Water leak at door panels

[GTO&GN]

I am wondering if anyone has had a problem with occasional water intrusion into the interior if the vehicle is parked on a slightly uneven surface. Looks like a lot is asked of the plastic water shields in the doors to hold back water. Due to the shape of the doors it looks like any splash from a wash or hard rain causes what you see in the following pictures. Water ends up leaking out at base of door panel directly in center of body seal where door meets when it is closed.If vehicle is parked at a slight angle the water spills over into the floor board. Anyone in OZ experienced this? Any info. or opinons appreciated. Thanks.


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[CGCBandit]

Damnation, that's the EXACT same problem I have with my Goat. I'v been saying it from the first time I had my car and it rained overnight.

[Woz]

Anyone in OZ experienced this? Any info. or opinons appreciated. Thanks.


Can't say that I have. Sounds like the glass rubbers aren't holding out the water evenly either if that much water can pass through from a light rain/hosing when parked on an angle. Is it one door in particular or both?

[GTO&GN]

Can't say that I have. Sounds like the glass rubbers aren't holding out the water evenly either if that much water can pass through from a light rain/hosing when parked on an angle. Is it one door in particular or both?
It is both doors, but not at the same time, and not all the time. The water ending up laying in the lower door rubber seal on the body is occasional and collects mainly on the side of the car that is sitting higher than the other. Only once did the water spill in over the molding and into the the floor and carpet on the drivers side. It had been raining for at least 6 hours with some wind. The car was parked passenger side a little lower than driver side. The outside glass rubbers seem to fit as well as any I've seen but any water that does make it past them has a straight shot to the inner most portion of the base of the door and water shield.

[GTO&GN]

Damnation, that's the EXACT same problem I have with my Goat. I'v been saying it from the first time I had my car and it rained overnight.
CGCBANDIT,
Have you had this leak from day one? Has it ever made the carpet wet? Have you inquired about it at a Pontiac dealership? One of my local Pontiac dealers said no one else has noticed a leak issue. Does your leak occur when the vehicle is washed or only when it rains?

[GTO&GN]

Water leaking in at base of door panel from rain or washing when car is parked on a uneven surface. Water builds up on top of compressed seal at body and eventually spills over into floorboard. Not much of a problem when parked on flat level surface. Not always possible.

[GTO&GN]

Water leaking in at base of door panel from rain or washing when car is parked on a uneven surface. Water builds up on top of compressed seal at body and eventually spills over into floorboard. Not much of a problem when parked on flat level surface. Not always possible.

Not to be rude, but I am very surprised, very few as of yet have noticed or commented on this issue. Some have, in other areas of this site and on other areas of the internet. I am searching for a permanent cure to this issue. Anyone truly interested ( maybe someone with inside engineering info. from Holden or GM) I have better pictures of this issue if needed. A better idea is needed. Sealing the heck out of the water shield is only a temp. solution at best.

[olly]

Not to be rude, but I am very surprised, very few as of yet have noticed or commented on this issue. Some have, in other areas of this site and on other areas of the internet. I am searching for a permanent cure to this issue. Anyone truly interested ( maybe someone with inside engineering info. from Holden or GM) I have better pictures of this issue if needed. A better idea is needed. Sealing the heck out of the water shield is only a temp. solution at best.

GTO&GN....this is what i am told. Water works it's way into the door between the belt weatherstrip along the top of the door skin and the glass. It's going to happen regardless of what you think should happen. Accepting this, the plastic shield behind the door trim is supposed to prevent water getting into the cabin of the car. The water in the door doesnt present a problem to any door hardware (power window motor etc) components. There are drain holes in the bottom of the door to dispose of the water, so it's a minor problem according to the manufacturer. The plastic shield should be replaced if water is getting into the cabin, due to the fact that the shield stretches out of shape during the removal process. The new shield should be sealed with butyl tape part# 92142189.

[CGCBandit]

CGCBANDIT,
Have you had this leak from day one? Has it ever made the carpet wet? Have you inquired about it at a Pontiac dealership? One of my local Pontiac dealers said no one else has noticed a leak issue. Does your leak occur when the vehicle is washed or only when it rains?I haven't told the dealer as of yet. 2 other Gto owners I know are going through the same problem. I'm waiting to see what there dealers do first, then I'll take action with mine. I'v been saying from say one that there is some sort of design issue with either the weather stripping or the door itself. You'd expect this out of a $8k Kia, not a $30K car that's been out for a few years. Anyways, there IS a problem.

[SinfulGTO]

I dunno, i washed my car this morning and put the car at an angle on the driveway. and I did not have this happen on either side. it was clean as a whistle. I did have this a little bit with my TA though. But not the goat as of yet.

[GTO&GN]

CGCBandit and SinfulGTO, Thanks for the response to this issue. CGCBANDIT I am doing the same as you for the time being. Waiting. A friend of mine who has over 20 years auto repairshop experience has reviewed this situation with me and he thinks he has a solution to the issue. I will pursue this with one of my local Pontiac dealers soon if no one else has any additional feedback. A cure would only take a slight re-engineering effort on the part of General Motors. Something which could easily be dealer installed for owners who are experiencing this problem. (I think most all GTO owners eventually will have this issue if their cars get wet much and as they age), unless something has been done as a running change on the assembly line already.
SinfulGTO, Just curious, at what angle did you park your goat when you washed it and watched for the leak? Did you run quite a bit of water down the window beltline and wait a few minutes before opening the doors? Also, what is your cars production date? Thanks guys, and good luck.

[CGCBandit]

CGCBandit and SinfulGTO, Thanks for the response to this issue. CGCBANDIT I am doing the same as you for the time being. Waiting. A friend of mine who has over 20 years auto repairshop experience has reviewed this situation with me and he thinks he has a solution to the issue. I will pursue this with one of my local Pontiac dealers soon if no one else has any additional feedback. A cure would only take a slight re-engineering effort on the part of General Motors. Something which could easily be dealer installed for owners who are experiencing this problem. (I think most all GTO owners eventually will have this issue if their cars get wet much and as they age), unless something has been done as a running change on the assembly line already.
SinfulGTO, Just curious, at what angle did you park your goat when you washed it and watched for the leak? Did you run quite a bit of water down the window beltline and wait a few minutes before opening the doors? Also, what is your cars production date? Thanks guys, and good luck.I also work at a bodyshop. When I first got the car we adjusted the doors thinking that was the problem, this helped a little but didn't totally take care of the problem. IMO there should be some sort of weather stripping all the way around the door sealing against the jam(like any other friggin car :bomb: ) I have a feeling this would take care of the problem. I however, refuse to work on the car myself since it's covered under warranty still. This is a serious issue with these cars, GM better come up with a solution...btw build date on mine is June '04.

[GTO&GN]

I also work at a bodyshop. When I first got the car we adjusted the doors thinking that was the problem, this helped a little but didn't totally take care of the problem. IMO there should be some sort of weather stripping all the way around the door sealing against the jam(like any other friggin car :bomb: ) I have a feeling this would take care of the problem. I however, refuse to work on the car myself since it's covered under warranty still. This is a serious issue with these cars, GM better come up with a solution...btw build date on mine is June '04.
Mine was built in July 2004. All of my water leak source seems to be from what leaks out of the door between the door panel and the door.

[CGCBandit]

Mine was built in July 2004. All of my water leak source seems to be from what leaks out of the door between the door panel and the door.Mine seems to be a problem with the drain plugs in the bottom front of the doors. When closed they seem to be blocked by something, b/c when I open either door, water comes rushing out of those front plugs on both sides of the car.

[zog]

Hmm. I'll have to check this out, though I've never noticed anything. Let us know if you guys hear anything from the dealerships.

CGC - If we can ever organize another RIC gtg I'll have to remember to take a look at where it's happening on yours.

[CGCBandit]

Got the car back today, they tried resealing something in the door. I really don't think it's gonna fix the problem, but we'll see :sneaky:

[GTO&GN]

Got the car back today, they tried resealing something in the door. I really don't think it's gonna fix the problem, but we'll see :sneaky:
Let us know!!!

[Bx Tpr]

Just noticed I have a water leak as well. Any updates or fixes for this? I was thinking of placing the plastic water barrier on the inside of the door instead of the outside like it now. This thing just pissed me the hell off and I really don't feel like taking it to my dealer that's an hour away. Can't I get this thing looked at any Pontiac dealer or do I have to make the trip out to the dealer I purchased it from?

This is freaking annoying!

[CGCBandit]

Just noticed I have a water leak as well. Any updates or fixes for this? I was thinking of placing the plastic water barrier on the inside of the door instead of the outside like it now. This thing just pissed me the hell off and I really don't feel like taking it to my dealer that's an hour away. Can't I get this thing looked at any Pontiac dealer or do I have to make the trip out to the dealer I purchased it from?

This is freaking annoying!They can bandaid fix it all they want, but imo it's an engineering problem with the door design itself. Any Pontiac dealer should try to take care of it for you(that's what warranties are for).

[silverstreak]

door leak may be your problem, but mine seems to come from underneath the car when driven in the rain. passenger side flooded, water dirty. local dealer had for 10 days, said it was fixed, next rain, water on floor with in 40 miles driven. took it back to the selling dealer last week, they did the door thing, doubt it will work. will keep you all informed. one more try and i talk to GM about the lemon law. Other than this issue, I love the car, no other problems in 12,000 mi. build date may 04

[Shag Finger]

LOL well I am sure Chris figured I would chime in here sooner or later. But I am one of the two other people he knows with the problem. My car usually parks in my driveway with the nose higher than the rest of the car and the doors are horizontally level with each other. However I parked it on the side of the house where the grade would have one side of the car higher than the other. Whichever side is higher is the door that will leak and the back floor gets SOAKED. This is unacceptable. The other friend has had it since day one and I am sure I would have too, had I not been parking it in the driveway.

When it went back the first time they said they resealed the curtains per the tech line. When I picked the car up the friggin floor was wet again from the rain the night before while it sat on their lot. I needed the car back and couldn’t just hand it back over. Besides it had to go back in a week or so when my new dash cluster and trim piece came in. Got the 655 miles thing taken care of (we'll see as soon as I get enough mileage on the car) and the trim piece had to be replaced because the matte finish was rubbing off around the fan speed switch in about the 10-11 o'clock position showing a very glossy underneath that stuck out like a sore thumb.

Well when it went back they said they couldn’t find a water leak even with a hose running on it for hours. I told him it would be back as soon as it rained, he said fine and we will investigate it then. I didn’t tip my hand and tell him I know how to make it leak because honestly at this point I do not want a car that I am going to have to feel like I have to check the floors every time it rains. I will give them one more chance to fix it (third attempt/report of problem) and then I will get a GM rep involved and start the buy back proceedings.

This is killing me too, because I love the car enough to trade my 500HP 03 Z06 in on. I did a cam, gears, tune and other mods to it. Drove it across country twice, to Florida and back twice as well. NOT ONE FRIGGIN PROBLEM EVER!!!! I do miss that car and its a real shame that I have lost all confidence in this car at this point.

[CGCBandit]

LOL well I am sure Chris figured I would chime in here sooner or later. But I am one of the two other people he knows with the problem. My car usually parks in my driveway with the nose higher than the rest of the car and the doors are horizontally level with each other. However I parked it on the side of the house where the grade would have one side of the car higher than the other. Whichever side is higher is the door that will leak and the back floor gets SOAKED. This is unacceptable. The other friend has had it since day one and I am sure I would have too, had I not been parking it in the driveway.

When it went back the first time they said they resealed the curtains per the tech line. When I picked the car up the friggin floor was wet again from the rain the night before while it sat on their lot. I needed the car back and couldn’t just hand it back over. Besides it had to go back in a week or so when my new dash cluster and trim piece came in. Got the 655 miles thing taken care of (we'll see as soon as I get enough mileage on the car) and the trim piece had to be replaced because the matte finish was rubbing off around the fan speed switch in about the 10-11 o'clock position showing a very glossy underneath that stuck out like a sore thumb.

Well when it went back they said they couldn’t find a water leak even with a hose running on it for hours. I told him it would be back as soon as it rained, he said fine and we will investigate it then. I didn’t tip my hand and tell him I know how to make it leak because honestly at this point I do not want a car that I am going to have to feel like I have to check the floors every time it rains. I will give them one more chance to fix it (third attempt/report of problem) and then I will get a GM rep involved and start the buy back proceedings.

This is killing me too, because I love the car enough to trade my 500HP 03 Z06 in on. I did a cam, gears, tune and other mods to it. Drove it across country twice, to Florida and back twice as well. NOT ONE FRIGGIN PROBLEM EVER!!!! I do miss that car and its a real shame that I have lost all confidence in this car at this point.It rained like a mofo here again last night, and all seems dry. It's all your fault I bought this car you know :drink: :gr_jest: :gr_jest: :shiner:

[newagegto]

I am wondering if anyone has had a problem with occasional water intrusion into the interior if the vehicle is parked on a slightly uneven surface. Looks like a lot is asked of the plastic water shields in the doors to hold back water. Due to the shape of the doors it looks like any splash from a wash or hard rain causes what you see in the following pictures. Water ends up leaking out at base of door panel directly in center of body seal where door meets when it is closed.If vehicle is parked at a slight angle the water spills over into the floor board. Anyone in OZ experienced this? Any info. or opinons appreciated. Thanks.


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the same thing is hapening to me every time it rains...My drivay is a little higher on the right...So water getis at the bottom of the door panel....gm said dont know about this issue ..but its very bad defect...a 35 000$ car will drop extremely fast with a mildew smell and rotten carpetsWe need to really come strong on gm about this...As i see it all gtos have that problem,only if you park on an unleveled pavement,but its still unacceptable

[Shag Finger]

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