: Engine Oil Cooler ?


OldER Goat
08-03-2008, 07:08 AM
anyone offer a complete Engine Oil Cooler kit for our cars ?

HSV-GTS-300
08-03-2008, 08:05 AM
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/oilcoolerkit.jpg

69project
08-03-2008, 08:35 AM
I am sure you could find a generic one from Summit or Jegs as well.

OldER Goat
08-03-2008, 08:40 AM
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/oilcoolerkit.jpg

very nice piece indeed !

I am sure you could find a generic one from Summit or Jegs as well.

Ill take a look. Thanks

05gto60
08-03-2008, 09:50 AM
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/oilcoolerkit.jpg

just curious, where does that tap into the oil system?

Indigo99LS
08-03-2008, 09:59 AM
probably at the filter, from the looks of that large aluminum bit there in the middle

OldER Goat
08-03-2008, 10:36 AM
probably at the filter, from the looks of that large aluminum bit there in the middle

yeah..i guess that piece fits betwen the block and the filter...

05gto60
08-03-2008, 02:27 PM
my guess is it bypasses the filter, and you have to remote mount the filter inline with that. but i wanna find out for sure

s/c'd cav
08-03-2008, 03:26 PM
thats a sandwhich adapter , filter goes on the bottom of the plate after its put where the filter normally sits

camarossx1999
08-03-2008, 04:39 PM
how much does something like this run? and what happens if it clogs up?

05gto60
08-03-2008, 07:26 PM
how much does something like this run?

X2. im thinking of throwing one on my new motor

69project
08-03-2008, 07:42 PM
I seriously doubt it will clog up (you will have bigger problems than just keeping your oil cool at that point) but on the adapter there should be a filter bypass in case your filter clogs up or is receiving too much oil to filter. I don't know what this guys price is but they are normally fairly cheap (I have seen generic kits for under $100 and good insurance for your motor if you do a lot of racing with it. The trick is finding space to mount it front of your rad or some other place that gets ram air and won't get destroyed by road debris. You see a lot of these on tow rigs, roundy round cars vehicles that generate high heat.

lanceygto
08-03-2008, 10:29 PM
Not all coolers are built the same. Some use an simple pipe surrounded by fins. This is very inneficient as only the oil close to the pipe inner surface gets cooled. Others use a mesh or honeycomb like assebly that is prone to clog with sludge. Perma Cool is of the pipe type but has an inner helical cross divided assembly which they claim forces the oil to swirl around and get more efficinet cooling. So on and so forth.

I do not know which cooler is really more eficient and best choice. The point is that it would be worthwhile for those who know about the subject to post some insight into the subject before deciding on which design to use. At present, and for all I may know at this point, Perma Cool would be my choice, but I am still looking into this subject.

HSV-GTS-300
08-03-2008, 10:58 PM
my guess is it bypasses the filter, and you have to remote mount the filter inline with that. but i wanna find out for sure

Nope.
It's purpose is to NOT bypass the filter.
It goes on top of the oil filter.

Oil comes out of the engine block, into the outside ring on top of the sandwich plate, gets sent to the oil cooler thru the hose, gets cooled, returns to the underneath outside ring of the sandwich block, then thru the outside section of the oil filter, gets filtered, comes back up the inside of the oil filter and thru the inside of threaded spigot into the engine block.

s/c'd cav
08-03-2008, 11:09 PM
only time you gotta worry about the cooler clogging are things where you gotta worry about the rest of the motor , like a head gasket or cracked part allowing coolant into the oil and making chocolate milk shake , never changing your oil and it thickening up

but normal use , with a good constant oil temp , you shouldnt have any issues

24UGTOinFL
08-04-2008, 05:13 AM
Works for me. It's $850 (presumably AUD).

Steel Chicken
08-04-2008, 05:15 AM
Works for me. It's $850 (presumably AUD).

I hope not, talk about overpriced.

aquariussuperman
08-04-2008, 01:06 PM
Let's talk more about how the oil would flow through the coils. It's gotta be efficient to use a tube and aluminum fin design, similar to baseboard heating in building. I wouldn't be worried with making the fluid "turbulent" inside the tube, right?

What about something like this? I'd like to find one with connections on the same side for east of installation...

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89743&stc=1&d=1217880381

aquariussuperman
08-04-2008, 01:31 PM
Hayden PN K2467. 5"x14.5"x0.75". It's a bit smaller than the B&M people go with (7 3/8"x11"x1 3/4"), but I like that its connections are on the same side. Anybody know the capacity/dimensions of the stock cooler? :confused:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=89744&stc=1&d=1217881813

OldER Goat
08-04-2008, 02:01 PM
I hope not, talk about overpriced.

well i think that USD...and it looks like top drawer quality..so its probably priced about right.

Jontall
08-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/oilcoolerkit.jpg

That's very nice.

kidgoat04
08-06-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm interested

oakfan52
08-09-2008, 02:15 PM
Would there be any benifit to putting a cooler inline on my oil return from the sts turbo before it gets dumped back into the head inlet port ?

Crisisman
02-17-2009, 08:38 PM
To bring this back from the dead...

Turbo Technology Inc, in Tacoma WA, is putting a custom oil cooler setup in my car tomorrow. They are drilling a hole in the side of the oil pan to run the oil through and the cooler itself will be mounted down low in front of the radiator. Total cost, including labor, should be under $1k. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to post a few pics of the finished product.

Crisisman
02-18-2009, 07:47 PM
All done. Here's some pics from the underside so you can see where they put the fittings and lines. These pics are with the skid plate removed so you can see everything, but it goes back on without any issues.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101114&stc=1&d=1235015153
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101115&stc=1&d=1235015158
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101116&stc=1&d=1235015162

s/c'd cav
02-18-2009, 09:04 PM
looks pretty good , did they have to do anything special to hold the adapter to the pan ? and what are the chances of getting the adapter parts ? the rest is easy enough to get , and some of us will need custom parts or different locations

they coulda cleaned up your leaky filter though , lol

aquariussuperman
02-19-2009, 08:35 AM
Nice creativity, but $1000 for just that?
And is that plumbers tape? Don't they make thread lock for situations like this?
Finally, is your oil pan corroding away by the drain plug or is it jsut the pictures?

City Goat
02-19-2009, 08:43 AM
Ron Davis makes a great one for the C5 you might want to check out...cheaper than the stuff listed here and bigger.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff63/DRMotorsports/Oc16s.jpg

A lot of the RR guys over on CF use it. Don't see why you couldn't make it work.

Crisisman
02-19-2009, 09:20 AM
They have to machine a custom adapter and rod long enough to mount it. They said they're planning on making a kit out of it that will be completely bolt on and doable in a couple hours in your garage. Nothing concrete on pricing yet, but he said the kit would likely end up less than $500. My bill was around $800, but most of that was labor. Also, what you can't see from the pics is the cooler itself. It's black and is about 10"x10". The lines fit nicely through the side corner gap of my BMR skid plate, and everything tucks up tight enough that nothing hangs below the bumper/skid plate.

And yes, I need to clean my engine. No corrosion, just dirty...sheesh.

aquariussuperman
02-20-2009, 02:18 AM
Sounds like a good setup, good work.

mistermike
02-20-2009, 05:40 AM
As long as we're dredging this one up, any oil cooler should have a thermostatic bypass. Overcooling oil is worse than overheating it. Lubrication efficiency drops like a brick below 180*F.

Rocketman82
02-20-2009, 05:31 PM
I couldn't see spending more than 200$ for something like that.

silvergto05
02-20-2009, 05:38 PM
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/oilcoolerkit.jpg

very nice!!

2006Bluegoat
02-20-2009, 07:05 PM
My question is, did you check your oil temp before the install with a guage? If so what was your oil temp before and after. Just wondering how much it actually helps.

mistermike
02-20-2009, 07:10 PM
Cooling oil isn't particularly urgent in most parts of the country. It's mostly done in extremely hot climates like Saudi Arabia or extreme duty racing applications. But, like chicken soup, it doesn't hurt if done properly.

2006Bluegoat
02-20-2009, 07:13 PM
I was just wondering how much it would drop the oil temps. I know it would help, just curious how much.

Crisisman
02-20-2009, 07:37 PM
When lapping at Pacific Raceways some of the guys I race with have gauges and they see 260*+ with a stock LS6(C5 Z06). With a cooler they dropped around 30*. Protection drops precipitously above 240*, so the cooler makes enough of a difference to potentially save your engine in extended regular lapping where you're averaging over 5k rpm for 30+ minutes at a time. With the GTO running a high-rpm cam I'm seeing high enough temps to throw oil temp codes(which I believe means 280*) during these extended sessions. On the street it's a non-issue.

2006Bluegoat
02-20-2009, 08:04 PM
When lapping at Pacific Raceways some of the guys I race with have gauges and they see 260*+ with a stock LS6(C5 Z06). With a cooler they dropped around 30*. Protection drops precipitously above 240*, so the cooler makes enough of a difference to potentially save your engine in extended regular lapping where you're averaging over 5k rpm for 30+ minutes at a time. With the GTO running a high-rpm cam I'm seeing high enough temps to throw oil temp codes(which I believe means 280*) during these extended sessions. On the street it's a non-issue.

Thank you, this is what I was wanting to know. Not just for me but for anyone else that was interested in doing this.

BackRoadGTO
04-02-2009, 07:04 AM
Does anyone know anything about the removable plate right above the oil filter? I just had the dealership fix a small oil leak and it was the gasket going around that piece. On the warranty paper work they call it the 'oil cooler block off plate'. No idea if it would really work, though.

Crisisman
04-02-2009, 10:11 AM
If it's the piece I think you're talking about, that's the piece my oil cooler lines run through. See attached pic.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=103745&stc=1&d=1238692250

BackRoadGTO
04-02-2009, 10:50 AM
Yeah, that's it. Sorry I thought you said they had to drill into the oil pan but I see now they were able to just use the preexisting ones with an adapter.

Crisisman
04-02-2009, 11:26 AM
I thought they were going to, from our initial discussion, but once they looked closely they came up with this approach. It works very well. No sign of leaking and crazy as it sounds I think I can actually feel the engine working smoother when I get it up to temp. I wish I had an oil temp gauge to know exactly where it settles at freeway cruise and on the track.

BackRoadGTO
04-02-2009, 12:39 PM
I thought they were going to, from our initial discussion, but once they looked closely they came up with this approach. It works very well. No sign of leaking and crazy as it sounds I think I can actually feel the engine working smoother when I get it up to temp. I wish I had an oil temp gauge to know exactly where it settles at freeway cruise and on the track.

What, you can't use the temp gauge that says the engine is always right at a perfect temperature?!
:p

Crisisman
04-02-2009, 09:35 PM
lol

pontiacwildchild
04-02-2009, 11:17 PM
sounds like agood setup crisisman , lol what about oil temp gauge lol ?