Illinois Gun Carrying In Car

[warriorball28]

Santa came a little bit early this year and brought me my first pistol. I have my FOID card (Firearm owners I.D.) for illinois but we do not have CCW. I am 21 so that shouldnt be a problem, but i was wondering if i could carry it in the goat in the glove compartment or center consule, or even the trunk. The reason why is because i live right on the border of illinois and missouri and work in st. louis and my drive home at 3 a.m. through the hood and north country isnt so pleasant. I just want it in my car for some insurance if anything ever happens....any input will help..thanks

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[MrYenko]

Only if you want Supremo Daley to throw you in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

[Shocker]

I think ur only asking for trouble.

[warriorball28]

yeah i def wouldnt be flashing it by no means...just for in case shit....

is there any legal way i can do this bc we do not have CCW

[MrYenko]

yeah i def wouldnt be flashing it by no means...just for in case shit....

is there any legal way i can do this bc we do not have CCW

Move back to the United States? :dunno:

[warriorball28]

huh..i got confused after that one..i live in illinois, which i think thats still in the united states..lol

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

judged by 12 > carried by 6

i'd say stash it under your seat if you feel the risk to your safety on your commute out weighs your legal risk. don't speed, don't do anything that might get you pulled over and "inspected".

and the comment about moving back to the united states meant that Illinois long ago abandoned the constitution of the United States and instead became their own people's republic, taking their marching orders from the party commisars in Chicago.

[DABLACK1]

it has to be in the trunk unloaded with no mag in gun also no ammo must be loaded in any of the mags

[Scurvy]

yeah i def wouldnt be flashing it by no means...just for in case shit....

is there any legal way i can do this bc we do not have CCW

there's no legal way to do this if you don't have ccw. to keep it in your car it would probably need to be in the trunk or a locked glove compartment, unloaded and no loaded mags anywhere near it.

[unsigned]

Only if you want Supremo Daley to throw you in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

That is pretty much right on. Please read the law and make your own determination.

720 ILCS 5 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?Do cName=072000050HArt%2E+24&ActID=1876&ChapAct=720%A0ILCS%A05%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&SectionID=60752&SeqStart=50300000&SeqEnd=53000000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961%2E)


and http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

[CMNTMXR57]

You must carry the pistol out of reach (in a trunk or other such location) and unloaded with any ammo seperate.

One of mine is in the trunk right now, unloaded.

[speeddemon]

You must carry the pistol out of reach (in a trunk or other such location) and unloaded with any ammo seperate.

One of mine is in the trunk right now, unloaded.
lmao....this country is beginning to sink to an all time low
"oh excuse me mister carjacker I need to get something out of the trunk before you steal my car"

[CMNTMXR57]

I don't make the laws. Commisar Daley in Chicago does. Because you know it's all us legitimate, Illinois State Police background checked, FOID card carrying, law abiding citizens that are the problem.

[CMNTMXR57]

Hello.

I have a CCW in another state, but I have a handy holster setup that is secured to the bottom side of the drivers seat, out of view. I was able to find this on glocktalk.com.

Here is a photo of how it mounts in case you are interested



Once again though, in Illinois, unless properly licensed, you CANNOT have that.

[MrYenko]

Here is a photo of how it mounts in case you are interested



:gr_jest:

You're a bastard... But you win. :D

[GT086]

Hello.

I have a CCW in another state, but I have a handy holster setup that is secured to the bottom side of the drivers seat, out of view. I was able to find this on glocktalk.com.

Here is a photo of how it mounts in case you are interested


People, please pay attention to where the link is actually going. I almost clicked on it. Now about that, can we ban this fool?

[Scurvy]

Hello.

I have a CCW in another state, but I have a handy holster setup that is secured to the bottom side of the drivers seat, out of view. I was able to find this on glocktalk.com.

Here is a photo of how it mounts in case you are interested


enjoy the banhammer.

rick roll links result in teh :ban:

[Scurvy]

People, please pay attention to where the link is actually going. I almost clicked on it. Now about that, can we ban this fool?

i reported make sure u do to

[nesikachad]

Santa came a little bit early this year and brought me my first pistol. I have my FOID card (Firearm owners I.D.) for illinois but we do not have CCW. I am 21 so that shouldnt be a problem, but i was wondering if i could carry it in the goat in the glove compartment or center consule, or even the trunk. The reason why is because i live right on the border of illinois and missouri and work in st. louis and my drive home at 3 a.m. through the hood and north country isnt so pleasant. I just want it in my car for some insurance if anything ever happens....any input will help..thanks

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Obviously, your best bet is to research the law yourself.
This doesn't mean call the local police department. You'll get many different answers and just get more confused.

Police generally are not well versed on firearms law.

In most states if you do NOT have a valid concealed carry permit you are prohibited from transporting a firearm in a vehicle in a loaded condition.

You are usually pretty safe if you keep the firearm in a case with the ammunition stored somewhere that is out of direct reach.

Example. Pistol in its box on the front passenger floor board with ammunition in a bag in the trunk.

An officer would have a pretty difficult time proving your intent to violate the law and/or cause bodily harm in a case like this.

Good luck

[speeddemon]

mother****er I got rick rolled

[Blitzu]

enjoy the banhammer.

rick roll links result in teh :ban:

I took care of him... he exists no more. :D :D

[Scurvy]

I took care of him... he exists no more. :D :D

my hero... I <3 the rick roll - banhammer rule

[gotzaGTO]

The only legal way to carry a gun in your car in Illinois is this. The gun needs to be unloaded and in an approved case (basicly what it came it) in your trunk. The ammo needs to be in a different compartment from the gun, but not in easy access to the driver (i.e. glove box). All of this on top of having your FOID on you. Also too, if you get stopped, let the cop know about the gun. If you don't you could get hooked up for UUW.

[flyer469]

I could never live in a place like that just becasue of the guns laws!

[speeddemon]

when I turn 21 in CT I can carry it on my waist when and where I want anytime ;)

[3rdgenfan]

when I turn 21 in CT I can carry it on my waist when and where I want anytime ;)

If you want to think you live in the south but still want snow, move to South Jersey..

redneck.

[speeddemon]

If you want to think you live in the south but still want snow, move to South Jersey..

redneck.

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damn straight ;)

[MrYenko]

If you want to think you live in the south but still want snow, move to South Jersey..

redneck.

My entire family is from south jersey, except me, and they're all a bunch'a damned yankees... :oldfogey:

[nesikachad]

I love South Dakota.

Concealed carry permit:

Fill out your personal information
Sign your name three times
Pay ten dollars.

Get you permit 72 hrs later.

[malcum]

You could always tell the cop if pulled over that you're a bad guy, ex-felon, on your way to hold up a convenience store, and therefore don't need a CCW license. Might work, or at least the judge will take that into consideration. For God's sake don't ever use that law-abiding, never arrested for anything excuse. :wall:

[barkingspud]

The only legal way to carry a gun in your car in Illinois is this. The gun needs to be unloaded and in an approved case (basicly what it came it) in your trunk. The ammo needs to be in a different compartment from the gun, but not in easy access to the driver (i.e. glove box). All of this on top of having your FOID on you. Also too, if you get stopped, let the cop know about the gun. If you don't you could get hooked up for UUW.

UUW?

[MacDogg]

All these answers sound pretty good, but I find it funny people come here asking questions that could ultimately put them in jail if they follow the wrong answer.
Your best bet is to go to the police station/website and pick up paper work that spells out the state law on this matter.

[barkingspud]

All these answers sound pretty good, but I find it funny people come here asking questions that could ultimately put them in jail if they follow the wrong answer.
Your best bet is to go to the police station/website and pick up paper work that spells out the state law on this matter.

Ummm...Gotza is a Muni LEO here in IL.

[J.E.T.]

All these answers sound pretty good, but I find it funny people come here asking questions that could ultimately put them in jail if they follow the wrong answer.
Your best bet is to go to the police station/website and pick up paper work that spells out the state law on this matter.

Word.........since I'm "from" IL, (key word "from") I'd make absolutely sure about the cc laws there, IF they even have that right. IL sucks big time when it comes to gun laws. They even want you to "register" all your guns with the state or face penalities. Guess they'll know where to show up when the confiscation law is passed.

JET

[CMNTMXR57]

All these answers sound pretty good, but I find it funny people come here asking questions that could ultimately put them in jail if they follow the wrong answer.
Your best bet is to go to the police station/website and pick up paper work that spells out the state law on this matter.

Hmm, I said pretty much the same thing Steve (Gotza) said, as a FOID card carrying, legitimate, registered gun owner in Illinois who so happens to have one in his car and making sure I follow the rules.

Gotza is a LEO in a local suburb. You'd think he might know a thing or two about the "rules".

So no one here in Illinois was giving the "wrong" answer.

[gotzaGTO]

UUW?

unlawfull use of a weapon



Gotza is a LEO in a local suburb. You'd think he might know a thing or two about the "rules".

So no one here in Illinois was giving the "wrong" answer.

word.

[ugapug5150]

Note to self: Never go to IL.

[warriorball28]

haha i liked the last one..."note to self, never go to IL"...yeah our gun laws suck pretty bad...so hopefully ill be moving over to the Missouri soon since i work over there...then i can CCW...thanks for all the input....called my best friends dad who is a police officer and he said as long as its in the trunk unloaded with ammo in glove box and i tell the officer if i get pulled over, they wont say a word....

[thedak]

I would just keep the chamber empty. Keep a full mag though. You will be OK........

[uke]

huh..i got confused after that one..i live in illinois, which i think thats still in the united states..lol

The United States believe in freedom, and the right to defend yourself.

Illinois does not.

You figure it out.

[ugapug5150]

It seems to me the gun laws in IL violate the Constitution.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

It seems to me the gun laws in IL violate the Constitution.

not the only place in the union that ignores the 2nd amendment...


looking at you DC, CA, and NJ!

[chance575]

It seems to me the gun laws in IL violate the Constitution.

The right to bare arms doesnt mean you can drive around with a loaded weapon. Its not like IL has a obscene high crime rate. I can understand it to a point. Last time i checked i believe my car stock could pretty much out run most cars on the road. If your in trouble, just push the go petal.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

The right to bare arms doesnt mean you can drive around with a loaded weapon. Its not like IL has a obscene high crime rate. I can understand it to a point. Last time i checked i believe my car stock could pretty much out run most cars on the road. If your in trouble, just push the go petal.

until you're boxed in, or in a parking lot with the engine off.....

besides, it's been proven time and again that draconian gun laws do NOTHING to reduce crime, and often times encourage crime due to easy pickings.

[unsigned]

The only legal way to carry a gun in your car in Illinois is this. The gun needs to be unloaded and in an approved case (basicly what it came it) in your trunk. The ammo needs to be in a different compartment from the gun, but not in easy access to the driver (i.e. glove box). All of this on top of having your FOID on you. Also too, if you get stopped, let the cop know about the gun. If you don't you could get hooked up for UUW.


UUW even if it is being transported as you described?


Edit: I just read 720 ILCS 5/24-1 again, thinking I had missed something. Is it in a different statute?

[CMNTMXR57]

The United States believe in freedom, and the right to defend yourself.

Illinois does not.

You figure it out.

How does Illinos NOT believe in freedom anymore than the State you reside in? I have guns. Most of my friends have guns and we go to the range regularly. The State of Illinois has not impeded my ability to purchase them or use them.

After the Illinois State Police did a background check on me verified I wasn't some deranged lunatic with a lengthy rap sheet and/or commited any previous crimes that wouldn't allow me to own a handgun, I am then issued a FOID card. I then go purchase them. At that point, I'm held to the same FEDERAL rules anyone else on this forum in any state would be.

If I should ever be faced with the need to discharge any of them into another human being, I am still within my rights to do so, just as you guys are in any other state. While Illinois may be a little more stringent than "other" states, it was done with the intent to protect the masses (whether that happens or not is another story), but since the majority of Illinois's population lives in the Chicago metropolitan area, where most of the crime takes place, cities like Chicago have very strong and very influential pull in Springfield.

Illinois's gestapo laws have not impeded mine, or any LEGITIMATE gun enthusiast from owning a handgun. Period, nada, end of story.

[CMNTMXR57]

until you're boxed in, or in a parking lot with the engine off.....

besides, it's been proven time and again that draconian gun laws do NOTHING to reduce crime, and often times encourage crime due to easy pickings.

And how many times have you (or the average American citizen) been cornered in a parking lot with the engine off, with your life in imminent danger that necessitated the use of such deadly force?

I've been to places on the south and west side of Chicago that would make many people here sh*t a 24k gold brick, and while they were very "tense" situations with me being one of the only white people in a 5 mile radius, never did I feel "cornered", "boxed in" to necessitate such a weapon and use it in a such a deadly fashion.

What your "fear" is, is all a bunch of gobbledy gook to "scare" people into thinking they need to arm themselves to the gills and prepare for WWIII. I'm not saying it "doesn't" happen, but most criminals don't want to be in the spotlight, hence, they aren't going to make a scene, and truth be told, if you keep a low profile and mind your own business, you won't get into trouble in the first place!

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

not the odds dude, it's the stakes. 1 chance in a million still costs you your life. the head in the sand "it can't happen to me" attitude has gotten a LOT of people killed.

Will being armed always save you? no, but i'll take a 50/50 shot of being able to defend myself over a no-shot.

And you are already illustrating how inane IL's policies are. You are obviously a law abiding citizen who is willing to jump through all their BS hoops in order to exercise a supposedly inalienable right. Imagine having to go through the same sort of BS to exercise your freedom of speech or religion?

And what are IL's laws trying to protect you from-- deranged lunatics with guns! do you think they follow all the BS hoop jumping dog and pony shows? OF COURSE NOT! they either steal their guns or buy them illegally in the first place. How many guys on the street packing guns do you think have FOID cards? NONE! The law is a POINTLESS infringement on peoples' right to keep and bear arms, and its intended purpose is to make gun ownership such a PITA that people choose not to own guns in the first place.

And don't get me started on type restrictions based solely on "evil" features... that's even more BULLSHIT that is heaped high and wide from people who know nothing onto people who know even less and will rubber stamp whatever they hear on TV.

[CMNTMXR57]

not the odds dude, it's the stakes. 1 chance in a million still costs you your life. the head in the sand "it can't happen to me" attitude has gotten a LOT of people killed.

Will being armed always save you? no, but i'll take a 50/50 shot of being able to defend myself over a no-shot.

And you are already illustrating how inane IL's policies are. You are obviously a law abiding citizen who is willing to jump through all their BS hoops in order to exercise a supposedly inalienable right. Imagine having to go through the same sort of BS to exercise your freedom of speech or religion?

And what are IL's laws trying to protect you from-- deranged lunatics with guns! do you think they follow all the BS hoop jumping dog and pony shows? OF COURSE NOT! they either steal their guns or buy them illegally in the first place. How many guys on the street packing guns do you think have FOID cards? NONE! The law is a POINTLESS infringement on peoples' right to keep and bear arms, and its intended purpose is to make gun ownership such a PITA that people choose not to own guns in the first place.

And don't get me started on type restrictions based solely on "evil" features... that's even more BULLSHIT that is heaped high and wide from people who know nothing onto people who know even less and will rubber stamp whatever they hear on TV.

And those "odds" are? You've been put in those situations?

And what "inane" laws are you refering to that I need to "jump through hoops to satisfy Illinois" on? Obviously you didn't read one of my last posts that said I'm restricted to the same FEDERAL laws you are. All Illinois does is require a FOID card, which is $15 and an application away. Lot of big hoops to jump through there! :rolleyes:

If I'm going on "odds" as you put it, It's a 3 trillion to 1 set of odds that I'll get carjacked tomorrow, So I need to bring my entire arsenal with me "just in case!"

I'll live with those "odds".

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

And those "odds" are? You've been put in those situations?

And what "inane" laws are you refering to that I need to "jump through hoops to satisfy Illinois" on? Obviously you didn't read one of my last posts that said I'm restricted to the same FEDERAL laws you are. All Illinois does is require a FOID card, which is $15 and an application away. Lot of big hoops to jump through there! :rolleyes:

If I'm going on "odds" as you put it, It's a 3 trillion to 1 set of odds that I'll get carjacked tomorrow, So I need to bring my entire arsenal with me "just in case!"

I'll live with those "odds".

so you're willing to apply for your rights and ask "mother may i"? i'm not. i already HAVE my rights, and no free man has to ask for them. What's involved in the application process? What do they do above and beyond an NCIS check? How long do you wait from application to when you walk home with your desired gun in hand? Do you have permission from big mommy gov't to purchase the gun you want? What if you want an AR-15? What if you want standard capacity magazines for it? OOOOHHH, those are only for the "special" people who are better than you-- you don't "need" that, the gov't has made that determination for you. Free people are not told what they need and do not need. Free people do not have to ask permission to exercise their rights to do something, ESPECIALLY rights guaranteed to them in the constitution. Free people don't need to worry about what means of self defense is legal or not, and free people have the OPTION of defending themselves in the manner in which they see fit. You see fit to be unarmed, that's fine, but a free person would have the ability to see fit to have a loaded pistol on their lap if they so chose.

THAT is why IL is not a free state, whether you accept their nanny state draconian BS or not, they are not a free state, and sadly no state is truly free anymore, though there are definitely varying degrees of freedom still enjoyed in this country by some and denied to others.

[SnyperBob]

so you're willing to apply for your rights and ask "mother may i"? i'm not. i already HAVE my rights, and no free man has to ask for them. What's involved in the application process? What do they do above and beyond an NCIS check? How long do you wait from application to when you walk home with your desired gun in hand? Do you have permission from big mommy gov't to purchase the gun you want? What if you want an AR-15? What if you want standard capacity magazines for it? OOOOHHH, those are only for the "special" people who are better than you-- you don't "need" that, the gov't has made that determination for you. Free people are not told what they need and do not need. Free people do not have to ask permission to exercise their rights to do something, ESPECIALLY rights guaranteed to them in the constitution. Free people don't need to worry about what means of self defense is legal or not, and free people have the OPTION of defending themselves in the manner in which they see fit. You see fit to be unarmed, that's fine, but a free person would have the ability to see fit to have a loaded pistol on their lap if they so chose.

THAT is why IL is not a free state, whether you accept their nanny state draconian BS or not, they are not a free state, and sadly no state is truly free anymore, though there are definitely varying degrees of freedom still enjoyed in this country by some and denied to others.

That's it, we're all moving from IL to Texas so we can drive around in our trucks with gun racks.

/sarcarsm

If you guys really need to live in fear by having tons of guns under your seats and within reach, so be it.

For the rest of us, we'll just be smart enough to not put ourselves in danger that warrants deadly force....

There's too much road rage in IL to facilitate guns in every car.

[nesikachad]

The right to bare arms doesnt mean you can drive around with a loaded weapon. Its not like IL has a obscene high crime rate. I can understand it to a point. Last time i checked i believe my car stock could pretty much out run most cars on the road. If your in trouble, just push the go petal.

Uhm, actually yes it does bud.

To understand this, you must understand the intent behind the 2nd Amendment.

It was never written thinking about you and sonny going squirrel hunting out on the farm.

It was in case our government ever went off the deep end and we (citizens) had enough.

A broad sweeping power with this amendment is given. It's the SECOND amendment, only superseded by the one that lets us run our mouth and choose which God we pray to. It's very stature in the document expresses its importance.

Because it is "militia minded" and not an early gene of the Outdoor Life Channel they (founding fathers) were actually talking about military small arms. If you read about it enough, we as citizens are bound by a civic duty to possess a firearm and be proficient in using it for the sole purpose of defending this land from those who seek to destroy it; be it foreign or domestic. Pretty cut and dry.

So, considering all this and the intent behind this amendment, I feel confident in saying failing to mention packing a 45 in your SUB, says something in itself. It's considered a non issue.

What's the saying? "If Common Sense were Common. . .

If you have a right (not a privilege, a right. A birthright. You get to do this just for being born on this soil) to own and carry a weapon of current military technology, as clearly defined in our constitution, is it realistic to assume they never intended for you to be armed, have the ability to be armed quickly, or be able to transport it as needed?

We keep making more and more laws and rules and before you know it, we've painted ourselves into a corner.

There are literally TONS of legislature on the books regarding gun control. It is so redundant that its become silly. In the end all that happens is decent law abiding folks are limited in their ability to get around and because they are decent and law abiding, they'll tolerate it and tolerate it.

Until one day they don't tolerate it anymore.

I fear this day may be upon us sooner than we realize.

As to your comment about Illinois crime rates: Nebraska (It's fricking NEBRASKA) doesn't have a ridiculous crime rate either and we saw what happened there. Columbine didn't either. This kind of stuff happens anywhere/anytime thats what needs to be realized. Predicting it is like predicting where the ball lands on the roulette table.

There's a reason why its called roulette. . .


Ok, I'll shut up and put my Nomex Coveralls on.

[nesikachad]

That's it, we're all moving from IL to Texas so we can drive around in our trucks with gun racks.

/sarcarsm

If you guys really need to live in fear by having tons of guns under your seats and within reach, so be it.

For the rest of us, we'll just be smart enough to not put ourselves in danger that warrants deadly force....

There's too much road rage in IL to facilitate guns in every car.

Funny. The last thing I feel as I walk in a mall with a loaded 45 shoved in my junk is fear.

I guess the folks in the shopping mall were ignorant then. I hope one day to have your wisdom and trained eye sir.

Ever consider that perhaps the road rage would back off a notch if everyone knew that everyone was/is armed?

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Freedom is having the ability to do something and chosing not to

Just because you wouldn't do it anyway doesn't mean that you still have the same freedom, it just means that you've rationalized your own subjection to the power of the gov't. That the exact OPPOSITE intent of the constitution as a whole, not just the 2nd amendment. The gov't is and should always be subject to the people, NOT the other way around.

[SnyperBob]

Funny. The last thing I feel as I walk in a mall with a loaded 45 shoved in my junk is fear.

I guess the folks in the shopping mall were ignorant then. I hope one day to have your wisdom and trained eye sir.

Ever consider that perhaps the road rage would back off a notch if everyone knew that everyone was/is armed?

I'm not sure what your present status is. Your profile lists that you are presently in Iraq. I would assume this means your trained in using your weapon(s).

I see someone like you as not a threat, but an asset to have walking around packing heat. Same for a police officers, etc... You know what you're doing, and you can (hopefully) do it well.

I just don't believe that every Joe Blow that doesn't know the first thing about gun control (use both hands?), walking around with 50 caliber Deagles. There's no sense turning every public place into the wild west.

For instance, my self. If I was allowed to carry a loaded weapon in the cab, or on my person....I would use it. Obviously I wouldn't know what I'm doing. I wouldn't think about my backdrop, and most likely end up cappin everyone but the one I'm aiming at.

But, just like anything, some laws are made to be broken :)

PS - I still can't believe that idiot in Chicago that found a MINT Tommy gun with tons of ammo hidden in his old house's walls during a remodel, and just turned it over to the cops. Fkr was worth over a $million due to the condition...

[slacker]

I love South Dakota.

Concealed carry permit:

Fill out your personal information
Sign your name three times
Pay ten dollars.

Get you permit 72 hrs later.

72 hours? i got mine on the spot chad. i must be special. SD gun laws FTW!!!!! i have a locked and loaded ar-15 in the back window of my pickup and the 9mm is also locked and loaded in the door lol.

[nesikachad]

72 hours? i got mine on the spot chad. i must be special. SD gun laws FTW!!!!! i have a locked and loaded ar-15 in the back window of my pickup and the 9mm is also locked and loaded in the door lol.


Took me 3 days. Maybe cause I flagged on the NICS check due to having a clearance. Dunno.

[slacker]

who knows lol

[nesikachad]

I'm not sure what your present status is. Your profile lists that you are presently in Iraq. I would assume this means your trained in using your weapon(s).

I see someone like you as not a threat, but an asset to have walking around packing heat. Same for a police officers, etc... You know what you're doing, and you can (hopefully) do it well.

I just don't believe that every Joe Blow that doesn't know the first thing about gun control (use both hands?), walking around with 50 caliber Deagles. There's no sense turning every public place into the wild west.

For instance, my self. If I was allowed to carry a loaded weapon in the cab, or on my person....I would use it. Obviously I wouldn't know what I'm doing. I wouldn't think about my backdrop, and most likely end up cappin everyone but the one I'm aiming at.

But, just like anything, some laws are made to be broken :)

PS - I still can't believe that idiot in Chicago that found a MINT Tommy gun with tons of ammo hidden in his old house's walls during a remodel, and just turned it over to the cops. Fkr was worth over a $million due to the condition...

I guess that is core issue.

Personal responsibility. Just as I would not jump into the cockpit of a 747 and start flipping switches and cranking up engines, a person should not go sporting a pocket rocket without investing the time to become proficient in operating it.

Still, a guy must fall back on the fundamental reason for owning and carrying a firearm in this country.

It's clearly spelled out in the constitution. Perhaps I'm reaching but to me I make the connection that I should (that I have the obligation) be proficient with it.

[SnyperBob]

Just remember, if you run you only die tired

SnyperBob

[gotzaGTO]

UUW even if it is being transported as you described?


Edit: I just read 720 ILCS 5/24-1 again, thinking I had missed something. Is it in a different statute?

there are a few and its confusing. The transportation statute says that the gun has to be concealed in a container, so a paper bag would sufice, but the gamming statutes says that the gun has to be in an approved container..... so the whole transporting the gun in a crazy way is all from the gamming laws.... And the UUW statute does not cover transporting, but case law (sorry forgot the case) basicly states that if one is carrying a loaded gun within reach in a vehicle, they are unlawfully using it, even though they aren't "using" it.... This state sux.

To everyone else, I am not going to bash anyone, but law class 101 states that any State in the United States can provide greater protection in the law than the Consitution provies. i.e. you can have a gun in Illinois, but Illinois can make it "safer" for their citizens by way of the carrying restrictions. Same goes for Countys and Towns in the United States. Think of curfew, most towns have a more strict curfew than the County you live in, but its not un-consitutional because its adding protection to its citizens. The only things States on down cannot do is take away protection under the law.

If it were me, everyone would be able to carry. I'm a cop and I'm all for conceal and carry. If the bad guys can have a gun (and they do), why can't the law abiding citizen???

[nesikachad]

there are a few and its confusing. The transportation statute says that the gun has to be concealed in a container, so a paper bag would sufice, but the gamming statutes says that the gun has to be in an approved container..... so the whole transporting the gun in a crazy way is all from the gamming laws.... And the UUW statute does not cover transporting, but case law (sorry forgot the case) basicly states that if one is carrying a loaded gun within reach in a vehicle, they are unlawfully using it, even though they aren't "using" it.... This state sux.

To everyone else, I am not going to bash anyone, but law class 101 states that any State in the United States can provide greater protection in the law than the Consitution provies. i.e. you can have a gun in Illinois, but Illinois can make it "safer" for their citizens by way of the carrying restrictions. Same goes for Countys and Towns in the United States. Think of curfew, most towns have a more strict curfew than the County you live in, but its not un-consitutional because its adding protection to its citizens. The only things States on down cannot do is take away protection under the law.

If it were me, everyone would be able to carry. I'm a cop and I'm all for conceal and carry. If the bad guys can have a gun (and they do), why can't the law abiding citizen???


I think this is textbook example to painting ourselves into a corner. . .

[brgriffi]

If you guys really need to live in fear by having tons of guns under your seats and within reach, so be it.

For the rest of us, we'll just be smart enough to not put ourselves in danger that warrants deadly force....

There's too much road rage in IL to facilitate guns in every car.

Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your kitchen because you're constantly in fear of your stove bursting into flames? Are you not smart enough not to set your house on fire?

Or do you simply want the right tool for the job should the situation arise?

The Supreme Court is going to be ruling on DC's handgun ban next year. I'm sure it will have implications for Chicago's.

[brgriffi]

I'm not sure what your present status is. Your profile lists that you are presently in Iraq. I would assume this means your trained in using your weapon(s).

I see someone like you as not a threat, but an asset to have walking around packing heat. Same for a police officers, etc... You know what you're doing, and you can (hopefully) do it well.

I just don't believe that every Joe Blow that doesn't know the first thing about gun control (use both hands?), walking around with 50 caliber Deagles. There's no sense turning every public place into the wild west.

For instance, my self. If I was allowed to carry a loaded weapon in the cab, or on my person....I would use it. Obviously I wouldn't know what I'm doing. I wouldn't think about my backdrop, and most likely end up cappin everyone but the one I'm aiming at.

But, just like anything, some laws are made to be broken :)

PS - I still can't believe that idiot in Chicago that found a MINT Tommy gun with tons of ammo hidden in his old house's walls during a remodel, and just turned it over to the cops. Fkr was worth over a $million due to the condition...

There's a big problem with that line of thought. In every place with CCW laws, that simply doesn't happen. A bunch of people who know nothing about guns aren't going to run out to by them just because they can carry now. Bars and streets don't turn into Wild West showdown scenes. It just doesn't happen.

I don't think anyone in here is advocating giving guns to everyone or making guns mandatory. They simply want to be able to exercise their rights.