Anyone know about Glock handguns? [Archive]

tom's2005gto

11-04-2007, 06:46 AM

I am thinking about buying a new handgun. I have a couple that were my dad's. But I want something newer, maybe take it to a shooting range, etc.

Thinking about a Glock 9mm (only because I have heard of it so much). But I searched the web and Glock makes many different models of the 9mm.

Can someone recommend a specific model? And why that model?

I don't want to buy one, then latter wish I had bought something else.

Edit: I don't want to walk in to a retail shop uneducated, and have someone sell me a gun just to get rid of it!

tas

the_goat

11-04-2007, 06:52 AM

My brother looked at those Glocks, but decided on the Springfield "poly" gun. You might want to take a look at those. The 9mm doesn't cost as much to shoot as the 45. Oh, and the Springfield was cheaper too.

st8gunner

11-04-2007, 07:00 AM

Never, ever buy a handgun before you shoot it.

I don't know much about where you live, but a lot of gun ranges have guns you can use if you buy ammo from them, try it out and see if you like it.

Every gun manufacturer has its fanboys and haters, so most opinions are going to be biased.

Some criticisims of the Glock is the lack of a manual safety, and there's no way to carry a round in the chamber without it being cocked.

A positive is that they are damn near indestructable. They did a bunch of tests with em, throw em in a lake for a week and pull it out and shoot 100 rounds with it. Bury it in sand for a week, pull it out, shake it off and shoot 100 rounds with it, run it over with a 18-wheeler, park it on it for a week, you get the idea.

I carry a Glock 27 .40S&W daily and I love it.

I also have a Glock 20 in 10mm, it's a beast.

They also offer models with the "C" designation, meaning that it's compensated, it directs some of the exhaust gasses upward to reduce muzzle climb.

Go shoot one, they're great.

markas70

11-04-2007, 07:05 AM

The Springfeild IMO is alot better pistol,better warranty,alittle cheaper,simi supported
barrel,grip angle is right on. I had a Glock just didnt feel right (for me) then shot a
freinds XD and the sold the Glock.I now have the XD 9,40 and the 45. I shoot IDPA
comp. so I put alot of rounds thru my pistols. Im not hateing Glocks,just wasnt the
the pistol that fit right in my hand.They are both good guns so go rent them (most indoor
ranges rent guns to shoot) try them and get the one that fits you better.

tom's2005gto

11-04-2007, 07:23 AM

Good information...

I edited the original post to include:
I don't want to walk in to a retail shop uneducated, and have someone sell me a gun just to get rid of it!

thedak

11-04-2007, 07:28 AM

Try a Glock 38. Best all around, personal carry Glock.

JamieDresser

11-04-2007, 07:56 AM

I love my Glock 17 and 26. Easy to shoot, accurate, and very reliable. I can't remember the last time either of them jammed.

rVOLT

11-04-2007, 07:58 AM

a glock is a good first gun. Its a girls gun though. :) Its very light weight, the grip is usually for a smaller frame hand, unless you get the 45, which has a thicker handle than say the 40 cal model like I have. :) If you can get a good deal on one, get it. They're dependable and will rarely jam.

GT086

11-04-2007, 07:59 AM

You're going to have to shoot the gun before you buy it. Everybody likes something different. I personally do not like how Glocks feel.

Dangasaur

11-04-2007, 08:27 AM

Check out www.glocktalk.com and www.glockfaq.com

Glockfaq will break down the models and their sizes. Basically each caliber has a full size, compact, and sub-compact. If you want a range toy get a full size. If you want to carry get a compact or sub.

Scurvy

11-04-2007, 08:29 AM

why don't you try using :search: as well because a lot has been said on the topic here

SK360

11-04-2007, 08:37 AM

Forget about glocks, look into the Springfield XD's

best polymer framed handgun on the market, hands down...

i carry a XD 45 Compact.

04_GTO_Jimbo

11-04-2007, 08:43 AM

The only glock I liked that I could actualy hit anything with was their .45. I didnt like the 9mm or the .40 I rented. My friend has 2 springfield XD's. One in .40, and one in .45. Both are the longer tatical versions. Both are nail drivers. I can punch out the center of a target easily at 7 yards and maintain a 2 inch grouping at 15 yards. They are so simple to take apart and clean. Im a .45 guy myself, but im deinatly thinking about getting a 9mm XD for christmas.

JohnF

11-04-2007, 08:48 AM

Glock makes a great gun. Springfield makes a great one too. I personally prefer the glock but its all about what feels best to you. Everyone can say what they want but until you shoot them both you won't know which you prefer.

WhatsAHemi

11-04-2007, 08:54 AM

Here is my new toy. It's a good thing it's only a 5 round cylinder. That's about all my wrist could take on a 500 grain Hornady. Glock is a great pistol. Although I went with Springfield Armory XD in 40 Cal 5 Inch tactical model

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z227/Calixto_02/ P1010001.jpg

JonnieDago

11-04-2007, 08:57 AM

I used to be a bigtime Glock fanboy... Until I shot the Springfield XD.

Go find a range that rents guns, and shoot them on the range. Find the one you are most comfortable with and buy it.

GTPprix

11-04-2007, 09:02 AM

Whatever you do, shoot a bunch and buy the one that feels right. I wanted a Glock 19 till I shot a few HK's now I'm solely HK :D

rVOLT

11-04-2007, 09:06 AM

rVOLT

11-04-2007, 09:07 AM

Whatever you do, shoot a bunch and buy the one that feels right. I wanted a Glock 19 till I shot a few HK's now I'm solely HK :D

Yes... HK ftw. My buddy has an HK and its so much nicer than my glock.

TJay74

11-04-2007, 09:10 AM

I carry a Glock 27 as well as my CCW so I am prefaced to them somwhat, but in that I have some friends with the Springfield XD's as well.

Do like was said before you buy, go shot both the Glock and Springfield first then use that info to make the decision.

Both are great guns with top notch quality and easy to shoot. Hnadgrip design is different between the two and most usually one of them fits your hand better than the other.

On a side not I personally would not get a 9mm, they are cheap to shot but I personally dont carry anything less than the .40. The 40 cal round is almost as fast as the 9mm round and has more stopping power than the 9mm.

45 is a good round as well to consider, my dad is big into that round but he is prior military and most military peeps are partial to the .45 round.

Scurvy

11-04-2007, 09:21 AM

Yes... HK ftw. My buddy has an HK and its so much nicer than my glock.

considering HK pistols are about twice the price of glocks and XDs they better be.

phutty2000

11-04-2007, 10:21 AM

Glock 30 is my personal favorite semi auto. I'm more of a wheelgun kind of guy though; hard to beat a .357 or .44

ecetim

11-04-2007, 02:19 PM

I love my Glock 17 and 26. Easy to shoot, accurate, and very reliable. I can't remember the last time either of them jammed.Does that mean they jammed?

wolfdogs

11-04-2007, 03:08 PM

i have a springfield XD .45 with the 4" barrel. awesome gun. bought one of the first that came out in 45 cal.

carry? hee hee.............Kimber Ultra Raptor II

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/kimbe rII_011206/

unsigned

11-04-2007, 03:25 PM

I've got a G27, but I *hate* the full size glocks. The ergonomics just don't make sense. Try one out, then try something else. The xD's are nice, the S&W M&P is very nice and if you have the pocket for it, the H&K is also nice.

207

11-04-2007, 03:41 PM

I thought Glocks were cheap junk when I first saw one in the mid 80's. Then I had to buy a G17 for a job I was working in '93 and was shocked I shot a perfect qualifying score right out of the box. When I changed jobs they issued me a G19 and again qualified with a perfect score right out of the box.
Since then our issued weapon has been upgraded to the G23 and the G27. I've also bought a personal G27.
I was impessed enough to become a Glock armorer.

My G17 has had thousands of rounds through it and the only problem... IF you want to call it that... was a "certain" part worn down to a point where the pistol would fire full auto and do it flawlessly too.
I though about leaving it that way but, swapped the part out in a matter of minutes. LOL

Another armorer friend of mine used to test fire Glocks in his in ground swimming pool up until he sold the house.

Anyway, go to a range and try some different brands and models out... you'll know when you find the right one for you.

Napoleon_Tanerite

11-04-2007, 03:50 PM

i disliked the feel of the glocks. they're great guns in terms of reliability, but i hate the trigger on it. I much prefer a M1911 style pistol. As far as the glock 9mm goes, there are 3 models to really consider:

17- Full size pistol, largest of the 9mms (excluding long slide models) and is the least concealable, but is probably the most accurate, though no glock is really a tack driver

19- mid size. Smaller than the 17, but larger than the ultra compact 26. Fills the hand better and is easier to control than the 26. Good balance between package and concealability.

26- ultra compact model. very small and light, but a bit small. without the grip extension for the mag, your pinkie finger will not grip the handle. Great for summer carry or a purse gun.

important note-- all glock 9mms can take the same mags (larger models can not take the smaller G26 mags though) so you can even use the 33rd mags designed for the Glock 18 full auto pistol in the little G26. Obviously not convenient to carry, but something to keep stashed under the seat of the car if things get REALLY serious.

GTPprix

11-04-2007, 03:52 PM

considering HK pistols are about twice the price of glocks and XDs they better be.

You get what you pay for ;) I've got about at GTO's worth of HK weapons, the slogan does serve the company "No Compromise" :D

Scurvy

11-04-2007, 04:03 PM

You get what you pay for ;) I've got about at GTO's worth of HK weapons, the slogan does serve the company "No Compromise" :D

I agree on the get what you pay for. For slogans I'll take SIG's

"to hell and back reliability"

GTPprix

11-04-2007, 04:21 PM

Oohh we should put both of those slogans together hehe when you are going to hell and back there is no compromise :D hehe

207

11-04-2007, 04:47 PM

but i hate the trigger on it.
Yes, it is weird feeling with the trigger safety. Have you tried firing a round.. hold, then slowly easing off on the trigger until you hear/feel the "click" of the trigger reset then firing the next round etc.?
It's tough to get used to because most simply ease their finger off on the trigger after each round but, I find it makes a difference.

BTW... I like shooting my series 70's Gold Cup too. ;)

jonfor

11-04-2007, 04:55 PM

*disclaimer* my opinion on guns is worth crap:

all day long i like the springfield over the glock. i have shot both.

anyone have any opinions of the newer ruger auto? they look sexy and cops around here use them.

sloloco

11-04-2007, 06:23 PM

sloloco

11-04-2007, 06:35 PM

Oh and dig this...

The P229 is one of the most popular law enforcement pistols available today. Its nearly indestructible design outlasts, and out performs, other pistols so much so that after extensive testing with over 3,000,000 rounds fired, the Dept. of Homeland Security’s office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) selected the P229 over pistols from five other major manufacturers. Now the P229 is the standard duty pistol for not just DHS but also the U.S. Coast Guard, and is carried by other federal agencies that we aren’t permitted to discuss.

Scurvy

11-04-2007, 06:38 PM

if it's sig its 220 FTW

http://www.sigsauer.com/images/catalog/product/220 CompactBlkLeft.jpg

Sun Dog

11-04-2007, 08:38 PM

I wouldn't trade my Glock for 2 of any other brand, it's whatever makes you feel confident.

I agree if you can get to a gun range rent or if they sell them they might let you test a few different names. There will always be a good resale on the Glocks if you decide you don't like it. I went with the 23 (.40 sw), just a bit more powerful and a happy medium if you don't need to shoot bucket sized bullets out of a .45.

If you shoot it for any length of time the lighter gun will be your friend. Glocks come in small med and large in all the calibers. The Wikipedia site is pretty good for info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock

tom's2005gto

11-06-2007, 07:18 PM

I went to a gun shop today and held the Sig Sauer pmm and the .45. I also held the Springfield and the S&W. I am liking the Springfield.

May buy one tomorrow.

tas

IDNTWN2

11-06-2007, 08:01 PM

I went to a gun shop today and held the Sig Sauer pmm and the .45. I also held the Springfield and the S&W. I am liking the Springfield.

May buy one tomorrow.

tas

Dont hold them. Shoot them. FWIW, the Springfield is my choice for CCW (XD45)

Napoleon_Tanerite

11-06-2007, 08:20 PM

if you're looking for a full size 9mm, give consideration to the Beretta 92FS/M9. It's a bit on the big and bulky side, but is an excellent 9mm pistol, and are 2/3 the price of the Sig, and only slightly more expensive than a Glock, and are a better pistol IMO.

Sun Dog

11-06-2007, 08:27 PM

Dont hold them. Shoot them.

+1 They don't sell too many cars by letting you sit in them.

tom's2005gto

11-07-2007, 03:34 PM

+1 They don't sell too many cars by letting you sit in them.

I don't know about that... I bought 3 with out even sitting in them first.

Feb 06 bought a 1998 Q45 in Arizona
Sep 06 bought a 1967 Camaro in North Carolina
July 07 bought the GTO in Fl.

I bought all three off EBAY, paid for them, flew there and drove home the Q45 and the GTO. Had the Camaro delivered.

But yes... I plan to shoot before I buy, once I find a place to test fire at.

Tom

sloloco

11-07-2007, 08:36 PM

I like cute skinny girls where as my buddy prefers thick girls. My point is, to each his own and like the guys say...it only matters what works for you.

cisco

11-07-2007, 08:52 PM

I purchased a XD45 about a month ago after trying my friend's XD40. Great guns both, but I prefer the .45. The difference in ammo price isn't that significant. Definitely try before you buy though. I am looking at getting a Walther P99 next.

Napoleon_Tanerite

11-07-2007, 09:04 PM

another one to consider is the Beretta PX4 line. They have a 9mm and .40 right now, with a .45 either on the way or already out (havn't been keeping up). I shot a buddy's PX4 9mm and it was my favorite polymer pistol I've ever shot, ahead of XD, Glock, and HK.

julio

11-08-2007, 01:39 PM

I own a Glock 30 and I love it, its reasonably light when you are carrying it, even in your pocket and it doesnt show. Carries 11 .45 bullets in a compact design.

Warren Oates

11-08-2007, 01:44 PM

The open end goes towards the victim?

thedak

11-08-2007, 02:09 PM

I prefer the Sig Sauer P229, Glock was they shyte in the 80's IMO.

http://www.sigsauer.com/images/catalog/product/229 Rleft.jpg

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProduc tDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=63

Nice gun and they shoot nice as well. Only down side is that they are a little heavy.

The Glock 30 is like carrying a brick in your pocket. My off duty is a Glock 39. Small, light and its a 45

2K6 GTO

11-09-2007, 05:10 AM

Oh man, I've just got to throw in my favorite, the Walther P99. It's a Glock on steroids.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Hal8000/3Wa ltherP99s.jpg
All of the others mentioned in this thread are fantastic firearms too. You can't go wrong, it all boils down to personal taste. Have fun, be safe and good luck!

BFEGTO

11-09-2007, 05:41 AM

it really comes down to personal taste and what you are comfortable with. i currently carry a full sized kimber 1911, but am looking for something a lil smaller.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u286/BFEGTO/kim ber002.jpg

2K6 GTO

11-09-2007, 06:17 AM

Heres another picture of my "work horse" Walther P99 with an Alesi holster and my favorite carry rounds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Hal8000/Wal therP99carrygun.jpg

StormSigma

11-09-2007, 06:22 AM

2K6 GTO

11-09-2007, 06:31 AM

jetsiphon

11-09-2007, 07:08 AM

You get what you pay for ;) I've got about at GTO's worth of HK weapons, the slogan does serve the company "No Compromise" :D

Yep, there's "No Compromise" that they hate you and wish you wouldn't buy thier guns. HK would rest easy only selling guns to LEO and .mil. Yep, HK can kiss my ass, they don't want my money, they won't get it.

Langdonious Rex

11-09-2007, 08:08 AM

I love how you guys take all these pics of your guns all arranged like it's in a magazine ad. That rocks, honestly. I'm picking up mine next month (and XD 9 probably) and I know I'll be doing the same. :gr_jest:

Did you know you could go buy the XD40 and order a 9mm barrel and mag and just drop it in? It's true. Same goes with the .357 SIG, except you can use your .40 cal mags because a .357 SIG uses a necked down .40 cal casing. For the .40 to 9mm swap, you'll want to get a softer guide rod spring (It's 12-13 lbs, IIRC). Barrels direct from Springfield were running about $125 for the 4" model. So, for an extra ~$300, you could have 2 more guns on top of the XD40.

uke

11-09-2007, 08:16 AM

The open end goes towards the victim?

No, the open end goes towards the bad guy who wants to kill the victim, saving the victim's life.

Big difference.

StormSigma

11-09-2007, 08:17 AM

Did you know you could go buy the XD40 and order a 9mm barrel and mag and just drop it in? It's true. Same goes with the .357 SIG, except you can use your .40 cal mags because a .357 SIG uses a necked down .40 cal casing. For the .40 to 9mm swap, you'll want to get a softer guide rod spring (It's 12-13 lbs, IIRC). Barrels direct from Springfield were running about $125 for the 4" model. So, for an extra ~$300, you could have 2 more guns on top of the XD40.

No, I didn't know that. How much differently does the XD40 shoot over the 9mm version XD?

uke

11-09-2007, 08:18 AM

I don't know about that... I bought 3 with out even sitting in them first.

Feb 06 bought a 1998 Q45 in Arizona
Sep 06 bought a 1967 Camaro in North Carolina
July 07 bought the GTO in Fl.

I bought all three off EBAY, paid for them, flew there and drove home the Q45 and the GTO. Had the Camaro delivered.

But yes... I plan to shoot before I buy, once I find a place to test fire at.

Tom

Keep in mind that this gun may be the difference between you (or your family) living and dying someday. I'd be DAMN sure I could shoot it comfortably and accurately before buying it.

Brewster

11-09-2007, 08:25 AM

uke

11-09-2007, 08:31 AM

the nice thing about the p99 is the internal double action, that is sweet for carrying, but my glock, i just beat on it, ive prolly shot 10,000 rounds of cheap ass crap, and it still fires perfect.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=61818&d=1183997956

Nice collection! I'm digging the AR15 in the middle. I WILL own one..someday.

What is that rifle in the top left. It looks like some auto machine-pistol. Do you have an auto license (I forget what it's called, Class 3 license?)

2K6 GTO

11-09-2007, 09:23 AM

[QUOTE=Brewster;3371108]the nice thing about the p99 is the internal double action, that is sweet for carrying, but my glock, i just beat on it, ive prolly shot 10,000 rounds of cheap ass crap, and it still fires perfect.QUOTE]
What makes you think I have treated my "work horse" Walther P99 any differently? You have no idea what I've put it through it and it still functions flawlessly. Glocks are great guns (I still have one) but they are not a bit better then the P99, in fact I hazard to say, it just might be the other way around. Let's face it, we have a better selection of handguns right now then any time in history. If your in the market, take your time and select the best that suits your needs and preferences and your going to be happy. Dare I say it? Don't wait too long however our Rights are being stripped from us almost on a daily basis. The ability to just pass a simple back ground test and plop down the money will not be enough before too long. If you wait for the "need" to buy a firearm, you've waited to long.

Brewster

11-09-2007, 09:30 AM

What makes you think I have treated my "work horse" Walther P99 any differently? You have no idea what I've put it through it and it still functions flawlessly. Glocks are great guns (I still have one) but they are not a bit better then the P99, in fact I hazard to say, it just might be the other way around. Let's face it, we have a better selection of handguns right now then any time in history.

oh i agree completly, i love my p99, it just newer and i wasn't gonna say how well it will work 9,000 rounds from now, simply because i haven't shot it that much, its one of my newer guns. i love my p99 and it is a really well built gun. I was just saying from experience, my glock has held up to punishment, i didn't mean to say the others would not hold up just as well or even better.

Brewster

11-09-2007, 09:32 AM

What is that rifle in the top left. It looks like some auto machine-pistol. Do you have an auto license (I forget what it's called, Class 3 license?)

is a semi-auto, you don't need a class three for that, and it's just a mac 10 with a longer barrel and stock.

2K6 GTO

11-09-2007, 09:53 AM

oh i agree completely, i love my p99, it just newer and i wasn't gonna say how well it will work 9,000 rounds from now, simply because i haven't shot it that much, its one of my newer guns. i love my p99 and it is a really well built gun. I was just saying from experience, my glock has held up to punishment, i didn't mean to say the others would not hold up just as well or even better.

Ahh yes... Well, I've beat on my "workhorse" P99 like you have your Glock. Your going to love the Walther in the long run. I can say the same thing for my Sig P226 9mm too. I've got nearly 25K through it with out a bobble. It rattles like a jalopy but shoots straight every time. Some guns are just well designed. I've not put the rounds through my G26 (being smaller it's not as comfortable to shoot like the others) like I have the others, but I have shot it enough to know that it will go "boom" when I pull the trigger. nuff said.

Langdonious Rex

11-09-2007, 11:14 AM

No, I didn't know that. How much differently does the XD40 shoot over the 9mm version XD?

Not much. The .40 cal is a heavier bullet (165 grain vs. 115 grain in your average plinking variety of ammo). The action is nice and tight on the Springfield in general, so the feel of the recoil is not noticably stronger vs the 9mm. If you like the Springfield XD series, you really can't go wrong with any caliber (except the .45 GAP. It's a very sad round). I prefer my XD45 Tactical, but it's not interchangable with the 9mm/.357/.40. I'm lazy and just haven't gotten around to picking up the XD40 and extra barrels. There are too many other guns I want before getting another XD.

tom's2005gto

11-10-2007, 06:09 PM

Well... I went and rented and shot the Springfield XD 9MM today. I like it a lot! Target at 20 feet, first shot dead center in the bullseye. I shot a full box. I really like this gun. I am going back with a friend this week after work, to shot again, I will probably try the sigsauer also. But I do like that the Springfield has the mag release on both sides, as I am left handed.

Tom

Scurvy

11-10-2007, 06:45 PM

the sweet thing about XDs are the frames and slides are interchangeable.

Example:

get a 4 inch .45 with compact frame
get a 5 inch .45 with a full sized frame

mix and match as much as you like.

Example:

Get a compact (not sub-compact) 9mm
Get a full size .40 S&W

Mix and match

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 06:47 PM

You really cant get hurt either way. Do try as many as you can, it will just sell you all the more on one or the other.

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 06:49 PM

Rerum novarum cupidous

(remain unbiased and curious)

StormSigma

11-10-2007, 07:31 PM

I went and shot a new S&M M&P in .45 last night and fell in love.

However, on the way out, they had a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm that I held and fell in love. The gun felt like it was made to fit my hand.

I am getting one next month, just don't know which of the two I'm going with. I didn't shoot the Browning, but I refuse to believe a gun that feels that good could be bad. Anyone have any experience with 'em?

Hurst_CE_TA_C6Z06

11-10-2007, 07:42 PM

Wow cant beleve that no one except the person above me talked about the M&P.

Glock is great but IMO you will want a compatition trigger right off the bat. I could not fire a glock today without one. Just makes the trigger pull feel so much better.

I am a fan of the S&W M&P series. I currently have a M&P 9mm but I am going to get the 40 and 45 as well. Just like the glock it has a poly frame. The one thing over the glock is the changable palm swells. You have 3 sizes to choose from. Tear down is just as easy as the glock. You can change the mag rease for left handed people to the other side. With the 9mm you can hold 17rds in the mag. Lots of aftermarket stuff out for the M&P now. Price with night sights is still less then a 9 in glock.

If you shoot every weekend like me the 9mm is great. Its $18 for 100 rounds. I may shoot 200 a weekend easy. I want to say 45 is like $32 for 100. If your looking for self defense then the 9 is not a good choice. I have 147 gr subsonic rounds for self protection if its ever needed ready to go.

Go and try them all. All have things you may not like. For me right now the M&P is the shit for every weekend use.

tom's2005gto

11-10-2007, 07:46 PM

Hurst_CE_TA_C6Z06

11-10-2007, 08:02 PM

Its really a Caliber Vs Capacity issue. I rather have less shots with more knock down power vs more shots with less power. List goes on and on.

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 08:06 PM

Love the Browning Hi-Power. Choose a S&W over one many years ago because the S&W was a double action. bad mistake. They are fantastic guns, just a little out dated because they are a SA. Just takes a little extra training because of that, but a fine weapon none the less.
With the modern bullets available, the 9mm is a force to recon with. Every caliber has it's advantages and disadvantages. It's a push with proper bullet choice. Hitting your target is the biggest criteria when it comes right down to it. I feel very comfortable with ANY of the major cartridges. You just have got to be able to hit what you are shooting at under pressure. Like Wyatt Earp said; "Shoot deliberately, as quickly as you can".

Hurst_CE_TA_C6Z06

11-10-2007, 08:07 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4yr_cM8kvig

watch this video.

Sun Dog

11-10-2007, 08:16 PM

I'll ask.... why do you feel that a 9mm is not a good choice for self defense?

tas

Just too much testosterone. The 9mm is more than adequate for self defense and great for regular target shooting, which is 99.99999% of gun ownership.

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 08:29 PM

Can't watch the video presently myself, slow dial up, but I can say I've watched quite a few over the years and most of the time the tests are rather inconclusive to say the least. I've seen some test where a .22 magnum hollow point will devastate a melon just a bad as a .45 ball. If a .45 is your only answer, then go for it, but I'd be willing to bet that the right 9mm will take you down if properly placed as any .45 can. It all boils down to "bullet placement". End of story. Don't cut short the lowly 9mm, it might sneak up and bite you on the a$$.
BTW, I have and like my .45's, but for my own quirks and preferences, I most of the time carry my nine.

Hurst_CE_TA_C6Z06

11-10-2007, 08:39 PM

Proper gun ownership is all about "bullet placement". From target to self defense the 10 ring to proper body mass is what someone should be skilled enough to do before carrying.

Napoleon_Tanerite

11-10-2007, 08:41 PM

rather make a smaller hole in the bad guy than a bigger hole in the wall behind him

shot placement > caliber selection

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 08:46 PM

Now we are talking... Nines at their best struggle to make as big of a hole as the .45, then you calibrate in velocity and the picture changes... Bullet placement FTW!

2K6 GTO

11-10-2007, 08:55 PM

Just too much testosterone. I'm not really understanding your statement here... I don't see the difference between talking different gun calibers then from which set of headers is best... Shooting is an equal opportunity sport...

Scurvy

11-10-2007, 09:44 PM

However, on the way out, they had a Browning Hi-Power in 9mm that I held and fell in love. The gun felt like it was made to fit my hand.

I am getting one next month, just don't know which of the two I'm going with. I didn't shoot the Browning, but I refuse to believe a gun that feels that good could be bad. Anyone have any experience with 'em?

I owned a FN hi-power for a while.

The triggers are kinds mushy cause of the magazine disconnect safety(can't be shot w/o a mag in it), if you put some money into them then allegedly the trigger is much much better.

I spent months and months and a lot of rounds trying to get the trigger and grouping under control. I bought my XD45 and instantly shot better with it than the FN so I sold it.

Scurvy

11-10-2007, 09:46 PM

I'll ask.... why do you feel that a 9mm is not a good choice for self defense?

tas

Because the FBI says so hahah

Sun Dog

11-10-2007, 10:34 PM

I'm not really understanding your statement here... I don't see the difference between talking different gun calibers then from which set of headers is best... Shooting is an equal opportunity sport...

Just trying to answer the question of why some think 9mm is inadequate.

Not as macho to have a small one.

If you re-read my post I'm on the same page as you.

uke

11-10-2007, 11:43 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4yr_cM8kvig

watch this video.

If R. Lee Ermey goes with Glock, I ain't gonna argue with him! :D

2K6 GTO

11-11-2007, 05:49 AM

Just trying to answer the question of why some think 9mm is inadequate.

Not as macho to have a small one.

If you re-read my post I'm on the same page as you. I was hoping that it was something like that. My bad, I'm just not firing on all 8. Thanks for explaining it to this old goat.

If R. Lee Ermey goes with Glock, I ain't gonna argue with him! :D Glocks are boot strap tough. My only real complaint about them is the lack of the "second strike" capability. That second strike capability does not seem very important but it is the main reason why they did not meet the Military's criteria to compete when our Military chose the Beretta 92. One has wonder how the Glock would have faired if it had been allowed to compete. With that said, I still have one and will not get rid of it, in fact I would like to have a couple more.<grin>

Scurvy

11-11-2007, 10:19 AM

That second strike capability does not seem very important but it is the main reason why they did not meet the Military's criteria to compete when our Military chose the Beretta 92.

IIRC it was actually no external safety that DQ'd it.

2K6 GTO

11-13-2007, 04:51 AM

IIRC it was actually no external safety that DQ'd it.
Yes, you are right, we are both right. Serving from memory does not serve me well. There were a couple of things that "DQ'd" the Glock from that "test".
As far as the external safety goes, I'll admit that the Glock is one of my few handguns that I won't carry in my "pocket". I don't feel comfortable carrying it with one in the pipe unless it is in a holster that fully encloses the trigger. I read somewhere (here we go again, that old memory thing) that there are more accidental discharges with the Glock then all of the other models put together for "that" very reason...

bookemdano

03-03-2008, 08:21 PM

All the guns mentioned above are great.
but in a high stress situation the last thing
you want is to fiddle around with a safety.

your Adrenalin is pumping so high that you wont remember if it's slide the lever up, or is it slide the lever down.

thats why 80% of law enforcement are issued GLOCKS.

from your local police dept, to the Feds.....