Went to the gun range yesterday...

[Crypto]

Well, my buddy just got his first pistol- Glock 17 9mm, and we went shooting. He got 500 rounds of various ammo (cheap Winchester, Magtech, and Remmington) just to see which chambered better, shot cleaner, etc. We got some pics too. The tall guy with long hair is Keith (the gun owner), I'm the short guy with the black T-shirt and red glasses, my GF is the girl, and the guy in the Mushroomhead T-shirt is my friend Justin.

This is the gun. We had 2 17rd mags and one 33rd mag.
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[Crypto]

A few more...

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[Scurvy]

no pics of the targets? looks like you peppered them pretty good....

[ruski]

more pics of the GF shooting please.

[Rome]

Nice choice...he should have a good time cleaning that after 500 rounds.

[Crypto]

LOL, the camera ran out before I could snap more pics of her w/ the 33rd clip (or the targets for that matter.) We only had 6 targets to work with, and we didn't bring markers to establish who's shots were who's.

[Crypto]

Nice choice...he should have a good time cleaning that after 500 rounds.He ran the rod through 30times, Rem. oiled it, silicone cloth, and its spotless. He forgot his cleaning kit at home, otherwise he would have stripped it and cleaned it every 100rds or so.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

it's a glock... doesn't really need a thorough cleaning

[Crypto]

^True, but why not?

[Scurvy]

Glock is a combat pistol, designed to go countless rounds w/o needing a cleaning. I would never clean a combat pistol at the range unless I was shooting like 5000 rounds. Hell I don't even clean my pistols after a normal range trip unless I'm not gonna go back for a couple of weeks.

[speeddemon]

I just got my 42 98k today

[machinistone]

We did some shooting today - took out the new Winchester Super X2 for some trap and put some tannerite under fire with the AR...expensive stuff but oh so much fun

The explosion looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFIW7tZVWX8&feature=related


Ordering more and will take video next time.

Edit: For link so you guys can try it out:

http://www.tannerite.com/she_exploding_targets.htm l

FYI - the 1/2 lb recommended size is kind of weak - we were doing 4lb bottles with some added oxidizers. Leaves a 2 ft deep x 8' round crater.

[wolfdogs]

cleaning a gun is kinda like detailing a car. up to you, how many variables you want to avoid. Yes, the Glock is designed to shoot dirty..... but do you want to take that chance?

clean it good. piece of mind.

[Crypto]

^Agreed.

[nesikachad]

Truth:

More guns get screwed up from cleaning too often than by not cleaning enough.

This is especially true with barrels.

Crowns are nicked, throats develop burrs, etc. . .

A Glock can literally go for 50000 consecutive rounds. FBI tested it.

Get the big gunk off and put it away. You only use about 3 drops of oil in the whole thing.

Have no fear.

[speeddemon]

looks like I could bring a bunch of guns to texas with no problems LOL

[barkingspud]

Ok...not to shit on the thread but why, why 9mm? I'd rather throw the gun at someone than shoot at them with something a feeble as a 9mm round....

/rant....

[schufflerbot]

Ok...not to shit on the thread but why, why 9mm? I'd rather throw the gun at someone than shoot at them with something a feeble as a 9mm round....

/rant....

lol

yah, theyre a little smaller rounds, but to argue that .40 or .45 is SO much better at dropping a human is silly.

i just got my first carbine and i went with a 9mm instead of the .40 because i want to save on ammo.

[barkingspud]

lol

yah, theyre a little smaller rounds, but to argue that .40 or .45 is SO much better at dropping a human is silly.

i just got my first carbine and i went with a 9mm instead of the .40 because i want to save on ammo.

It's a proven fact....10mm or better.....Sorry...I don't want to 86 the OP's thread. I like the Glock as long as it's in 10mm or better....

[Jizz]

Looks like you had fun. I love going shooting!

[barkingspud]

Yea...to add to the thread...I miss going to the range. It's a lot of fun, especially outdoors.

[Jizz]

Yea...to add to the thread...I miss going to the range. It's a lot of fun, especially outdoors.

65°F and sunny here. Open range down the street. Of course it takes 45 minutes to get to the post office and back home with no traffic!

Where is that range in the pics?

[Crypto]

It's a proven fact....10mm or better.....Sorry...I don't want to 86 the OP's thread. I like the Glock as long as it's in 10mm or better....Let me shoot you with a Federal 124gr HYDRA-SHOK or a Speer Gold Dot 124gr and then tell me that 9mm is a useless round. Its all a matter of what kind of ammo you use, how hot the load, and how good your aim is. Not only that, but you can't honestly say that with 17rds, someone couldn't get a fatal shot in? I could blindly piss lead away and AT LEAST make a kill shot.

Also, if 9mm/.40S&W are so bad, why on earth are they used by law enforcement?

No need for the whole "bigger is better" argument.

[Jizz]

Let me shoot you with a Federal 124gr HYDRA-SHOK or a Speer Gold Dot 124gr and then tell me that 9mm is a useless round. Its all a matter of what kind of ammo you use, how hot the load, and how good your aim is. Not only that, but you can't honestly say that with 17rds, someone couldn't get a fatal shot in? I could blindly piss lead away and AT LEAST make a kill shot.

Also, if 9mm/.40S&W are so bad, why on earth are they used by law enforcement?

No need for the whole "bigger is better" argument.


I agree. I love 40S&W & 9mm for range time.

[VeritasGT]

I dunno too many people that'll take a 9mm and not be compromised in some manner.

[Crypto]

^Exactly. Either way you look at it, its a piece of hot lead being hurled at you at a VERY high rate of speed whilst spinning that WILL expand upon hitting your flesh and tear into you like a drill on steroids. I was looking at a Springfield XD Service Model 9mm the other day and this guy came up to me trying to be all hardass and he said, and I quote "Man, 9mm ain't shit. That shit would bounce off of me. Might as well use a BB gun. .45 ACP is where it's at". At that point I should have said "Man, .45ACP ain't shit. .600 Nitro Express is where it's at."

[barkingspud]

I respectfully disagree. There are plenty of cases of some wackjob getting taking 20 or more 9mm rounds and still coming at the officers. Sorry, I'm not taking that chance. 45ACP with glaser safety slugs and/or a 44mag with glaser safety slugs for me....

[Crypto]

^Yeah, but what KIND of rounds were those 20+? Full metal jackets probably. I agree that bigger is MORE effective, but to deem smaller (9mm and .40) non effective just doesn't seem fair. All I'm getting at is there are PLENTY of choices of ammunition that will be more than effective at stopping/killing an assailant. Remington, for example, has implemented polymer tipped rounds that, upon entering the target, the polymer expands thus "exploding" the bullet inside the target- kinda like a frag round.

[barkingspud]

If you carry a gun for a living, you'd understand....In the meanwhile, have a gander at this...

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

[Crypto]

^Oh, I'm not trying to be rude about it man. I understand where you're coming from completely. I'm planning on having quite a few different carry weapons and a .45ACP will be amongst those. I just hate the elitist attitude some people have concerning 9mm and .40 as useless crap. In a pinch, its WAY better than nothing.

BTW- Awesome chart!!!

[MrYenko]

Shoot at something other than paper with 9mm, and then with .45, and you'll see why we say what we say.

To be fair though, a 9mm Glock in hand is better than a .45 1911 in the closet...

[ruski]

cleaning a gun is kinda like detailing a car. up to you, how many variables you want to avoid. Yes, the Glock is designed to shoot dirty..... but do you want to take that chance?

clean it good. piece of mind.

Ken, have you tried Zaino on your Kimber?

[TJay74]

I own and either carry a Glock 27 (.40 ultra compact) or a S&W M&P40c (.40 ultra compact) daily.

To say that any round is better than another is moot. Shoot someone with a 9mm, .40, or .45 and a target slug then there is a destinct chance that the person maybe be able to take some rounds before being incapacitated.

Using the right load for the right situation is the key. I shoot the same weight load at the range as I do in my gun. I run only Gold Dot or hydro shocks in my guns, but I prefer the Gold Dots.

9mm is great for range time, but I personally prefer .40 for my conceal carry weapon.

I your friend bought that gun for target firing then that is a great gun for that or home defense, it is a little on the large side for CCW though for my like.

[Crypto]

^Yeah, its kinda big, but he's a pretty big guy (6'5") and his clothes fit a little on the loose side, so he should be able to pull it off.

HOWEVER- I have decided that I'm going to go with a Kimber Covert II Ultra instead of the XD as my carry weapon. Not that I don't want an XD, because I'll still get one, but that article posted earlier gave me a good understanding. I still say that the right ammo in a 9mm or .40 will get the job done, but I really do want a .45 as well.

This is what I'm wanting to get.
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[Pontiac Princess]

Is that Stan's Shooting Range off 183 in Florence?

[Crypto]

^Yes it is! Just outside of Briggs, past Astro Village.

[ruski]

Ok...not to shit on the thread but why, why 9mm? I'd rather throw the gun at someone than shoot at them with something a feeble as a 9mm round....

/rant....

Don't plenty people get killed with 9mm?

[Pontiac Princess]

^Yes it is! Just outside of Briggs, past Astro Village.I thought I recognized it. I am a member there. Stan's a real character. Here lately, it's been really busy. Maybe we'll run into you out there sometime.

[Scurvy]

Don't plenty people get killed with 9mm?

plenty of people get killed with .22lr too but i'm not carrying a walther p22.

Most people agree that 9mm is the smallest round that should be a main carry. Anything smaller should be backup only

[lil goat]

I thought to clean a Glock you just put in a dishwasher, Tupperware is dishwasher safe. I carry a a Sig 239 or Sig 226 Elite in .40 S&W most of the time, I have several guns in .40 I even have 2 Kimber 1911's in .40. I have a CZ in 9mm I love to shoot at the range (it's cheap) I was in a tactical training class one night and people gave me crap about shooting a 9mm. I made a timed run moving from barricade to barricade and having to change mags and not shoot the Good Guy targets mixed with the bad, 12 shots fired 12 head shots, nobody gave me any more crap. It is a LEO range and most of the LEO's that shoot there can't shoot for crap, that's where you get the hit with 20 9mm shots and still kicking. One head shot and it's over, I prefer skill over caliber. Practice and a .22 will get it done. I will let you try and hit me with a .45 at 100 yards, good luck. I can place center body mass with a .40 all day at 100 yards. At 100 yards a .45 round is in the dirt, now a .50 is a whole different animal, or a .460, .460 handgun is flat out to about 200 yards that is impressive

[Scurvy]

I thought to clean a Glock you just put in a dishwasher, Tupperware is dishwasher safe.

very funny....

[Crypto]

I thought I recognized it. I am a member there. Stan's a real character. Here lately, it's been really busy. Maybe we'll run into you out there sometime.

Yeah, hopefully I'll be able to go a few more times before I ship out for bootcamp (less than 3 weeks from now).

[Crypto]

I thought to clean a Glock you just put in a dishwasher, Tupperware is dishwasher safe. I carry a a Sig 239 or Sig 226 Elite in .40 S&W most of the time, I have several guns in .40 I even have 2 Kimber 1911's in .40. I have a CZ in 9mm I love to shoot at the range (it's cheap) I was in a tactical training class one night and people gave me crap about shooting a 9mm. I made a timed run moving from barricade to barricade and having to change mags and not shoot the Good Guy targets mixed with the bad, 12 shots fired 12 head shots, nobody gave me any more crap. It is a LEO range and most of the LEO's that shoot there can't shoot for crap, that's where you get the hit with 20 9mm shots and still kicking. One head shot and it's over, I prefer skill over caliber. Practice and a .22 will get it done. I will let you try and hit me with a .45 at 100 yards, good luck. I can place center body mass with a .40 all day at 100 yards. At 100 yards a .45 round is in the dirt, now a .50 is a whole different animal, or a .460, .460 handgun is flat out to about 200 yards that is impressiveQuite an e-penis you have for only 1 post. When did this become a pissing contest? LOL, just yankin ya. I guess you're among the ranks that hate polymer framed pistols huh?

[Pontiac Princess]

Yeah, hopefully I'll be able to go a few more times before I ship out for bootcamp (less than 3 weeks from now).I'm hoping to get out there to shoot this weekend if they aren't too busy. Stan tells me the big guns come out on Sunday. I'm hoping to run into someone with a S&W Model 500 .50 caliber that will let me pop off a couple of rounds. :cool:

[Crypto]

^Just be careful as I've been reading about failures with those resulting in chunks of thumb being blown off, lol. Been following a thread on RX7Club where a member had this happen.

[Pontiac Princess]

^Just be careful as I've been reading about failures with those resulting in chunks of thumb being blown off, lol. Been following a thread on RX7Club where a member had this happen.I'll keep that in mind. I shoot a S&W 629 .44 magnum with no problems, so I should still have a thumb when I'm done. LOL Send me the link so I can read all the details about the thumbless one!

[Crypto]

^Sure thing. Turns out I was mistaken as it was actually a .460 Magnum, not the .500.

WARNING: Pics are included and not for the squemish (page 3)

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=722996

[04pontiacgto]

thosse s&w 500s are mosters. I personally love the .45 1911, and have shot various other large caliber pistols, but wow, be ready for that thing. Its hand held artillery

[Pontiac Princess]

^Sure thing. Turns out I was mistaken as it was actually a .460 Magnum, not the .500.

WARNING: Pics are included and not for the squemish (page 3)

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=722996Than ks for the link. Nice clear pictures of a badly mangled thumb. I hope he heals well. I loved the post where one guy says, "Guns are machines...and machines can be dangerous". BTW - Enjoy your next 3 weeks and good luck in Boot camp!

[speeddemon]

holy hell that thumb is :barf:

[Crypto]

Thanks for the link. Nice clear pictures of a badly mangled thumb. I hope he heals well. I loved the post where one guy says, "Guns are machines...and machines can be dangerous". BTW - Enjoy your next 3 weeks and good luck in Boot camp!
Thanks alot man. I'll see if I can maybe buy a bunch of ammo and go again this weekend, though my GF won't be shooting as she just went to the ememrgency room because she cut the webbing of her thumb PRETTY deep.

holy hell that thumb is :barf:
LOL, yeah, it'll make you pucker. Thats pretty much the only kind of injury that makes me squemish. I could see pics of the most brutal dismemberment, decapatation, you name it- but show me one picture of someone's fingers or toes all jacked up and I just get real uneasy.

[Pontiac Princess]

thosse s&w 500s are mosters. I personally love the .45 1911, and have shot various other large caliber pistols, but wow, be ready for that thing. Its hand held artilleryMy first gun was a Colt 357 magnum. My bf laughs because I enjoy shooting the big guns. Anytime we go to get ammo or to a gunshop I am always drawn to the showcase with the S&W 500 .50 caliber....it calls my name!

[Pontiac Princess]

Thanks alot man. I'll see if I can maybe buy a bunch of ammo and go again this weekend, though my GF won't be shooting as she just went to the ememrgency room because she cut the webbing of her thumb PRETTY deep.Hope your GF gets better soon so she can resume her shooting. It's funny that the mangled toes and fingers bother you. I hope your GF didn't show you her cut. LOL

[nesikachad]

Ok...not to shit on the thread but why, why 9mm? I'd rather throw the gun at someone than shoot at them with something a feeble as a 9mm round....

/rant....

Ok, you can be first to volunteer as a life target for the +P flying trash cans I have loaded in my Glock 19.

Trust me. The myth that 9mm is a piss ant cartridge is just that,

a MYTH.

You load with nasty little high velocity hollow points and you'll ventilate the threat just fine.

[Displacement]

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MCLOVIN!!!

Ok...not to shit on the thread but why, why 9mm? I'd rather throw the gun at someone than shoot at them with something a feeble as a 9mm round....

/rant....

Name 1 real situation where you'd (personally) have to shoot a guy more than once, and you'll convince me. I can't think of a single situation where a mugger/burglar/rapist would still try to rob you after they figure out that, not only are you armed, but you're accurate too.

[Goatsucker]

While I am a fan of the .45 owning a few myself. Any firearm can be lethal, even a .22 or .25. The most important thing to consider is if the firearm you carry is going to be reliable if and when you need it the most. I'd feel much safer carrying a .22 Ruger with stingers than a Jimenez 9MM(piece of junk) with hydroshocks.

[nesikachad]

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MCLOVIN!!!



Name 1 real situation where you'd (personally) have to shoot a guy more than once, and you'll convince me. I can't think of a single situation where a mugger/burglar/rapist would still try to rob you after they figure out that, not only are you armed, but you're accurate too.

Just about every situation you come across scooter. I promise you that.


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[Crypto]

^Holy Keleshnekoff collection Batman!!!

[Crypto]

Hope your GF gets better soon so she can resume her shooting. It's funny that the mangled toes and fingers bother you. I hope your GF didn't show you her cut. LOL
Hey thanks. Its not too bad- 3 stitches. She showed me and its just over 1/4" long, but its kinda deep, as she did it with an exacto knife working on some art project of hers.

BTW, sorry for calling you "man" and "dude". Didn't really pay much attention to your screen name- turns out you're a lady! :D

[Pontiac Princess]

BTW, sorry for calling you "man" and "dude". Didn't really pay much attention to your screen name- turns out you're a lady! :DNo problem. As I matter of fact, I don't think I've seen a woman post in any of the gun threads (besides me) so I'm sure it caught you off guard.

[ZUMin3K]

Just to add some conversation -
I have a GLOCK 27 (.40) that I had about 1000 rounds through in about 6 months. Didn't clean it at all. I did it this way on purpose just to see how it behaved. No problems, other than 1 FTE (failure to eject) out in the mountains shooting. This was using cheap Winchester white box range ammo.
I'm runnin the same "test" with my new M&P .40 fullsize. Only about 250 rounds so far, but no hiccups at all, using the same ammo.
I prefer the M&P due to the size and ergonomics of it.

[schufflerbot]

finally got some range time with my 9mm carbine yesterday! man, im pretty impressed!!

only 100 rounds through it, but no problems at all and got some really good grouping from 25 and 50 yards.

holla!

[barkingspud]

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MCLOVIN!!!



Name 1 real situation where you'd (personally) have to shoot a guy more than once, and you'll convince me. I can't think of a single situation where a mugger/burglar/rapist would still try to rob you after they figure out that, not only are you armed, but you're accurate too.

Anyone ever read Street Survival? I've been to many training academy's in a former life and much of the concepts written in that book are put into practice in them....

The unfortunate thing is, many folks in LE don't have a choice in the type of weapon (or caliber) they can carry.

[Crypto]

^As their primary carry, yes. But I know plenty of officers that have CANNONS as their "backup" weapons, utilizing something else as a primary (provided by the department.) What scares me though- my cousin is a cop. I was asking him about his gun not too long ago. He didn't know what it was, what calibur, and worst of all- didn't even know if it was loaded or how to load it!

[schufflerbot]

^As their primary carry, yes. But I know plenty of officers that have CANNONS as their "backup" weapons, utilizing something else as a primary (provided by the department.) What scares me though- my cousin is a cop. I was asking him about his gun not too long ago. He didn't know what it was, what calibur, and worst of all- didn't even know if it was loaded or how to load it!

dude. no way. unless hes still going through the first few days of the academy and not really considered a cop yet, im calling BS on that statement.

a cop is going to know his/her weapon.
if its true, your cousin might be officer doofy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvarrk11RYs&feature=related

[Crypto]

^I'm dead serious. This was 1 year ago when I talked to him and he had been a cop for a little over a year when it happened.

[Bandit]

I will let you try and hit me with a .45 at 100 yards, good luck. I can place center body mass with a .40 all day at 100 yards.

Really.

:bs:

Funny, I have shot on the same line as world champion IPSC competitors and I can't think of one that would make such a bold statement.

Especially on a notoriously inaccurate round like the .40. The lower velocity combined with the heavier weight would prevent most "mere mortals" from even attempting 100 yard shots. Where's your POA on a shot like that skippy?

9mm? Sure. .38 Super? Without a doubt. But then again... only in the right hands. I'm not saying that you're not a good shooter, but the claim you just put out there is unreasonable and well outside the realm of reality for the majority of the world's population.

[TJay74]

Wow that is pretty bold, I mean I sighted my AR15 in with a 3x9-40 scope at 100 yards and I remember the walk and the fact that the 3'x3' target looked really small when back at the firing line.

35 yards, yeah sure you might be able to easily put those kind of shots in, but 100 yards all day long. I am going to put some doubt on that feat.

[Scurvy]

Really.

:bs:

Funny, I have shot on the same line as world champion IPSC competitors and I can't think of one that would make such a bold statement.

Especially on a notoriously inaccurate round like the .40. The lower velocity combined with the heavier weight would prevent most "mere mortals" from even attempting 100 yard shots. Where's your POA on a shot like that skippy?

9mm? Sure. .38 Super? Without a doubt. But then again... only in the right hands. I'm not saying that you're not a good shooter, but the claim you just put out there is unreasonable and well outside the realm of reality for the majority of the world's population.

I'm thinking he meant shooting his .40 out of a carbine with a good set of optics on it hahah

[Bandit]

I'm thinking he meant shooting his .40 out of a carbine with a good set of optics on it hahah

hehe

[Crypto]

I actually had a .40 carbine that I never even got to fire. I was able to buy the gun, but couldn't get the ammo.

[bursty]

^Sure thing. Turns out I was mistaken as it was actually a .460 Magnum, not the .500.

WARNING: Pics are included and not for the squemish (page 3)

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=722996

I know him :gr_jest:

I've met him a few times at some RX7 meets and he is kind of a tool.

[Crypto]

^LOL, small world huh? Yeah, there are a few of us rotorheads over here, lol.

[newgoateraz]

I hate glocks...


I'm thinking about getting sights on the side of both my slides, so when shit goes down I can absolutely, positively kill every mothafcker in the room...gangster style. lol.

[newgoateraz]

Oh and that 17 is a sweet gun, who cares about it being 9mm, it doesn't matter how big the hole is if you can't hit them, right? So long as you're not bear hunting or run in to the occasional liger...the 9mm is perfect...

[Crypto]

Good for zombies too, right?