and we play better because of it.

Now Tomlin knows what it is like to lose.

[2XS]

Tell me it's a dream.....you guys lost to the Browns? Dammit, Browns must lose all their games, Da Boyz get their draft pick next year.

[Harpo]

Tell me it's a dream.....you guys lost to the Browns? Dammit, Browns must lose all their games, Da Boyz get their draft pick next year.

Cowboys fans. Sigh. Almost as bad as Patriots fans.

[Cal Goat]

Tell me it's a dream.....you guys lost to the Browns? Dammit, Browns must lose all their games, Da Boyz get their draft pick next year.

Uh... what?

[2XS]

Cowboys fans. Sigh. Almost as bad as Patriots fans.

Wanted a rematch of the glorious 70s Super Bowls....but looks like the Steelers weren't up to the task.

[Veritasatis]

Tell me it's a dream.....you guys lost to the Browns? Dammit, Browns must lose all their games, Da Boyz get their draft pick next year.

:nuts:

[Harpo]

Wanted a rematch of the glorious 70s Super Bowls....but looks like the Steelers weren't up to the task.

Friendly Tip #1: We didn't play the Browns yesterday.

Friendly Tip #2: Super Bowl matchups are not determined after Week Four of the regular season.

Friendly Tip #3: Don't post in this thread anymore because all you'll do is make yourself look like an even bigger idiot.

[2XS]

Friendly Tip #1: We didn't play the Browns yesterday.

Friendly Tip #2: Super Bowl matchups are not determined after Week Four of the regular season.

Friendly Tip #3: Don't post in this thread anymore because all you'll do is make yourself look like an even bigger idiot.

#1 My apologies, I was confused and thought I was in the Ravens thread, you guys lost to the Cards.

#2 If you guys can't beat the Cards, maybe I'd hold off on post season plans, EVEN if it's week 4.

#3 Can't look like a bigger idiot, I'm a Cowboys fans. :gr_jest:

[elpuerco]

Damn Burgh... I picked them in my suicide league yeserday... dammit.

[Cal Goat]

Ok guys, I'm scared. Really. Seattle has looked pretty solid, and you know they're probably salivating for some Superbowl XL revenge. I really hope we're not still stunned from that Cardinals loss. We need to focus and get the swagger back!

[Veritasatis]

Ok guys, I'm scared. Really. Seattle has looked pretty solid, and you know they're probably salivating for some Superbowl XL revenge. I really hope we're not still stunned from that Cardinals loss. We need to focus and get the swagger back!

I wouldn't worry too much, the Cardinals bet Seattle earlier this year too.

[Harpo]

Ok guys, I'm scared. Really. Seattle has looked pretty solid, and you know they're probably salivating for some Superbowl XL revenge. I really hope we're not still stunned from that Cardinals loss. We need to focus and get the swagger back!

My only concern is from an injury standpoint. Casey Hampton's hammy, Hines Ward's leg, etc.

Seattle doesn't have much defense and Shaun Alexander seems like he's running in place anymore. Their passing game is pretty good, though -- although the Steelers outs should contain it.

Key to this game is the Steelers getting their offense back on track. If they stink like last week -- we're in for another close loss. If the offensive line can get Willie Parker going and Ben avoids making really bad throws, they should be fine.

[Necrocannibal]

Cowboys fans. Sigh. Almost as bad as Patriots fans.

This statement makes you look like a moron.

[Palmer]

This statement makes you look like a moron.

Not really. Any fan of any Boston team usual pride themselves on being assholes. Hell, so much that they call themselves Massholes.....

And Cowboy fans just suck in general. This is not even a fact, it's a more like Law. :gr_jest:

[Harpo]

This statement makes you look like a moron.

Well, that still puts me several levels above you.

[Necrocannibal]

And the last two comments make both of you even larger morons than before. Might want to step off of that high horse you are on, its a long fall down and it hurts.

[2XS]

And the last two comments make both of you even larger morons than before. Might want to step off of that high horse you are on, its a long fall down and it hurts.

Don't take them too personal, they're Steelers fans, Seattle will quiet them down for us. hehe

And if yer gonna bust ballz, you gotta be ready to take some back, it's a man's game son.

[Palmer]

And the last two comments make both of you even larger morons than before. Might want to step off of that high horse you are on, its a long fall down and it hurts.

Oh, I thought you were just kidding around. If you are actually just going into other threads and picking fights, maybe you should get another hobby or something.

As for Seattle, it probably will be close. I'm just glad we get the bye week after it. Too many injuries to too many key players right now.

[Harpo]

And the last two comments make both of you even larger morons than before. Might want to step off of that high horse you are on, its a long fall down and it hurts.

Look, champ, none of the regulars from the Steelers thread are going into the Cowboys or Patriots threads and calling people morons.

You wonder why people don't like Cowboys and Patriots fans -- just look at how you're behaving.

[Palmer]

Meh, let him go. No reason junking up the thread. I don't mind a little smack talk, but he was just looking for a fight.

Don't give him the satisfaction.....

[Harpo]

Meh, let him go. No reason junking up the thread. I don't mind a little smack talk, but he was just looking for a fight.

Don't give him the satisfaction.....

Got it. Remember how you were asking about how the GTO goes through the corkscrew at Laguna Seca? My Dad took this shot during a fan lap I was driving before the ALMS race a couple of years ago. At speed, this is pretty much where you begin to feel weightless for a second. Have a good one! Go Steelers!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/pigofpigs/92 df3b3f-1.jpg

[bluehen21]

The uniforms with the gold helmets were used by the Steelers back in the early 60's. Originally, the helmets were plain. However, the steel industry asked the Steelers about putting the steel industry logo on their helmets. The team said yes -- but the Steelers equipment manager didn't know if they would look right -- so he only put the new logos on one side of the helmet -- which is why the Steelers helmets have the one sided look they do today.

Here's the whole story: http://www.steelersfever.com/helmet_logo.html

Actually, they ran out of the logos and did not have enough for one on each side of all the helmets, so they decided to just use one.

That's the way I was told why the Steelers only have the steel logo on one side of their helmets....?????

[Palmer]

Got it. Remember how you were asking about how the GTO goes through the corkscrew at Laguna Seca? My Dad took this shot during a fan lap I was driving before the ALMS race a couple of years ago. At speed, this is pretty much where you begin to feel weightless for a second. Have a good one! Go Steelers!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/pigofpigs/92 df3b3f-1.jpg

drool.jpg :judge:

[Necrocannibal]

Nah not looking for a fight guys. If I was Id be all over this thread all day and night but I just check it once or twice a day. I dont remember though telling anyone who I was a fan of so I dont see how I got labeled liking anyone.

As for the Steelers they looked pretty tough for the first three games but then looked like mediocre squad in that Arizona game. Of course its only the fourth game of the season.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Got it. Remember how you were asking about how the GTO goes through the corkscrew at Laguna Seca? My Dad took this shot during a fan lap I was driving before the ALMS race a couple of years ago. At speed, this is pretty much where you begin to feel weightless for a second. Have a good one! Go Steelers!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/pigofpigs/92 df3b3f-1.jpg

Harpo, that looks epic.

What kind of speed were you carrying there?

[Harpo]

Harpo, that looks epic.

What kind of speed were you carrying there?

Since it was a fan lap -- this was pretty slow -- only around 25 or so. If you get on the track during an SCCA weekend with open laps you can hit it faster than that.

If you enlarge the photo and look at the rubber on the track -- you'll see it's grainy and not sticking. That's because there is always fine sand on the track surface -- so the rubber doesn't stick, meaning very little grip.

[Palmer]

So what do we think?

Too many injuries for me to like it. I think it's going to be close or teh Steelers are going to get blown out. :(

[Fast GTO]

21-0

We continue to have the best PF/PA in the league.

[Cal Goat]

I think we got the swagger back.

[axles of evil]

they dont televise the games here in the philly area... sons of bitches.

[Cal Goat]

they dont televise the games here in the philly area... sons of bitches.

It wasn't very gripping. Pretty slow moving. But still gives me that warm feeling when we win.

[BrokenGoat]

DTV :ftw:

[Harpo]

A good effort. Not good enough to beat the best in the league like the Patriots, though.

OFFENSE: A tale of two halves. First half they came out slow. Couldn't get Parker going. Didn't care for the play calling that much. Kept staying with the run even though it wasn't working. Second half. Loved it. Used the pass to set up the run. That opening drive took ten minutes off the clock -- and they got 7. Awesome.

DEFENSE: The secondary all should get game balls. They had Hasselbeck losing his cool as early as the first quarter. Not enough pressure on the quarterback early, but that came later. Alexander didn't go anywhere. I did not like, however, how they let Seattle drive the ball at the end of the first half. They relaxed after the offense got a touchdown -- and they're not good enough to pull stunts like that. Hopefully, Tomlin and LeBeau will call them on that.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Rossum is trying to make plays -- but what in the hell was he doing running around the ball as Seattle was trying to down it on their 2? He also put it on the ground. The guy definitely needs to be spoken to -- because he took some very bad risks that could have swung the momentum of this game. Also didn't like that big kick run back they gave up after the 2nd touchdown.

OVERALL: Good effort. Offense needs to be ready to go in the first quarter, not late in the second. Defense got a little sloppy at the end of the first half -- but redeemed themselves with a timely pick. Special teams needs to protect against the big plays -- and Rossum has to cool it.

COACHING: If the run game isn't there, then start passing earlier on. No need to make those kinds of adjustments until the second half. Absolutely loved the play calling in the second half, though. Want to see that from the opening series.

Great game. We need second half play like that for 4 full quarters, though. What was really impressive is that this was without Ward, Holmes, Hampton, and Polamalu. Very impressive rebound after blowing a game they should have won last week.

[Palmer]

A good effort. Not good enough to beat the best in the league like the Patriots, though.

OFFENSE: A tale of two halves. First half they came out slow. Couldn't get Parker going. Didn't care for the play calling that much. Kept staying with the run even though it wasn't working. Second half. Loved it. Used the pass to set up the run. That opening drive took ten minutes off the clock -- and they got 7. Awesome.

DEFENSE: The secondary all should get game balls. They had Hasselbeck losing his cool as early as the first quarter. Not enough pressure on the quarterback early, but that came later. Alexander didn't go anywhere. I did not like, however, how they let Seattle drive the ball at the end of the first half. They relaxed after the offense got a touchdown -- and they're not good enough to pull stunts like that. Hopefully, Tomlin and LeBeau will call them on that.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Rossum is trying to make plays -- but what in the hell was he doing running around the ball as Seattle was trying to down it on their 2? He also put it on the ground. The guy definitely needs to be spoken to -- because he took some very bad risks that could have swung the momentum of this game. Also didn't like that big kick run back they gave up after the 2nd touchdown.

OVERALL: Good effort. Offense needs to be ready to go in the first quarter, not late in the second. Defense got a little sloppy at the end of the first half -- but redeemed themselves with a timely pick. Special teams needs to protect against the big plays -- and Rossum has to cool it.

COACHING: If the run game isn't there, then start passing earlier on. No need to make those kinds of adjustments until the second half. Absolutely loved the play calling in the second half, though. Want to see that from the opening series.

Great game. We need second half play like that for 4 full quarters, though. What was really impressive is that this was without Ward, Holmes, Hampton, and Polamalu. Very impressive rebound after blowing a game they should have won last week.

Great write up man :thumbs:

I truly think that LeBeau planned to go at this game in a two-fold manner. Remember how confused Hasselback looked for the first half. The first two or three series, even the commentators were talking about it. Pittsburgh wasn't blitzing at all. Rushing 3 - 4 at the most and laying back in coverage. It looked like he was expecting the blitz and was going to go to that 'zone' when it came from.

Then in the second half, when he tried to adjust to that, they blitzed the hell out of him.

My guess is (and this is pure speculation) this came from Tomlin and the offense did the same thing. Because as you said, it really was a tale of two-halves....

[elpuerco]

I've noticed an interesting trend... most of you guys in this thread have either a YJ or a PBM goat. Coincidence? I think not.


Jut sayin' is all...

[Palmer]

I've noticed an interesting trend... most of you guys in this thread have either a YJ or a PBM goat. Coincidence? I think not.


Jut sayin' is all...

:thumbs:

What, you aren't driving an IBM with Red Interior??

[Palmer]

Oh, and it was GREAT to see Chuck Noll out on the field! Sure would be awesome to see him, Cowher and Tomlin all together just once.

[elpuerco]

:thumbs:

What, you aren't driving an IBM with Red Interior??

lolzz.. close.. QSM/Red

:thumbs:

[Harpo]

I truly think that LeBeau planned to go at this game in a two-fold manner. Remember how confused Hasselback looked for the first half. The first two or three series, even the commentators were talking about it. Pittsburgh wasn't blitzing at all.

Good point. I picked up on that, too. I think they were able to do that because Seattle simply has no running game at all. Alexander might as well have been running on a treadmill. Great strategy.

I've noticed an interesting trend... most of you guys in this thread have either a YJ or a PBM goat. Coincidence? I think not.

Well, Pontiac might call it Yellow Jacket over black leather. To me, it's Steelers black and gold! Bought a 1994 Mustang GT because it had the same set up. Crazy to be sure, but it could be worse, I guess. Just picture Green Bay Packers green and yellow on a car.

Man, do the Patriots look tough. Statistically, they're near the top in every major category on offense and defense. Rushing, passing, the works. Looks like the only way they'll lose this year is if they get e coli from their hamburgers.

Anybody know who does the catering at Foxboro?

[SK360]

funny, i wanted YJ and ended up with PBM :)

[PeleProdigyGTO]

I bet you guys are frothing at the mouth to play the Broncos next week huh?

And I'm loving the Pitt guys having Black and yellow goats, lol. You guys should do a poll somehow of PA owners, and if they own Black or Yellow as one option or any other color as the other option.

[SK360]

we already have a pgh owners list, let me go look there and see what our ratio is, we dont have many yellow's tho... palmer is the only one in the city that i know of

[SK360]

PGH
CGM - 4
SRM - 2
PBM - 10
IBM - 4
BOM - 4
TR - 1
YJ - 2
CPM - 1

from our pittsburgh list... may have missed a few.. not too skewed right? :)

[SK360]

BBM - 0

QSM - 0

[SK360]

PBM - 9
PDM - 1

(phantom dirt metallic)

Nice People - 27
Assholes - 1

(Jay)
:gr_jest:

[Harpo]

I bet you guys are frothing at the mouth to play the Broncos next week huh?

The game's in two weeks at Invesco. 815PM kickoff -- so it's NBC's Sunday Night game.

While it's tempting to be overly confident after yesterday -- the team can't get too far ahead of itself. However, Denver's run defense is really, really bad and Cutler seems to be struggling right now.

That said, you can never look past a Mike Shanahan coached team -- as he got us in the playoffs a few years ago when the Steelers were heavily favored to win.

The bye week is coming at the perfect time, though.

[Palmer]

The game's in two weeks at Invesco. 815PM kickoff -- so it's NBC's Sunday Night game.

While it's tempting to be overly confident after yesterday -- the team can't get too far ahead of itself. However, Denver's run defense is really, really bad and Cutler seems to be struggling right now.

That said, you can never look past a Mike Shanahan coached team -- as he got us in the playoffs a few years ago when the Steelers were heavily favored to win.

The bye week is coming at the perfect time, though.

It's another rematch of that Superbowl XL run. Remember they had to go through Denver to get to Detroit! They are going to be gunning HARD to beat the Steelers.

[Palmer]

I'll take that! As of week 5:

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[05GoatBoy]

As much as we all wanted to go 4-0 I hope this is a wake up call for the team and we play better because of it.

Now Tomlin knows what it is like to lose.

My feelings as well. Seems it helped against Seattle, then again, were they
really any good? They proved they should have lost the Super Bowl. lol

The bye-week came at the perfect time as someone already said. Hope everyone
gets healty and stays that way until we play the Pats...that will be the test.
Good thing we have time to get better until then, don't worry if we lose some
before then, it's good for the soul.


I know the Browns game is a way off but i love this

Zdy91ZAhL2o


That's for the CryBoys fan that thought we played the Browns....they are all
just jealous we can win FOUR Superbowls with ONE TEAM.

And Dall-ass didn't win Super Bowl XXX, O'Donnell lost it. :(

[Harpo]

Somehow managed to make it through the bye week. Let's play some ball, dammit.

[BrokenGoat]

Pittsburgh Bronco looks like a good game! :)

[Palmer]

I think it's going to be very close. What are Denver's strengths? Running, passing, D? I thought the new kid Cutler was having an off year?

[Harpo]

I think it's going to be very close. What are Denver's strengths? Running, passing, D? I thought the new kid Cutler was having an off year?

On offense, Cutler's having a terrible year while their running game is nothing special. On D, they're one of the worst in the NFL against the run. Rare off year for the Broncos. Only way the Steelers lose this one is if they don't prepare and play a sloppy game with turnovers on O and blown coverages on D.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

On offense, Cutler's having a terrible year while their running game is nothing special. On D, they're one of the worst in the NFL against the run. Rare off year for the Broncos. Only way the Steelers lose this one is if they don't prepare and play a sloppy game with turnovers on O and blown coverages on D.

While the Broncos are my team, I have to agree. Cutler looks extremely indecisive at all times, he's still young, but I'm starting to worry. I think our biggest problem right now is a lack of inspiration and heart, we just seem to fold for no good reason.

I hate to say it since he's been great for so long, but when you can't motivate your guys, something needs to change. I think it might be time for Shanahan to move on.

That said, Parker should have a hay-day on our run D. Our secondary is awesome though, I think we're still #1 in the NFL, not sure, but mostly that's because people run all over us instead of trying our corners. Javon Walker being out has been a problem, we have a new scheme on D. Yikes.

Welp, how's that for faith in your team?

[Harpo]

I think it might be time for Shanahan to move on.

Good to have a intelligent conversation with someone about sports for once. As you could tell, I was only trying to be objective.

Regarding Shanahan, I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet. He's got a few guaranteed years left on his contract -- and is still one of the best in the business. That said, I do believe the Broncos need to look at their personnel a little bit.

Historically, from what I recall, their offensive and defensive lines have been smaller, lighter and more athletic than their competitors. That, and the constant changes at running back, might have caught up with them.

I wouldn't sweat this, though. They're still a good team. A little bruised and bloody right now, but still capable of being turned around.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Same here. :)

I also tend to forget that we've had big problems on our O-line all year, with injuries I mean, which is hard for any team to overcome. We've lost Nalen and Hamilton for the year, both starters.

I'm glad the game is on Sunday night, that means I can actually watch it down here in TX! Hey, is Polumalu playing right now? I haven't seen the Steelers yet this season, wasn't he injured?

Also, I agree that Shanahan is/was/will be a great coach, my concern though is that the guys don't seem motivated or pumped up. When that happens, a change of scenery is usually the answer. I'm probably just jumping the gun though.

[Harpo]

Hey, is Polumalu playing right now? I haven't seen the Steelers yet this season, wasn't he injured?

Casey Hampton and Troy Polumalu were out on D and Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes were out on O against Seattle a couple of weekends ago. James Harrison played, although he's very banged up -- so the bye couldn't have come at a better time. Have no idea what their status will be this weekend.

Glad it's a national game on this end, too. Instead of seeing the Dallas New England game on Sunday. We watched the awful Oakland San Diego one. Blah.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

That is horrendous, I thought the D - NE game was on all over the country. Friggin networks!!

Also, I hope Troy and Ward and Holmes are all out next week, but I wish them a healthy and triumphant return the week after they play the Broncos. :)

[Harpo]

Looks like Ward, Holmes and Polamalu are good to go Sunday night. Hampton's still banged up. McFadden is out. Haven't heard anything on Harrison, though. Hope he's OK with that scary neck problem.

[05GoatBoy]

Having withdrawls over here...............

[Cal Goat]

I can see I'm going to have a few more gray hairs before this one is over...

[elpuerco]

I can see I'm going to have a few more gray hairs before this one is over...

no kidding. I have no vested interest in either team, but this is a good game!

[Cal Goat]

:cursin:

[Harpo]

Well, true Super Bowl contenders do not come off a bye week and blow a conference game by not showing up. The offense was extremely sloppy with extremely poor line play -- and the defense was just as bad as they couldn't stop Denver on third down and couldn't make plays with the game on the line.

The Steelers will win their shit division then get bounced in the playoffs when they come up against Indianapolis or New England. You want to give the Steelers a bad time -- just put 8 guys in the box. That, and an offense that consistently doesn't bother to show up until the second half should do it.

Hey, PeleProdigyGTO -- don't know what Shanny fed your boys tonight -- but every single member of that team was totally fired up. Kudos as they played to the best of their ability. A well deserved win!

[05GoatBoy]

Crap !!! http://www.rose-tech.com/pubstuff/y_bash_pc.gif

[The Black Phantom]

Well, true Super Bowl contenders do not come off a bye week and blow a conference game by not showing up. The offense was extremely sloppy with extremely poor line play -- and the defense was just as bad as they couldn't stop Denver on third down and couldn't make plays with the game on the line.

The Steelers will win their shit division then get bounced in the playoffs when they come up against Indianapolis or New England. You want to give the Steelers a bad time -- just put 8 guys in the box. That, and an offense that consistently doesn't bother to show up until the second half should do it.

Hey, PeleProdigyGTO -- don't know what Shanny fed your boys tonight -- but every single member of that team was totally fired up. Kudos as they played to the best of their ability. A well deserved win!

The dumbest move the Steelers have made in recent years was releasing or trading Plaxico Burress and Antwaan Randle El, they could have used those three receivers tonight to force Denver to not put eight in the box. The Steelers receivers don't scare anyone deep anymore.

[Harpo]

The dumbest move the Steelers have made in recent years was releasing or trading Plaxico Burress and Antwaan Randle El, they could have used those three receivers tonight to force Denver to not put eight in the box. The Steelers receivers don't scare anyone deep anymore.

Great point. Randle El got stupid money from the Foreskins so there was nothing the Steelers could do about that -- but Plax bailed simply because he was tired of running routes when the Steelers were running the ball 90% of the time. Santonio Holmes is supposed to be the Steelers big playmaker/offensive threat -- but where was he tonight?

[Cal Goat]

Great point. Randle El got stupid money from the Foreskins so there was nothing the Steelers could do about that -- but Plax bailed simply because he was tired of running routes when the Steelers were running the ball 90% of the time. Santonio Holmes is supposed to be the Steelers big playmaker/offensive threat -- but where was he tonight?

I thought Holmes did fine. There were a couple of plays where he was out of position (or underthrown). He's still young but he seems to be adjusting well. I was a bit more disappointed with Ward. I do miss Randel El, but Plax never really impressed me.

[05GoatBoy]

I was more disappointed with Ben, or maybe the plays he was getting.

there needed to be more quick throws. A slant across the middle maybe?

If the plays were called and they were covered then he should have a least thrown it into the ground sooner!

Too many long passes tossed up for grabs into 20 mph winds imho. wtf?

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Well, true Super Bowl contenders do not come off a bye week and blow a conference game by not showing up. The offense was extremely sloppy with extremely poor line play -- and the defense was just as bad as they couldn't stop Denver on third down and couldn't make plays with the game on the line.

The Steelers will win their shit division then get bounced in the playoffs when they come up against Indianapolis or New England. You want to give the Steelers a bad time -- just put 8 guys in the box. That, and an offense that consistently doesn't bother to show up until the second half should do it.

Hey, PeleProdigyGTO -- don't know what Shanny fed your boys tonight -- but every single member of that team was totally fired up. Kudos as they played to the best of their ability. A well deserved win!


Thanks! We definitely needed that one. I just about had a coronary when they tied it up at 28 though.

I guess Shanahan shut me up huh? That's the first time I've liked the Broncos' defensive scheming in a long time. Those young boys on the line actually made a difference. That said, your guys still look good to me, don't get too mad at them!

Also, Big Ben is amazingly difficult to sack or bring down, I knew he was big, but I didn't know he was that beastly. Parker is real impressive too.

Who do you have next week?

[Harpo]

Who do you have next week?


We got the Bengals next week in 'Nati. Big Ben got sacked 3 or 4 times -- and shook off at least that many. Who knows, maybe our offensive line decided they needed another bye week -- because they were AWOL last night. Same for the defensive line and linebackers as we didn't have squat for a pass rush.

I'm not mad -- it's just that I'd like to see these guys be serious Super Bowl contenders. Under Cowher, they'd have certain years, like in the mid-90's, where'd they play great some games, then not show up for certain games -- get into the playoffs, get a big playoff game at home -- then lose exactly how they lost last night.

Oh, well. I'm just a fan. Nothing much I can do.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Oh, well. I'm just a fan. Nothing much I can do.

Ain't that the truth. You should be allright with Cinci next week.

Also, I think the Broncos played their best game of the year last night, and the Steelers their worst, and we barely pulled off that win.

[Fast GTO]

Inconsistency continues to plague the team.

Only excuse for going 15-1 and losing in the playoffs, having a average season and winning the superbowl on the road, then not making the playoffs the next year.

And this year we look like beasts at home but can't win on the road.

All about consistency and we don't have it. I'm willing to chalk it up to Tomlin learning what needs to be changed in order to make us a more consistent football team emotionally.

Steelers have always been good, they just don't always have their head in the game.

[Harpo]

Inconsistency continues to plague the team.

On that note, I'm glad the good Steelers decided to show up in Cinci this week. Didn't see any of the game as I'm sick as a dog with some kind of stomach thing. Will look at the gamebook later.

[Fast GTO]

It was a well played game. Everything clicked.

Ran well, threw well, and had a good D effort, but gave up too many yards.

[Palmer]

On that note, I'm glad the good Steelers decided to show up in Cinci this week. Didn't see any of the game as I'm sick as a dog with some kind of stomach thing. Will look at the gamebook later.

It was a well played game. Everything clicked.

Ran well, threw well, and had a good D effort, but gave up too many yards.

It was a good game. From the looks of it, Tomlin is going to go for broke when it is a Division rival. That's good to see. Cowher knew that was where you made you money, too. I love to see him passing in the fourth quarter instead of the 22 straight runs. He was playing for first downs and points if hee needed them.

As for giving up a lot of yards, Cinci does have a helluva offense when they want to move the ball. They definitely have enough plays to make a few drives down the field. But they got clobbered in the red zone. So I'm not too concerned with it.

[Harpo]

Looked the gamebook over. While, of course, it's not the same as seeing the game itself, you can get an idea of what happened. Check out the Steelers coverage at NFL.com. There's a link called gamebook. Click on it and download it. You'll see all the game stats plus a play by play recreation of the game. Great stuff.

On the offensive side of the ball, looks like there was a real nice balance between the pass and the run -- which is cool. Too bad Ben spoiled a great day with a pick deep in Bengals territory. Anderson, as QB coach, really has him playing well. And how about Heath Miller? What a weapon, huh? The only thing I couldn't tell is if Ben was hurried or under pressure the entire time. Based on the O line's past performance, I pretty sure there were people around him all the time.

Wish the D was as good. I think the Bengals only had to punt once or twice the whole game -- and I only remember seeing them generate one three and out -- and zero sacks. Come on, they really need to do better than that. I just keep thinking what Brady or Manning do when they aren't rushed and banged around. Who knows, maybe Smith being out today had something to do with that.

Overall, TOP was pretty close. Heck, this whole game was fairly close except in one area -- points. The difference? Steelers 3 for 3 in the Red Zone. Bengals 1 for 3. Good to see them only get something like 2 or 3 penalties, too.

Bottom line? It's good because it's a division win on the road -- but still not good enough to beat the Patriots or Colts.

[Cal Goat]

I saw the highlights on NFL.com and from there it looked like Ben was under decent pressure but still kind of doing his thing and evading sacks for the most part. As I recall he threw that pick under pretty heavy pressure.

As far as the D, they did give up some yards and 3rd down conversions, but at least they forced the Bengals to settle for 3 points most of the time. That's gotta be worth something.

Hopefully we can improve upon this performance against the Ravens this week.

[Palmer]

Does anyone know where a Steeler bar is in Washington DC? I may be down there on Monday night and would like to get out to see the game.

[05GoatBoy]

Does anyone know where a Steeler bar is in Washington DC? I may be down there on Monday night and would like to get out to see the game.

http://groups.myspace.com/DCSteelerNation

[SRT-8]

HUGE Steeler fan here, great to see so many goat owners are Steeler fans!

[Harpo]

Steelers' 75th anniversary celebration is tonight. Brace yourself as they'll be wearing the throwback uniforms again...

[Fast GTO]

Any predictions, playing the Ravens is always a good event.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

I predict the Ravens are terrible on O, and only decent on D.

Steelers - 24
Ravens - 10

[Harpo]

I'm predicting a Steelers win -- but, who knows, as this point can be really inconsistent. I like Pele's 24-10 number.

[Fast GTO]

24-14 Steelers IMO, unless Parker finally has a good game in which case I'll go 24-10.

Funny thing though is that I think they will win, but if they lose, we know the steelers like to lose big.

Which sucks....

[Cal Goat]

24-14 Steelers IMO, unless Parker finally has a good game in which case I'll go 24-10.

Funny thing though is that I think they will win, but if they lose, we know the steelers like to lose big.

Which sucks....

Not that variables like this really matter BUT: I think the Steelers are historically excellent playing on Monday nights at home.

All in all, I think they just have their shit together a lot more than the Ravens do right now.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

Not that variables like this really matter BUT: I think the Steelers are historically excellent playing on Monday nights at home.

All in all, I think they just have their shit together a lot more than the Ravens do right now.

I think they Ravens are overall a bad team right now.

I also just heard the Steelers haven't lost a Monday night game at home since '91.

[SK360]

OMG can this game be going any better? haha total ownage..

[Indigo99LS]

OMG can this game be going any better? haha total ownage..

yeah it could... Billick could get injured, then we'd be rid of his "genius" play-calling! :cursin:

[Harpo]

I was telling everybody who kept calling me about the game that Tomlin was crazy for letting the starters play during the second half and now Roethlisberger's hurt. Great.

[elpuerco]

figures they'd unload on Baltimore .... just when I thought I'd win a fantasy game.....nope.

0-9 in both leagues.

[Fast GTO]

great performance, harrison was outstanding, would have liked to see some more yardage in the ground game but Baltimore has a good run defense.

[1969 SS]

I was telling everybody who kept calling me about the game that Tomlin was crazy for letting the starters play during the second half and now Roethlisberger's hurt. Great.

Ben looked great last night but you still don't pull your QB that early in a game.

[Harpo]

would have liked to see some more yardage in the ground game but Baltimore has a good run defense.

Agreed, although Baltimore was intentionally trying to stop the ground game by loading up the box. However, the Steelers simply went to the air and exploited the Ravens' rookie corners. That said, you'd still like to see better performance out of the offensive line.

I was surprised at how complimentary Ben was of the offensive line's play after the game. It's wasn't that great. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call it average. No running game and guys hanging all over him on pass plays are proof of that. Who knows, maybe he's trying to pump them up to get them to play better.

Another thing that needs work is the Steelers' special teams. They gave up a big, big runback and threw in another 15 yards with a personal foul -- giving the Ravens a very short field near the end of the first half -- which blew the shutout. Those kinds of mistakes will kill you in close playoff games.

Other than that, no complaints -- although I still think Roethlisberger and a bunch of other starters should have been pulled at halftime. The Ravens offense wasn't going to put up 28 -- and the downside risk is too great. Although Roethlisberger did get in and play another series later in the game, he was limping badly after the game.

If you've ever had a hip pointer, you know how bad those things hurt, how can they linger, how they goof your mechanics up, and how they can lead to other injuries because you're compensating from the pain it's causing.

BTW, what's with Chuck Noll and Jack Lambert not attending the 75th anniversary night? I know Noll went to the game a few weeks ago -- but was surprised Lambert stayed away, especially since he still (from what I know) lives in Western Pennsylvania (at least his football camps are based there).

[SK360]

another demonstration of how good roethlisberger is whenever the pressure is on, the 2 times he broke tackles and threw long touchdowns to miller and washington.... AWESOME

[Cal Goat]

BTW, what's with Chuck Noll and Jack Lambert not attending the 75th anniversary night? I know Noll went to the game a few weeks ago -- but was surprised Lambert stayed away, especially since he still (from what I know) lives in Western Pennsylvania (at least his football camps are based there).

I was wondering the same thing.

[Harpo]

I was wondering the same thing.

Noll's getting around with a walker these days -- so he might not wanted to be out for a night game. Bettis and Woodson didn't make the 75th anniversary dinner because they were working their television jobs. Lambert simply told the team he couldn't make either function.

My all time favorite play was Lambert decking the Cowboys' Cliff Harris in Super Bowl X after Roy Gerela missed a field goal. Talk about putting fear in the heart of the opposition. Wish he was on the field when the Broncos' Bill Romanowski was taunting Kordell Stewart after throwing an interception in the AFC Championship game in the 90's.

[Cal Goat]

Noll's getting around with a walker these days -- so he might not wanted to be out for a night game. Bettis and Woodson didn't make the 75th anniversary dinner because they were working their television jobs. Lambert simply told the team he couldn't make either function.

My all time favorite play was Lambert decking the Cowboys' Cliff Harris in Super Bowl X after Roy Gerela missed a field goal. Talk about putting fear in the heart of the opposition. Wish he was on the field when the Broncos' Bill Romanowski was taunting Kordell Stewart after throwing an interception in the AFC Championship game in the 90's.

To be fair, Romo was probably on a steroid bender when he taunted Kordell. Haha, just another example of a great ball player being a disgusting human being. But seriously, maybe he's like the Dali Lama when he's not roiding.

[Harpo]

To be fair, Romo was probably on a steroid bender when he taunted Kordell. Haha, just another example of a great ball player being a disgusting human being. But seriously, maybe he's like the Dali Lama when he's not roiding.

Nah, Romo was scum all the way around. Just wish one of the Steelers of the mid-90's, like Greg Lloyd, would've smashed him into next week when he started patting Stewart on the helmet. Would've been nice to see the team stick up for their quarterback like Lambert did for Gerela.

[Red Bearded Goat]

Agreed, although Baltimore was intentionally trying to stop the ground game by loading up the box. However, the Steelers simply went to the air and exploited the Ravens' rookie corners. That said, you'd still like to see better performance out of the offensive line.

I was surprised at how complimentary Ben was of the offensive line's play after the game. It's wasn't that great. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to call it average. No running game and guys hanging all over him on pass plays are proof of that. Who knows, maybe he's trying to pump them up to get them to play better.

Another thing that needs work is the Steelers' special teams. They gave up a big, big runback and threw in another 15 yards with a personal foul -- giving the Ravens a very short field near the end of the first half -- which blew the shutout. Those kinds of mistakes will kill you in close playoff games.



Harpo,
Being a Ravens fan on a Steelers thread I'm gonna tread lightly. Your assessment of what Steeler fans should be taking away from that game is nearly spot on. It was a big victory in what was a pivotal divisional game for the Ravens and that is the bottom line.

In how your teams overall offensive play was (stat wise) in relation to the score, it wasn't a good outing. 5 TD's from a little over 200 yards passing? Score good, yardage stats mediocre at best for going against untested rookies in the Bmore secondary. Yes they were burned for 5 TD's but that was only 30 minutes of game time, what about the 2nd half. Running game was stuffed all night, Parker 23 carries, 42 yards?.... not gonna be good enough when the Steelers face teams that have real offences and defenses equal to or better than the Ravens.

Seriously, it was another pathetic showing of the Raven offence against the best defense they have played this year and paid the price for fielding an effort better suited for a HS league divisional game, not the NFL. On D the Ravens loaded the box to stuff the run and pressure big Ben in hopes he would make a mistake knowing our comers were 3rd string back ups. Given the stooge squad coughed up the rock thus providing excellent field position in the 1st half, it became a classic a$$ kicking the tin men put on my black crows instead. I'm not inferring the Ravens gave the game away, its more obvious the Stealers (spelled correctly for last nights game) took the game by defensive force and James Harrison's play making was phenomenal. I believe if we had Mac and Rolle, Steelers still win by a lower score, maybe 23 to 7.

I hate the Stealer for the same reasons you guys like them... its out of respect, but they are the must beat divisional foe every meeting of every year! I can only hope my team doesn't spot yours 5 again in the last game of the season (the last game of the year for the Ravens at least).

Red.

[PeleProdigyGTO]

To be fair, Romo was probably on a steroid bender when he taunted Kordell. Haha, just another example of a great ball player being a disgusting human being. But seriously, maybe he's like the Dali Lama when he's not roiding.

No, Romo is and always will be 100% asshole.

My girlfriend in high school lived next door to him. He would yell at anyone in the neighborhood for the dumbest shit. Big giant douche that guy, he sure was a great player though.

[Harpo]

Your assessment of what Steeler fans should be taking away from that game is nearly spot on.

Thanks. I try to be objective in terms of what is necessary for the Steelers to be a serious Super Bowl contender. A lot of people think I'm overly negative -- and I'll admit getting that way after a loss.

By the way, Roethlisberger's got a bruised hip but is expected to play. This could turn out to be a problem because it may affect his mobility. It could also be a much bigger problem if it affects his mechanics or causes other injuries, like hamstring and muscle pulls, because he's compensating for the pain. We'll see.

Hey, Steve, I can't make the Steelers/Browns game at Jack's this weekend. Will be up in the Napa Valley snorkeling in gigantic vats of red wine and hanging out with the wife. Maybe next weekend...

[Cal Goat]

Hey, Steve, I can't make the Steelers/Browns game at Jack's this weekend. Will be up in the Napa Valley snorkeling in gigantic vats of red wine and hanging out with the wife. Maybe next weekend...

Sounds good man. You know I've lived in the Bay Area for 10 years now and I have yet to do a wine tour in Napa... and I LOVE wine! I'm honestly embarrassed by that. So drink a few bottles for me!

[Cal Goat]

Anyone care to speculate on this Cleveland game? I foresee an offensive shootout...

[bluehen21]

Cleveland's Offense is playing better, but Pittsburgh will move the ball and control the clock and field position, making this a low scoring game. I'm thinking 20-10 Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh will Throw for a Score and Run for one with 2 field goals.

Cleveland will score a touchdown late and add a Field Goal in there somewhere.

Big Game that will give us (The Steelers) a little Cushion in the Division with a win.

[Harpo]

I don't think this game will be a problem -- as long as they show up and the Browns' Anderson doesn't have a career day.

STEELERS OFFENSE: Cleveland has one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL, if not the worst, so Miller, Ward, Washington, Wilson and Holmes should be flying.

That said, I'd like to see better offensive line play and, once the passing game softens up Cleveland's DBs and linebackers, some real production out of Parker and Davenport for a change.

Very curious to see if Roethlisberger's hip is bothering him.

STEELERS DEFENSE: With Cleveland's passing game, this will actually be a halfway decent test for their corners. The Steelers DBs will need to shut down their receivers while containing Winslow. I'm not too concerned about Lewis running for too much.

STEELERS SPECIAL TEAMS: These guys better perform. They have this lousy habit of covering 4 out of 5 kicks or punts pretty well -- then blow it by giving up a crapload of yards on 1 play. They really need to knock that stuff off.

RESULT: If the Steelers bring their A game, this could be something like 38-13. It's a division game at home -- so if they don't get up for this, then they can't get up for anything. Let's hope we get out of this one with W and no injuries.

[bobby]

The Steelers ROCK !! Always have and always will. And that':Ds all I have to say about that...

[Palmer]

Ok, I'll post first.

Jesus Christ that was close!! :judge:

[1969 SS]

yes it was. good teams pull out close games

[Cal Goat]

I didn't get to watch the game but I was keeping tabs on the score thinking "God damn it! The Browns must be passing all over us!" But come to find out that our defense did great, but it was the special teams that was killing us.

I think that'll end up being our biggest weakness through the rest of the season. Offense looked a little spacey in the first half but they woke up for the second half. And I think the defensive numbers speak for themselves.

I cannot wait for the New England game because I think we may have the best shot at beating them now. Although I'm a little concerned about Miami because you can just see the winless team coming out of nowhere to take down the over-confident home team...

[chupacabra]

Anybody goin to the game on the 18th vs. the Jets? Just picked up my tickets... the goat will be tailgating in full effect

[Harpo]

My brother was at the game and kept calling with updates while I was on vacation with the wife. Needless to say, she loved that. What was interesting is that neither my brother or I felt the Steelers were going to lose that game -- even at halftime.

Just scanned the gamebook and have the following observations:

OFFENSE: Did well, but the offensive line play still stinks. Roethlisberger got sacked FOUR times, repeat, FOUR times! By Cleveland?!? Are you kidding me?!? The passing game was great, but the running game was only decent. For example, they weren't able to grind it out near the end of the game. Three and out with a little over two minutes remaining. So they had to punt -- and gave Cleveland a shot at a game winning field goal. Unacceptable. And three field goals on their first three trips to the Red Zone? Once again, unacceptable.

DEFENSE: They started really slow. The opening drive by Cleveland wasn't good at all. They couldn't get those guys off the field in the first quarter. In fact, Cleveland was 4/4 on third downs at one point. What's up with that? Zero sacks, too. That said, they shut the Browns down in the second half -- and they really only gave up 14 points when you think about it.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Pathetic. The only positive is that their performance was so bloody awful that they're going to have to work on this now because if this was a playoff game -- the Steelers would've been sent home. Don't know what the hell the problem is -- because the same exact thing happened under Cowher. Reminds of that playoff loss to New England a few years ago -- the one where they dominated every category imaginable -- except the score because the special teams gave up a punt return touchdown.

Overall, a W's a W -- and nobody got hurt -- even though they brought their B game -- while the special teams couldn't be bothered to show the hell up. On the down side, if they do this against the Patriots -- they will get killed. On the up side, this team still isn't hitting on all 8 cylinders yet -- so they're not peaking too early -- which is fine by me. With the Colts banged up, these guys could very well be the number two seed with a week off and a second round home playoff game in the AFC -- so things are looking pretty good.

[Fast GTO]

Mental lapses continue to plague the team.

The one thing everyone says about the Steelers is that when they have their head in the game they can beat anyone, but the opposite is also true with anyone being able to beat us....


I hope we are the team that beats New England.

[Palmer]

Lots of time for injuries and just falling apart before New England. I can't stand all this anticipation and hype over that game.

If it was taking place in January (playoffs) ok, but in the regular season when they have a shot for 2nd place and home field until the conference championship, to hell with that game. Win or lose, it doesn't make the Steelers season.

Just sayin.....

[Harpo]

^ Agreed. Don't even care if they lose against New England during the regular season because it potentially doesn't mean anything.

Speaking of injuries, both Tuman and Clark were put on injured reserve yesterday.

[Fast GTO]

I've been talking a lot of shit to a Patriots fan I work with, we HAVE TO win that game or the Superbowl.

;)

[Palmer]

I've been talking a lot of shit to a Patriots fan I work with, we HAVE TO win that game or the Superbowl.

;)

This might not be a good idea.....


Onto other subjects. Thoughts on the Jets? Skeered they will mail it in and get clobbered? How's the Jets D?

[Harpo]

Thoughts on the Jets? Skeered they will mail it in and get clobbered? How's the Jets D?

Jets are horrible on both sides of the ball. 29th in the league on offense. 30th in the league on defense. That said, there are things to be concerned about:

- Mailing it in. Palmer, you hit the nail on the head as this team has a habit of not showing up after big wins. They tanked in Arizona after manhandling San Francisco and did the same in Denver after shutting out Seattle. The same thing sort of happened with Cleveland as they definitely started slow after blowing up the Ravens. The D couldn't stop the Browns first drive. The O turned the ball over deep and couldn't convert in the Red Zone. But, outside of special teams, they eventually turned their play around -- which didn't happen in the other losses. On the other hand, the Cleveland win was a big, big win -- so there's a chance it went to their heads. You just don't know.

- Special teams giving up huge plays to the Jets' Leon Washington. This guy is unreal -- which plays right into the Steelers' biggest weakness. His average return yards are over 30 per kick.

- The Jets' new QB Clemens. He was pretty decent against Washington throwing the ball -- and he can run, too. The problem with the Jets before is that their offense was so stinkin' bad that they would just leave the defense out on the field to get run down and punished. Now? If Clemens can get some drives going -- that will markedly improve play on both sides of the ball.

That said, the Steelers should be able to move the ball, control the clock and get a win. So they make the most out of this opportunity, here's what I'd like to see them do:

- Come out of the gate and play from the opening kick. Don't start slow. Be ready.

- Get some decent offensive line play to open up the running game and allow Parker and Davenport to move the sticks and drain the clock.

- Freakin' convert on every Red Zone opportunity. See if they simply drive the ball from the 20 on in...

- Get some defensive pressure on Clemens. Get some sacks. Create turnovers. Get some three and outs.

- Improve special teams play. Get the gunners down there to slow the return man down -- so the second wave can tackle him. As for the second wave, geez Louise, stay spread out and control your gaps until you can make a play. It's ridiculous to watch the return man blow past 8/9 guys who are all within a 5 yard range -- between the hash marks.

- End the game early then use the second half to conduct testing on offense. Conduct two minute drills in the form of no huddle drives to develop cadence. Why? I'd like them to spring this on New England if they meet them in the playoffs. The Patriots are very old on the defensive side of the ball -- and are heavily reliant on substitutions for certain plays and to keep their guys fresh. You start running them around and force them keep to keep guys like Seau on the field by lining up quickly -- it's possible you could create real havoc.

- Finally, they need to come out of this game with a win and zero injuries. Even though the Colts don't look as good now because of Freeney getting hurt and all the other injuries they have, this is still a big game because it's a conference one.

[Harpo]

http://www.mikefeinbergcompany.com/decal.html

I've got one of these on my car -- in the area next to the license plate. It's reflective and cool as heck. These are cheap -- and if you call your order in and ask for Nick, they'll reduce shipping to $1.00. The reflective stock is the same as the reflective paint on license plates -- so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. FYI.

[Cal Goat]

http://www.mikefeinbergcompany.com/decal.html

I've got one of these on my car -- in the area next to the license plate. It's reflective and cool as heck. These are cheap -- and if you call your order in and ask for Nick, they'll reduce shipping to $1.00. The reflective stock is the same as the reflective paint on license plates -- so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. FYI.

I want to see a picture of it on your car. Or maybe sunday at Jacks?

EDIT: The game's at 1pm I believe. Hopefully I can make that.

[Harpo]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/pigofpigs/P1 000067-1.jpg

Here you go. Balanced out with a reflective Holden decal I had made. Jack's will be fine as the game is a 1PM kickoff our time. Let me know if you want to go. If you've got stuff to do and can't make it -- no big deal.

[Cal Goat]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y134/pigofpigs/P1 000067-1.jpg

Here you go. Balanced out with a reflective Holden decal I had made. Jack's will be fine as the game is a 1PM kickoff our time. Let me know if you want to go. If you've got stuff to do and can't make it -- no big deal.

I should be able to make it. But I have to show an airplane to some weird Russian dude in the morning. So provided he doesn't kill me, I'll be there at 1.

[Harpo]

OK. See you out front at 1PM. Just called and they will have the game on...

[Cal Goat]

OK. See you out front at 1PM. Just called and they will have the game on...

I'll be there!

[Palmer]

We officially have the worst ****ING OFFENSIVE LINE in the NFL. :mad:

[Harpo]

We officially have the worst ****ING OFFENSIVE LINE in the NFL. :mad:


Yep. No running game all day. Rothlisberger gets sacked 7 times, 7 times, by the Jets. We've got the ball the ball, 1st and 10, with three minutes to go -- only to go three and out. The D tightens up and allows a field goal.

Then there's OT. The defense gets a nice stop. O goes three and out. Then the special teams pinches a loaf (while I'm in the bathroom taking a leak).

Bottom line? We lose to the 1-8 Jets. Got news, Steelers fans, we have zero hope to win the Super Bowl. This team did the exact same thing against Cleveland last week -- and wasn't good enough to learn from it. We'll get a decent playoff seed and maybe win a game -- but we're not going to win the Super Bowl. Even teams like Jacksonville are better than us.

Overall, if we had a tougher schedule -- we'd be closer to .500. Right Steve?

[Harpo]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07323/835150-66.stm

Steelers report card from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Pretty accurate.

Before, I wasn't sure if the Steelers were real or not. After yesterday's fiasco, I'm pretty sure they're not. Again, if they had a real schedule -- their W/L record would be a lot worse.

That said, there's always the hope that the team can gel and get its offensive line back. Not likely to happen, but possible.

[1969 SS]

^ Agreed. Don't even care if they lose against New England during the regular season because it potentially doesn't mean anything. true, very true!

[Cal Goat]

Ugh... I just relived the nightmare watching the highlights.

I would have to say that this team is not consistent enough to be a true contender this year. But I said the same thing during the Superbowl season...

It's really weird, because sometimes the offense comes out and plays very sharp, and at other times it's like they're just going out there to see if they can complete some unnecessarily long pass.

I think the O line is ok. The run blocking was a little sketchy, but the pass protection was reasonable. Ben got sacked 7 times because he was standing back there way too long most of the time. I would have liked to have seen several more short, quick throws.

The D wasn't terrible either, they held Clemmens to less than 200 yards in the air (I believe) and only 1 actual touchdown. The offense's inability to sustain a drive was what put the D in a bad spot. But other than some bad tackles and over-pursuing, I would say they did ok.

Special teams: no comment.

I think the problem yesterday was the offensive play calling.

[Georgiarocker]

I'm flyin up to the burgh on gameday. My brother is gonna pick me up at PIT and we're gonna partake of some grill and suds in the parking lot most of the afternoon. Anyone going to that game? I haven't met any goat owners from my home state yet. Too much time spent down here in grits-ville, need to get back to my roots. Damn, I miss pierogies and chipped ham sandwiches.

[Palmer]

FYI for fans. http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1250/ story?id=listenlive# always carries the Tomlin Press Conference every Tuesday (I think) at 12pm. I usually tune in during lunch. Should be interesting to hear what he has to say about last week's game.

[Fast GTO]

Same ol' same ol' with a new coach.

Hopefully they make a nice playoff run but they are so inconsistent that you can't really predict what will happen week to week.

[Palmer]

Agreed. But I'm trying to remember that they are 7-3. I sure as hell don't like the last 3 games they play this year being on the road though.

[Harpo]

What's kind of frustrating is not knowing if this team is any good at all. They're up. They're down.

That said, their schedule is pretty darn weak. Two against a so-so Cleveland squad and one each against Buffalo, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle, Denver, Cincinnati and Baltimore.

Now sure what to think of Tomlin and crew:

OFFENSE: Rothlisberger's far better this year -- so Ken Anderson's doing a great job. But now he's hanging onto the ball too long. The receivers weren't doing anything to get open against NYJ. The offensive line's pretty bad. The running game, statistically, has gotten a lot of yards -- but hasn't done squat since the Denver game. Overall, that's not championship caliber play.

DEFENSE: Looks good statistically, but who have they played? And they tighten up when their best play is needed -- so teams are driving on them late for game tying and winning field goals. Their sack totals aren't impressive at all. Better than the offense, though.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Awful.

Looking forward, they'll probably go 3-3. New England and Jacksonville, based on what I've seen, are definite losses. And they'll probably mail it in against either St. Louis or Baltimore on the road. Most likely St. Louis. They'll get a decent playoff seed, maybe win a game at home -- then get turfed.

[Georgiarocker]

I'm flyin up to the burgh on gameday. My brother is gonna pick me up at PIT and we're gonna partake of some grill and suds in the parking lot most of the afternoon. Anyone going to that game? I haven't met any goat owners from my home state yet. Too much time spent down here in grits-ville, need to get back to my roots. Damn, I miss pierogies and chipped ham sandwiches.

Anyone?

[Palmer]

Sorry dude, I won't be at the game. Actually, I usually don't go to them. Rather sit at a bar or home and watch them unless it's a playoff game.....

[elpuerco]

that was one ugly ass game

[Leavehard]

that was one ugly ass game
:huh:
had em all the way... :p

[1969 SS]

I'd like to blame it on the weather conditions but if that was the reason, why did Miami move the ball almost as good as Pitt?

after the last few weeks, it looks like Pitt has some serious issues to resolve before playoff time

[05GoatBoy]

steve young is a salty old ass

[Harpo]

I'd like to blame it on the weather conditions but if that was the reason, why did Miami move the ball almost as good as Pitt?

after the last few weeks, it looks like Pitt has some serious issues to resolve before playoff time

The field was so bad that it served as a great equalizer. Nobody could run or cut or do anything. It was just a big Greco wrestling match played in a pasture.

Another factor that kept the game statistically close was the Steelers had at least three nice first down plays called back on penalties.

That said, I agree with you that the Steelers offense is going the wrong way. No running game for weeks. Passing game not as effective now, either. Didn't like some of the play calling tonight, too. The running game was not producing on short yardage plays -- yet they kept trying to run on third and fourth and short.

At least it's a W -- and nobody appeared to get hurt. Even though the field was a joke -- that punt sticking in the mud was classic.

[Fast GTO]

O line is not protecting Ben.

Ben, luckily, has improved enough as a QB to buy time and evade but the O line is playing horribly.

[Cal Goat]

O line is not protecting Ben.

Ben, luckily, has improved enough as a QB to buy time and evade but the O line is playing horribly.

I don't see it that way. I mean, the O-line isn't GREAT, but I think Ben is just sitting back there too long. I want to see more short, quick passes instead of these plays where Ben is looking to throw 20 yards down the field.

The O-line seems to be worse at run-blocking right now.

As for the MNF game: I think the conditions just blew everything out of whack. But they hung in there and got the W. I think overall though, our offense has really petered-out. I think a lot of it is the play-calling - like they're looking for the big play on every down. But maybe defenses just have us figured out.

[Palmer]

I don't see it that way. I mean, the O-line isn't GREAT, but I think Ben is just sitting back there too long. I want to see more short, quick passes instead of these plays where Ben is looking to throw 20 yards down the field.

The O-line seems to be worse at run-blocking right now.

As for the MNF game: I think the conditions just blew everything out of whack. But they hung in there and got the W. I think overall though, our offense has really petered-out. I think a lot of it is the play-calling - like they're looking for the big play on every down. But maybe defenses just have us figured out.


That's my guess behind it. It seems the minute they get knocked sideways (a sack, a penalty, a negative yardage play) they fold up shop, punt, and wait to start the series over again. This has happened for the last two (maybe 3?) games now. As soon as something "bad" happens, Ben folds until the next time they get the ball.

Earlier in the year, 3rd and 12, 3rd and 17 was not a problem, they would just hit a receiver down field. Now, all I'm seeing is Wideout screen passes and the proverbial Steeler Draw (except for that poor excuse for a shuffle pass last night).

They have to start digging into that playbook or else they are going to get smoked. If they think an Offensive scheme lasts all year, they are in for it. Everyone has to adjust at least at the 3/4 point of the year. You become predictable if you don't.

[Georgiarocker]

I'll be at the game tomorrow. Ya'll look for me.

I'll wear my JEGS hat so I stand out :rolleyes:

[Harpo]

Steelers should win this weekend. Better on both sides of the ball. But when you lose to the J-e-s-t JEST JEST JEST, you can lose to anybody.

Regarding the Steelers offense, there seems to be a number of things deteriorating. The offensive line is not performing well on run or pass plays, the play calling is off, Ben's holding onto the ball too long -- in part because the receivers aren't getting open like they used to. Their red zone play hasn't been any good all year, either.

As Steve pointed out, why is every pass play set up for 15-20 yard completions? Why not just some quick slants or curls for 5 to 7 yards on first down -- so you have the option of running or passing on the next two plays?

[Harpo]

I'll be at the game tomorrow. Ya'll look for me.

I'll wear my JEGS hat so I stand out :rolleyes:

Run onto the field at some point so we can see you...

[Palmer]

BTW - It's raining really hard here again :gr_devil:

[Fast GTO]

I don't see it that way. I mean, the O-line isn't GREAT, but I think Ben is just sitting back there too long. I want to see more short, quick passes instead of these plays where Ben is looking to throw 20 yards down the field.

The O-line seems to be worse at run-blocking right now.

As for the MNF game: I think the conditions just blew everything out of whack. But they hung in there and got the W. I think overall though, our offense has really petered-out. I think a lot of it is the play-calling - like they're looking for the big play on every down. But maybe defenses just have us figured out.

Ben has shown the capacity to carry the offense which is why I said what I did. The O-Line has not shown the capacity to protect in do or die situations.

[Midnight]

The Steelers were CLEARLY going to win anyway, but WTF is the deal with the zebras??? Good Lord, stay out of the way and let the men play the game, you attention whore losers!!!

Okay, sorry to interrupt your thread Steeler-fans. :D

[1969 SS]

if Pitt plans on coming to NE and play the way they have the last four weeks, it's not going to be pretty for them

[elpuerco]

very bad officiating in tonight's game. Lots of bad calls.

Also... did Willie Parker bathe in Crisco before the game? Jeesh.....

[Fast GTO]

We are going to kick the bajeebus out of NE.

Mark my words!

;)

[1969 SS]

I honestly feel this will be New England's most difficult game, and could go either way.

most of us in NE have been thinking that for quite a while

We are going to kick the bajeebus out of NE.

Mark my words!

;)

after they get marked, how are you going to eat them, do you want them with syrup or butter?

what do you think for a final score?

[Harpo]

I've started a Pittsburgh at New England thread to keep all the bullshit out of this one.

Last night's game wasn't too bad. Better pass protection for Ben. And the defense did a very nice job of shutting down the Bengals' passing game -- which had been coming on strong the past two to three weeks.

Only complaints concerned the incredibly slow start in the first quarter and Parker's case of the squirts. Not too bad considering how many guys were out. Had no idea Davenport was gimpy until Bob Trumpy said it on the national radio telecast (as the radio guys are much, much better than Madden and Michaels).

[pinski]

Only complaints concerned the incredibly slow start in the first quarter and Parker's case of the squirts.

Yeah, what was going on with Parker? I've never seen him lose that many in one game. Thankfully the Steelers had challenges available on a couple of those...

Also, has Pittsburgh ever thought about converting to field turf? With all the rain and games that have been played at Heinz, that field is a mess.

[Harpo]

Yeah, what was going on with Parker? I've never seen him lose that many in one game. Thankfully the Steelers had challenges available on a couple of those...

Don't know. I think Davenport being a late scratch had something to do with it. Parker had 28 carries -- which is a lot even for him -- and a few of those were in situations where Davenport would get the ball. Still no excuse for it, though.

Also, has Pittsburgh ever thought about converting to field turf? With all the rain and games that have been played at Heinz, that field is a mess.

Last night wasn't that bad. The footing seemed pretty good. I don't recall seeing guys slipping and falling or anything like that. Besides, it's football, not golf. The players don't care if the grass is nice and green. They just want predictable footing -- and they had it last night.

Last week's fiasco, in part, was caused by the grounds crew not sweeping all the water off the tarp before they rolled it up -- because the worst areas were a series of strips every 20 yards apart.

Will the Steelers go to artifical turf? I really doubt it. The players like playing on natural grass -- and the Rooneys proudly defend the time-honored traditions of football.

By the way, if you want to see lousy looking turf -- check out the highlights of the Browns/Cardinals game from Arizona. For a grass surface that is reserved pretty much for NFL games -- and rolled outside during the week, the exposed dirt between the hash marks the entire length of the field looked pretty bad. That said, the footing was good.

[Cal Goat]

Other than the turnovers and forgettable first quarter, I thought it was a great game. Defense looked great. But maybe Cinci just isn't that good.

[Harpo]

Honestly... 31-26 Pittsburgh

Hope you're right! The Ravens certainly gave New England everything they could handle -- just like Eagles did.

[1969 SS]

Honestly... 31-26 Pittsburgh that's a realistic guess. that's a lot different than saying that they are "going to kick the bajeebus out of NE"

lets alll hope for a game as good as tonight's, no matter who wins!

[Fast GTO]

that's a realistic guess. that's a lot different than saying that they are "going to kick the bajeebus out of NE"

lets alll hope for a game as good as tonight's, no matter who wins!

Hey, my words have been marked, remember that, and take the bet I offered in the other thread.

Not everyone has to 'bow down' to NE this season and act like they don't think their team can beat them.

[Georgiarocker]

It was awesome to fly home for the game Sunday. When I stopped for coffee at my local doughnut shop on the way to ATL I saw a guy come in wearing a steelers jersey and was like "I'll be there tonight!" Great feeling to get off the plane and see black and gold everywhere. Hung out at station square all day. Pigged out at buca di beppo, tailgated all evening and got absolutely obliterated on margaritas and juengling (can't buy that beer anywhere in GA), caught the clipper over to the stadium, started pouring on our way in. Great seats behind the endzone 3 rows under the upper deck overhang so we didn't have to endure much rain once we got to our seats.

It was great to see Hines' team high td reception in person, but I wasn't happy with the turnovers and all the 3-and-outs, but it was a W so what the hell.

It was a great trip and I'm glad I was able to make it up. I saw snow for the first time in years monday but I was glad to be back in 60 degree weather yesterday.

[Harpo]

Steve, I don't think the game's going to be broadcast in the Bay Area because the 49ers are playing Minnesota at the same time(!). However, there's a station in Monterey/Salinas that might pick it up. Check your local listings. I think it's channel 46.

I'm in meetings all day Sunday for work -- and doubt that I can get out. If I do, I'll probably head over to Premier Pizza in Fremont. It's off of Auto Mall Parkway by P.F. Chang's. Not a Steelers Bar, per se, but the owner Shawn is really cool -- and it will be a lot better than Jack's. I'm also avoiding the game because I'll probably start throwing stuff and get tossed in jail.

Directory of Steelers Bars:

http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/steelerbars_list.asp#Californ ia

Let's go Steelers!

[Harpo]

Any thoughts on the upcoming game with Jacksonville? I think we're going to have our hands full -- particulary with Aaron Smith out for the rest of the year.

[goat 06]

Yeah, it's a must win the way I see it. Cleveland is just waiting to take over. Steelers own the tie break but they havn't been hitting on all cylinders in awhile. Hopefully they will finish strong and head into the playoffs with some steam.

[1969 SS]

that's a realistic guess. that's a lot different than saying that they are "going to kick the bajeebus out of NE"

lets alll hope for a game as good as tonight's, no matter who wins!

Hey, my words have been marked, remember that, and take the bet I offered in the other thread.

Not everyone has to 'bow down' to NE this season and act like they don't think their team can beat them.

funny, he offered a bet, I accepted, he lost, and he's been online since the bet. the guy can't even honor a simple avatar bet. how's that for a guy that stands behind his team?

[Cal Goat]

Yeah, it's a must win the way I see it. Cleveland is just waiting to take over. Steelers own the tie break but they havn't been hitting on all cylinders in awhile. Hopefully they will finish strong and head into the playoffs with some steam.

Yup yup. The Jags look pretty sharp. Hopefully home-field will be an advantage for us, and t would be nice to at least say we were undefeated at home this year. And of course to have Cleveland so hot on our heals is a bit unsettling.

But, I'm at that point where I'm thinking that there's no way this is the year. I've given up any real hope for a Super Bowl bid. I just want to see them play smart football from here on out win or lose. Let me just see that the coaches can put together a good game plan and be competitive. That would be nice.

[Harpo]

I'm at that point where I'm thinking that there's no way this is the year. I've given up any real hope for a Super Bowl bid.

Ditto.

[1969 SS]

But, I'm at that point where I'm thinking that there's no way this is the year. I've given up any real hope for a Super Bowl bid. why? do you think it's the coaching or the players? to me it just seems that they can't put it all together for a long enough run. I think they have the talent

[Palmer]

I think they are still to tentative on their play calling. Still way too conservative.

[Harpo]

why? do you think it's the coaching or the players? to me it just seems that they can't put it all together for a long enough run. I think they have the talent

Agree with you. They have the talent but haven't been able to perform at a consistently high level this year.

Shortcomings include special teams giving up big, big plays every game or two plus an offense that can’t get it done in the red zone and a defense that can't get to the quarterback. The running game has weakened as the year has gone on -- and now the receiving corps seems to have gone AWOL the past couple of weeks. While the defense has been consistently good, the secondary caved, badly, last Sunday when they were needed the most. And Willie Colon is still starting even though he flat out sucks. He looked like a freakin' matador for Mike Vrabel on pass plays last Sunday.

A lot people, myself included, looked at last Sunday's game as the one where the real Steelers would show up. From what little I saw in the second quarter, it looked like they could compete -- but that drive in the last couple of minutes where Brady marched them down the field and got a quick 3 before the half got me thinking that the second half would be kind of spooky. Unfortunately, I was right.

That said, a lot of people thought these guys were going to be really bad this year. Some said they'd finish 3rd in their division. A few picked them at the bottom. However, they were an 8-8 team last year and have already won more games this year than last -- although I doubt that would be the case if they had a tougher schedule. But, for what reason I don't know, they just can't seem to pop into gear and make a real drive for the championship. When they were 2nd in the conference, they go and lose to the Jets. You've got to be kidding me.

Anyway, they're doing fine with a rookie coach and a very young coaching staff. Unfortunately, Alan Faneca's as good as gone -- so maintaining what little offensive line they have right now will be next to impossible next year.

[goat 06]

Offensive line needs a revamp anyway, whether it be in talent,attitude or scheme, I don't know. But, most games there run blocking is creating no holes and there pass protection.... Nevermind-what pass protection? Most of the productive run plays lately have seemed to come from runs between the tackels and the outside runs where someone is pulling to block have just been swallowed up. I'm just a frustrated fan I guess. There still in it. Always a chance to get it together. GO STEELERS!

[Cal Goat]

Goddamnitsonofabitchmother****er!!!!:banghead::mad ::rant::cursin::cry::madsign3:

[Fast GTO]

funny, he offered a bet, I accepted, he lost, and he's been online since the bet. the guy can't even honor a simple avatar bet. how's that for a guy that stands behind his team?

I forgot about it. what avatar do you want me to rock?

Yeah, and I must be a complete loser due to having forgotten.....sarcasm.

[Fast GTO]

Come on guys, don't be sad.

Going to be a big game tomorrow.

[1969 SS]

I forgot about it. what avatar do you want me to rock?

Yeah, and I must be a complete loser due to having forgotten.....sarcasm.
you got my PM about it being no biggie right?:wiggle:

[1969 SS]

Come on guys, don't be sad.

Going to be a big game tomorrow.
you fans better hope they don't lose tomorrow or you may as well start thinking about next year, or should I say start worrying about next year...LOL

[Harpo]

The way the defense is playing, the Steelers will have their hands full. Steven Jackson is no slouch, Marc Bulger is very good when healthy as is Torry Holt. Given the Steelers injuries on D, watch the Rams run Jackson all night.

Won't be pretty, but the Steelers should get the W. Pretty sad to be even stressing about this one, given that the Rams are 3-11.

[Cal Goat]

I don't have the NFL network, and yet I'm not too stressed about missing this one.

[1969 SS]

the final score is not a true picture of how close this game was

[Fast GTO]

I didn't see us improve on anything that needed improving.

[Harpo]

the final score is not a true picture of how close this game was

St. Louis, with Bulger on the field, is much better than their record indicates.

While Parker going down is tough, it could be the kick in the pants the rest of the offense needs. As for the D, this is no different than a few years ago -- when they were exposed on the pass. I have a feeling Dick LeBeau's going to "retire" after this year so Tomlin can get his 4-3 going.

[Cal Goat]

From the highlights I saw, offense looked pretty good, but I know the Rams defense isn't exactly stellar. Our defense looked like they were missing a man.

Sucks to see Parker go down, but Davenport ain't a bad backup.

I'm not looking forward to the Ravens game next week. I think they're going to be extra feisty after having lost to the phins, and they usually play pretty tough at home.

Like I said before though, this ain't the year, so I'm not stressing anymore.

[Fast GTO]

Division Champs.

[Harpo]

Division Champs.

Not bad considering a lot of people were picking them to finish third in the division behind Baltimore and Cincinnati while others had them fourth behind Cleveland.

Getting the division yesterday was huge as the team's pretty nicked up -- so they won't have to play their starters against Baltimore's D for an entire game. That's a plus.

It will be interesting to see how they respond on O with Parker out. A lot of people are saying the Steelers are done and won't win a playoff game. I'm not so sure about that. Parker has this awful habit of running around his blocks and going wide -- where Davenport is definitely more of a north/south runner.

I'm not delusional and thinking they're going to win out and win another Super Bowl -- but if they start hitting on all 8 cylinders -- they could be pretty decent. As for the D, I won't be surprised if LeBeau retires in the offseason so Tomlin can convert over to the Tampa 2 4/3.

[Fast GTO]

As always the Steelers can beat any team when they are playing well. We have won the Super bowl on the road before, no reason it can't happen again.

My prediction is at least 1 playoff win and a loss to the colts or patriots.

[Harpo]

Right now, here's how I think the AFC playoff seeding will shape up:


Patriots
Colts
Chargers (playing Denver tonight, @ Oakland next week)
Steelers
Jaguars
Titans (@ Indy)/Browns (San Francisco)


Assuming San Diego wins out, and they should, and the Titans beat Indy, which will probably happen because Indy has a habit of resting guys in meaningless games -- that means the Steelers will be playing Jacksonville at home. That's a handful because they're playing really, really well.

If something happens and the Steelers wind up the three seed and the Browns sneak in, then they'll definitely get a win. We'll see.

[Licit]

As always the Steelers can beat any team when they are playing well. We have won the Super bowl on the road before, no reason it can't happen again.

My prediction is at least 1 playoff win and a loss to the colts or patriots.

So true, remember when we were a wild card team and kept winning even though the announcers pointed out every week, 70 times a game, how a wild card team had never won the super bowl. Bettis and team shoved that one up the nay-sayers asses didn't they? Hell I grew up with Chuck Knoll and quarterbacks like Mark Malone so I remember when we were happy to make the playoffs at all. I can't believe the lack of difference between this year and last when you compare the difference in Roethlisberger. I love to point out to my friends who all love the Colts to picture what Roethlisberger would be with Harrison and Wayne as his 1 and 2 receivers, a better quarterback than Manning.
Oh well, here we go Steelers!

[Fat_Nick]

Go Steelers! Afc North Champs Baby! Woooo