Shotguns: Post your cool ones.

[axles of evil]

A friend of mine is looking for a "small" shotgun for "home defense"... personally i think a shotgun for home defense is a little dumb as I'm partial to handguns and AR15 style rifles but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I think he's thinking along the lines of a SWAT style of shotgun, but idk what would qualify... any ideas ?

[cobol]

A friend of mine is looking for a "small" shotgun for "home defense"... personally i think a shotgun for home defense is a little dumb as I'm partial to handguns and AR15 style rifles but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I think he's thinking along the lines of a SWAT style of shotgun, but idk what would qualify... any ideas ?

i think the main idea behind shotgun for home defense is the close quarters and less chance of hitting your neighbors. Plus that sound s they make alone would enough to scare most intruders away.

[axles of evil]

i think the main idea behind shotgun for home defense is the close quarters and less chance of hitting your neighbors. Plus that sound s they make alone would enough to scare most intruders away.

true... but if you blasted someone next to a wall, it could be quite likely to go through it and hit the very things yorue trying to protect. Granted this could also happen with a handgun, but because they dont spray buckshot all over the place, the odds are slightly lower.

[jgm74]

Just get double ott buck, Bigger pellets and less spread.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

i think the main idea behind shotgun for home defense is the close quarters and less chance of hitting your neighbors. Plus that sound s they make alone would enough to scare most intruders away.

BS.

[speeddemon]

BS.
bolt going home on an AR or AK varient>shotgun

[Razinhell]

In a lot of states getting a shotgun just means you need to wait some set period of days and then you can pick it up. Getting a handgun in some states is harder then winning lotto.

[reaper68]

Say it with me #4 buck pretty much your best in home load. It will lose alot of energy in a wall and probably not kill your kid in the next room unlike a .357 or .223. It also has enough force to pretty much put anything down in your house with one shot. Just a thought

[Phantompooper]

Ever tried to hit a moving target in a low-light situation? That's where a spread shines.

[echo6oscar]

Her's one I bought a month or so ago.
http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/14/ 008/56/FB/44/38/mM978Qy6BebUvcJuT7OAkhvEv3dSl8vJ02 40.jpg

Went to the range two weeks ago to shoot it. First 5 shots were with 3 inch magnum load slugs. Holy crap after the first 2 shots I decided that I will only shoot 2 3/4 in shells from this one.

[2K6 GTO]

The sound of a pump shotgun getting a round shucked into the chamber is a distinct and ominous sound. In our situation (click on the link in my signature), it was only after I shucked a round into my shotgun that the perp left. And that was after I had peppered the wall he was standing behind with my handgun. Maybe it was because he knew there was now more than one gun he was up against, but I think it was just "that" sound that set him to his heels... Make NO mistake about it, when you here that "shuck-shuck", you know exactly what your up against, be afraid, be very afraid.

[speeddemon]

The sound of a pump shotgun getting a round shucked into the chamber is a distinct and ominous sound. In our situation (click on the link in my signature), it was only after I shucked a round into my shotgun that the perp left. And that was after I had peppered the wall he was standing behind with my handgun. Maybe it was because he knew there was now more than one gun he was up against, but I think it was just "that" sound that set him to his heels... Make NO mistake about it, when you here that "shuck-shuck", you know exactly what your up against, be afraid, be very afraid.
holy fucking shit

[barkingspud]

The sound of a pump shotgun getting a round shucked into the chamber is a distinct and ominous sound. In our situation (click on the link in my signature), it was only after I shucked a round into my shotgun that the perp left. And that was after I had peppered the wall he was standing behind with my handgun. Maybe it was because he knew there was now more than one gun he was up against, but I think it was just "that" sound that set him to his heels... Make NO mistake about it, when you here that "shuck-shuck", you know exactly what your up against, be afraid, be very afraid.

Holy shit! That is an amazing story. You and your family handled that situation perfectly. I agree with you. The sound of a pump action shotgun being loaded is one of the most menacing sounds that can be identified by virtually anyone.

[Johnny Avacado]

I'm partial to my Russian Saiga-12. Its awesome shooting clays with it.

http://club.guns.ru/images/saiga12p.jpg

[Midnight Goat]

I have a mossberg 590 with folding stock and ghost ring sights. It is a VERY nice shotgun for home defense. I also have an ar-15 but the shotgun is my go to gun. I have a couple of different loads on the side saddle for different situations. Would like to get a handgun soon but New york state makes it a failfest to get one.

[Fastmofo]

I heart the Remingtons and Mossbergs especially ones that are all CQB set up. I don't have one yet, just a single shot 10 gauge with 3" magnum shells..
My fave shotty is this Beretta.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6750458630308006678

[oodn-oodn]

I agree about the magnum loads being brutal, 'specially with no shoulder stock. I put a pistol grip on my Winchester defender once, 3 rounds later I'd had enough & put the shoulder stock back on. Ouch! Plus, I couldn't point it fer crap with the pistol grip. A shoulder stock, even when not up against my shoulder, makes a shotgun inherently more pointable for me.

I keep birdshot in my house gun (aforementioned Winchester). Even less chance of birdshot doing collateral damage, but still real unpleasant to be downrange of inside the house.

I agree that a shotgun is THE go to gun for home defense.

[oodn-oodn]

By the way, take your 18" riot gun skeet shooting sometime. Great fun will ensue! You can pretty much kill skeets with your eyes closed, & with 8 rounds in the pipe, you can take out a whole flock of skeets at once.

[machinistone]

The sound of a pump shotgun getting a round shucked into the chamber is a distinct and ominous sound. In our situation (click on the link in my signature), it was only after I shucked a round into my shotgun that the perp left. And that was after I had peppered the wall he was standing behind with my handgun. Maybe it was because he knew there was now more than one gun he was up against, but I think it was just "that" sound that set him to his heels... Make NO mistake about it, when you here that "shuck-shuck", you know exactly what your up against, be afraid, be very afraid.


My hat's off to you Sir for protecting your family so well. Too many people are willing to be victims these days.

[machinistone]

I think pretty much any LEO you talk to will say that the shotgun is the most effective home defense weapon.

[elpuerco]

This has been posted up before, but we might as well rehash it... mainly because it's the sickest shotgun EVAR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[Enginerd]

The sound of a pump shotgun getting a round shucked into the chamber is a distinct and ominous sound. In our situation (click on the link in my signature), it was only after I shucked a round into my shotgun that the perp left. And that was after I had peppered the wall he was standing behind with my handgun. Maybe it was because he knew there was now more than one gun he was up against, but I think it was just "that" sound that set him to his heels... Make NO mistake about it, when you here that "shuck-shuck", you know exactly what your up against, be afraid, be very afraid.

What a terrible ordeal...

[seewiz]

true... but if you blasted someone next to a wall, it could be quite likely to go through it and hit the very things yorue trying to protect. Granted this could also happen with a handgun, but because they dont spray buckshot all over the place, the odds are slightly lower.

No. You use a 1 oz load of birdshot (dove and quail loads), 71/2 pellets, 1200 FPS. Dead intruder. The pellets shed their energy very rapidly. MUCH safer in the home than any pistol or rifle.

[chance575]

wilson combat makes some great models
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/index_sgt.htm
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/shotguns/professional/ large/10.jpg

[seewiz]

ANY 12 or 20 gage pump will do the trick in a home. The sound of the action being racked will stop most goblins in their tracks.
Use Dove and Quail loads; 1 oz of 7 1/2 pellets moving at 1200 FPS puts 2 times the energy of a large caliber handgun on your target at normal home engagement ranges (say 8-15 feet) without the over penetration of handguns and rifles. The only drawback is the typically longer barrels of hunting shotguns. So...
Go ahead and buy a relatively inexpensive Mossburg "defender" style 12 ga. and throw away that useless pistol grip. Seriously. INTO the trash.
Ignore the people advocating 00 buck, thats too heavy a "pellet" inside the house. Without bothering to look it up, I believe it's a .32 caliber. It's called BUCK (as in deer) for a reason.
Ignore the fancy and very expensive combat or tactical style shotguns unless you
1) feel the overwhelming need to spend the BIG $$ and
2) want some jury being told you're some kind of "Rambo" wackjob who layed in wait for the poor innocent B&E artist (who as we all know ladies and gentlemen of the jury entered the DEFENDANT'S [you not him] home by accident when said Rambo wackjob committed a totally unjustified and murderous pre-meditated act of meyhem and violence.") Besides, for your needs they are NO MORE EFFECTIVE and allot more expensive.
I use a Remington 870 with a magazine extension and a 20 in cylinder bore barrel myself. When I hunt I change out the barrel and magazine extender.

[2K6 GTO]

Thank you gentlemen. I tend to believe that there are more people, like in this thread that are willing to stand up for them selves than what we would generally be led to believe. I stand as proof of that. I'm sure any of you would/could of done something similar to have protected your loved ones. I am the average ordinary guy.
Almost any of the shotguns today will serve the purpose of self defense. It's probably the best answer in both capability and cost for home defense. Bird shot will provide the same, if not better stopping power at close range, with out the over penetration that large pellets would do. Bird shot will take the face off of any ill intend intruder, stopping them literally dead in their tracks. It's a horrible thing to contemplate, but it's far better to happen to them than any member of your Family, including your dog. Ultimately, it's not the gun that makes one dangerous, it's your mind set. You have to decide ahead of time whether or not you are going to become a victim or not. If the time (pray to your God it doesn't) ever comes for you to act in self defense, it makes no difference if you have a Remington, a Mossberg or a Winchester in your hands; can you, will you, pull that trigger?
The thoughts that run trough your mind in an emergency situation are sooo complex and wide that it will make you "pause" in your actions. The only way to get around this momentary delay, which can defeat your intended purpose is to preplan given scenarios. Firefighters do this, as do Police officers and our Military. Then and only then are you "prepared" to defend your self/loved ones. Important decisions need to be made ahead of time such as; could there be anybody on the other side of that wall? If your answer is "yes" then "can I place myself in a better position to shoot safely?" Ask your self questions, like "how close or when would I decide it's time to shoot?" Consider an exit route. What if my G**damn gun jams! Even, what if I don't have the luxury of getting to my gun? What then? How will I stop this bad person from hurting my Family? Preplanning Gentlemen/Ladies, is the most important factor in your survival, not the tool in which you use to achieve it. It's the "mind set" that will save you and your loved ones lives. Bottom line, it's no different than driving defensively. Drive safely!

[TJay74]

I too am in the same boat as I am looking for a decent home defense shot gun. I have several .40 handguns and when me and the wife are home that is fine. I also have a Ar15 as well, but like was said the .223 round has too much potential to penatrate walls and either hit people you dont want to hit or hit neighbors homes.

A shot gun is the more prefered solutionas said the load variety and spread all work in your advantage in not hitting innocent bystandards.

[RyanGTO]

I've always loved the Benelli M1 super 90. Semi auto shotguns FTW. You just don't get the "clack-clack" of a pump gun, but who can argue with unloading eight rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z226/ryangto/m1 sandp.jpg

[Fastmofo]

I've always loved the Benelli M1 super 90. Semi auto shotguns FTW. You just don't get the "clack-clack" of a pump gun, but who can argue with unloading eight rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger.

Another on my wish list...

[barkingspud]

ANY 12 or 20 gage pump will do the trick in a home. The sound of the action being racked will stop most goblins in their tracks.
Use Dove and Quail loads; 1 oz of 7 1/2 pellets moving at 1200 FPS puts 2 times the energy of a large caliber handgun on your target at normal home engagement ranges (say 8-15 feet) without the over penetration of handguns and rifles. The only drawback is the typically longer barrels of hunting shotguns. So...
Go ahead and buy a relatively inexpensive Mossburg "defender" style 12 ga. and throw away that useless pistol grip. Seriously. INTO the trash.
Ignore the people advocating 00 buck, thats too heavy a "pellet" inside the house. Without bothering to look it up, I believe it's a .32 caliber. It's called BUCK (as in deer) for a reason.
Ignore the fancy and very expensive combat or tactical style shotguns unless you
1) feel the overwhelming need to spend the BIG $$ and
2) want some jury being told you're some kind of "Rambo" wackjob who layed in wait for the poor innocent B&E artist (who as we all know ladies and gentlemen of the jury entered the DEFENDANT'S [you not him] home by accident when said Rambo wackjob committed a totally unjustified and murderous pre-meditated act of meyhem and violence.") Besides, for your needs they are NO MORE EFFECTIVE and allot more expensive.
I use a Remington 870 with a magazine extension and a 20 in cylinder bore barrel myself. When I hunt I change out the barrel and magazine extender.

You sir are very familiar with close quarters combat. This all brings up memories of when I was training....

I typically had mine ready with squirrel shot for the first two rounds and went up the ladder to bird shot, 00 buck then 000 buck then finally a single slug round.

Winchester Defender here....

[Bigdave]

This is my 12ga arsenal it's modest but effective.
77387

77388

77389

[boraxman]

Remington 1187 Police

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/boraxman/IM G_2770.jpg

[Midnight Goat]

Heres my 590

http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachment id=77396&stc=1&d=1203882073
http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachment id=77397&stc=1&d=1203882078

My buddy has a remmy 870 and Its very nice also.

[Enginerd]

Why waste time loading when you can be shooting? :)

7+1, autoloading Mossberg 930 SPX

http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachment id=77441&stc=1&d=1203918019

http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachment id=77442&stc=1&d=1203918026

[DeepBlueZ]

stock photo, but this is the one I have...

Mossberg 590 (9 shell capacity!)

http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/N ew/50663.jpg

[seewiz]

Automatic shotguns are pretty, but so are Saleens.
The problem with the pure semi-auto shotgun is the fatal possibility that it may jam. They will when it is least helpful. I've jammed the bolt carrier on pump 870 on a loose pellet in the field. I cleared it with brute force. It can happen to any shotgun, but auto's are far more sensitive to a variety of factors. And less forgiving. I would not have been able to clear an auto without some tear-down. So do you want to wager the lives and safety of your family, yourself, and your home on the wrong tool?
You will notice that the combat/tactical auto's can be pumped. That blends the speed of loading and firing of the auto with the robust reliability of the pump.
Ahh, I can see all the guys who bought the combat/tactical pump/auto's with synthetic stocks and fancy sights nodding their heads and thinking "I fliping told you so!" Don't get ahead of me here please. They are great war-fighter's tools. That's why California outlaws them; they LOOK mean and nasty. BUT. Boy that's a big but huh? I did it to get your attention. Don't get swallowed up by show and flash here like the California legislature did. They are no more effective for defending your HOME than my Remington 870, a Mossburg defender, a Winchester pump, or an over and under Ruger Red Label. That old side-by-side of your Grandfather's will work. Why you ask? Because the odds of you dumping eight rapid rounds of 12 gage in you home are kinda low. I pray you won't have to pull the trigger even once but if you do you will probably fire one or two times.
The ONLY real and true advantage the combat style shotguns have over a hunting shotgun is length. The home defender shotguns are short.
AND they have the capacity.
AND they are relatively inexpensive.
Remember if you are unfortunate enough to have use it, you're going to lose it too. The LEO's are going to take it as evidence. Period. It's going to be a hell of a struggle to get it back. You may NEVER get it back. So save your money unless you just gotta have that very expensive pretty folding synthetic stocked pistol gripped matte black weapon. BTW what do you generally see for shotguns in Police Cars? And it's not just cost that was the final deciding factor in that choice, it's also reliability.
Of course when the dust and your stomach have settled, an asshole Prosecutor and ignorant jury just may look askance at said weapon and think very bad very ignorant things about you defending yourself with it. Just what you need after the terror of legitimately using it to protect the ones you love, right?
A shotgun that "looks" less menacing but is just as effective and far less expensive may a better call in the PC politics of the aftermath.
Whichever you choose it doesn't matter if you don't know how to use it and lack the will to pull the trigger. Plan. 2K6 GTO said all that needs to be said there I think. Save the heaves for afterwards. Go put on fresh underwear.

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[Scurvy]

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[bookemdano]

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[Scurvy]

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[TXRaider]

+1 for shotguns as home defense.

I like pistols, and can shoot decent, but I guarente you I'm not gonna miss with my 12 ga ;)

Good post by seewiz... I too just don't understand those pistol grips. Probably because I've been shouldering a gun since I was 6. A standard stock feels right. Ok, so I do have 3 1/2 Magnum rounds with #1 goose loads in the mag. But I'm alone in the house, and if I shoot twice I WANT TO FIRE THROUGH THE WALL!!!!

[Bumpin' Yota]

Thank you gentlemen. I tend to believe that there are more people, like in this thread that are willing to stand up for them selves than what we would generally be led to believe. I stand as proof of that. I'm sure any of you would/could of done something similar to have protected your loved ones. I am the average ordinary guy.
Almost any of the shotguns today will serve the purpose of self defense. It's probably the best answer in both capability and cost for home defense. Bird shot will provide the same, if not better stopping power at close range, with out the over penetration that large pellets would do. Bird shot will take the face off of any ill intend intruder, stopping them literally dead in their tracks. It's a horrible thing to contemplate, but it's far better to happen to them than any member of your Family, including your dog. Ultimately, it's not the gun that makes one dangerous, it's your mind set. You have to decide ahead of time whether or not you are going to become a victim or not. If the time (pray to your God it doesn't) ever comes for you to act in self defense, it makes no difference if you have a Remington, a Mossberg or a Winchester in your hands; can you, will you, pull that trigger?
The thoughts that run trough your mind in an emergency situation are sooo complex and wide that it will make you "pause" in your actions. The only way to get around this momentary delay, which can defeat your intended purpose is to preplan given scenarios. Firefighters do this, as do Police officers and our Military. Then and only then are you "prepared" to defend your self/loved ones. Important decisions need to be made ahead of time such as; could there be anybody on the other side of that wall? If your answer is "yes" then "can I place myself in a better position to shoot safely?" Ask your self questions, like "how close or when would I decide it's time to shoot?" Consider an exit route. What if my G**damn gun jams! Even, what if I don't have the luxury of getting to my gun? What then? How will I stop this bad person from hurting my Family? Preplanning Gentlemen/Ladies, is the most important factor in your survival, not the tool in which you use to achieve it. It's the "mind set" that will save you and your loved ones lives. Bottom line, it's no different than driving defensively. Drive safely!

Best damn post ive ever read on any forum bar none. Finally someone else who plays the "what if game" If you can actually call it a game...

It's saved my ass quite a few times - mainly from wrecks and personal injury however. My girlfriend thinks that me thinking that way is horrible. Personally I hate surprises.