Gun Free Zone Liability Act!

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

here's something that's been floating around the AZ state legislature:

AN ACT AMENDING TITLE 13, CHAPTER 31, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES BY ADDING A NEW SECTION.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Title 13, Chapter 31, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
adding new section 13-3119:

A.R.S. §13-3119. Gun-Free-Zone Liability.

A. Any person, organization or entity, or any agency of government that creates a gun-free zone shall be liable for damages resulting from criminal conduct that occurs against an individual in such gun-free zone, if a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped the individual defend against such conduct. In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply.

B. For the purposes of this section, criminal conduct shall include offenses specified under this title in Chapter 11 (Homicide), Chapter 12 (Assault and Related Offenses), Chapter 13 (Kidnapping), Chapter 14 (Sexual Offenses), Chapter 15 (Criminal Trespass and Burglary), Chapter 17 (Arson), Chapter 19 (Robbery), Chapter 25 (Escape and Related Offenses), Chapter 29 (Offenses Against Public Order) and Chapter 36 (Family Offenses).

C. For the purposes of this section, the term "gun-free zone" shall mean any building, place, area or curtilage that is open to the public, or in or upon any public conveyance, where a person's right or ability to keep arms or to bear arms is infringed, restricted or diminished in any way by statute, policy, rule, regulation, ordinance, utterance or posted signs.


I like it! Maybe just maybe it will put a stop to the inane belief that defenseless people are safer than people who are equipped and able to defend themselves.

[StormSigma]

In before the lock, hell yeah!

[Beachernaut]

:bubbrubAn armed society is a polite society.

[tmiller]

"In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply."

I'm not getting this part. Maybe my brain isn't working...

[canttouchthis]

Guess this would include schools and collages......and what about the capital buildings or government offices…….

[Napalm]

Great Idea, but doesn't help you if you get killed in a gun free zone.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Great Idea, but doesn't help you if you get killed in a gun free zone.

true, but the intent is to discourage that foolishness in the first place.

personally i try to avoid GFZs or ignore them if i think i can get away with it.

i've said it in many threads in the past, and it bears repeating once again:

judged by 12 > carried by 6

If you do it right, nobody ever needs to know you're armed unless you actually have to use it.

[MrYenko]

If you do it right, nobody ever needs to know you're armed unless you actually have to use it.

And then, you get to make the police and courts look like jackasses for prosecuting you for saving your own life.

[Midnight]

Just like most "governmental controls", gun free zones "sound" wonderful. And then you start to think about it in terms of a "free market". IF I want to steal something in a GFZ, THEN I need a set of brass balls and a weapon. In other words, human behavior will find a way to negotiate the rules in order to realize the desired outcome. Hmmmm.... GFZs don't really work then do they? :banghead:

As much as I hate the thought, the more I think about this, I want one of the adults at my childern's schools to be armed as a measure of defense. I never thought I would think that, but given the amount of random violence happening today, I agree with that logic more and more. Unfortunately. :(

I'm not to the point where I want to carry, yet, but I am getting closer and closer to it every day. Again, unfortunately. :(

[Scurvy]

Just like most "governmental controls", gun free zones "sound" wonderful.

Yes because the gov't would like you to believe that a criminal will listen to a little sticker that says no guns.

A criminal by definition is someone who doesn't adhere to laws, and yet we create laws that are intended to be followed by all even though that ones you want to follow ir most of all are the ones who by definition will not.

Makes a ton of sense.

I mean come on. Didn't that kid from Virginia Tech know it was a GUN FREE ZONE. I can't believe that sign didn't stop him.

Luby's cafeteria was a "gun free zone" and looked what happened in that situation

[Midnight]

Yes because the gov't would like you to believe that a criminal will listen to a little sticker that says no guns.

A criminal by definition is someone who doesn't adhere to laws, and yet we create laws that are intended to be followed by all even though that ones you want to follow ir most of all are the ones who by definition will not.

Makes a ton of sense.

I mean come on. Didn't that kid from Virginia Tech know it was a GUN FREE ZONE. I can't believe that sign didn't stop him.

Luby's cafeteria was a "gun free zone" and looked what happened in that situation
:iagree: Unfortunately. :(

[2K6 GTO]

"In the event the conduct is a result of a terrorist attack as federally defined, or adversely affects a disabled person, a person who is a member of a minority as federally defined, a senior citizen or a child under 16 years of age, treble damages shall apply."

I'm not getting this part. Maybe my brain isn't working...

Yeah, I’m not too hyped up on the language either, but I do agree with it principle.
GFZ’s need to provide protection for those they have denied the right of protecting themselves. Being that a gun would be required to do so, then by definition they would not be “Gun Free” zones.
People just need to get over the fact that guns are not evil; it’s those who misuse guns that are evil.


StormSigma, we have had many discussions on this board about guns and so called gun control without them being locked. Each and every person was civil; there is no reason that this thread should be any different.

[thunder550]

I'm glad to see this, hopefully it will make some headway in the AZ legal system. I'm going to be applying for my ccw in January, so I've really started to take an interest in this kind of stuff. I agree though, every person I've talked to who goes about carrying in a LEGAL manner realizes the power of the weapon he/she is carrying and respects it. A lot of people look at those who carry guns as vigilantes and as a threat to society, but once you get into it you realize that these people are generally very responsible and the only time you will even know that they are packing is when they are forced to use their gun to defend themselves or someone else.

[Veritasatis]

here's something that's been floating around the AZ state legislature:




I like it! Maybe just maybe it will put a stop to the inane belief that defenseless people are safer than people who are equipped and able to defend themselves.

The bill is not real and is not under consideration. A similar version was proposed about five years ago, but failed. The "bill" you quoted was put together as a pipe dream by a pro-gun activist. It has not been proposed as a bill, and likely would not pass, again, if it was proposed.

Spreading false internet rumors FTL.

[2K6 GTO]

And then, you get to make the police and courts look like jackasses for prosecuting you for saving your own life.

If a bad law backfires enough times in their faces, maybe they would be more helpful in getting some of the bad laws (that a good part of them are unconstitutional anyway) changed. Truth be known, they are probably not happy with a good majority of the so called gun control laws themselves.
Your comment reminds me of a saying: I’d rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

my wife is a teacher in a "gun free" high school. scares the crap out of me because i know the only people on that campus who would be armed would be the ones seeking to do harm to others. who can stop such an individual? reason and logic do not stop them. history has shown that there are two outcomes for a mass shooting scenario:

1. the attacker runs out of ammo and/or victims and either kills himself/herself, or surrenders

2. the attacker is killed by someone else, either police or an armed citizen.

I'm not saying to hand out guns to everyone whether they want them or not. I'm saying the OPTION should be available to all who wish to exercise it.

[thunder550]

The bill is not real and is not under consideration. A similar version was proposed about five years ago, but failed. The "bill" you quoted was put together as a pipe dream by a pro-gun activist. It has not been proposed as a bill, and likely would not pass, again, if it was proposed.

Spreading false internet rumors FTL.

Well that's a bummer.

[2K6 GTO]

The bill is not real and is not under consideration. A similar version was proposed about five years ago, but failed. The "bill" you quoted was put together as a pipe dream by a pro-gun activist. It has not been proposed as a bill, and likely would not pass, again, if it was proposed.

Spreading false internet rumors FTL.

The bill may not be real, but something like it might be in the future. I’ve thought about a GFZ’s reliability before. If somebody that’s looses a loved one ever considers that due to no protection provided to them by the “responsible parties” of the GFZ, then a law suit is going to follow. Once it happens a few times, things will change. Once the mighty “dollar” gets involved, GFZ’s might become a thing of the past and carrying a gun may be looked upon more like “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

[Sicky]

Looks like it's being re-introduced for 2008.
http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=55022

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Looks like it's being re-introduced for 2008.
http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=55022



VINDICATION FTW!!:wiggle:

[Veritasatis]

VINDICATION FTW!!:wiggle:

Read his link article, which is written by a pro-gun activist, carefully. The bill has not been introduced. Pro-gun activists, who wrote the "sample" legislation you quoted, are trying to get it introduced by asking others to write their legislators asking them to introduce the bill. It has not been introduced as of yet.