Conceal to carry liscense?????

[Lorider680]

I just purchased my first gun XD(M) 9mm.(awesome). Me and my buddies want to sign up for the conceal to carry class but my question is this.

With the new political takeover, can they void valid lisences? I know there is a frenzy of people buying high capacity magazines, AR lowers, etc. becuase of what they fear might become illeagle.(me included) I'm hoping current "card members" will get grandfathered in, but I doubt that would happen.
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[canttouchthis]

In Lancaster county PA no class required. Fill out the application and take it to the sheriffs office and wait for a backround check to be done. I just bought an XDm this weekend.....I think if it starts comming to that there will be hell to pay.......

[bear]

I just purchased my first gun XD(M) 9mm.(awesome). Me and my buddies want to sign up for the conceal to carry class but my question is this.

With the new political takeover, can they void valid lisences? I know there is a frenzy of people buying high capacity magazines, AR lowers, etc. becuase of what they fear might become illeagle.(me included) I'm hoping current "card members" will get grandfathered in, but I doubt that would happen.
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Lorider, I just took the class a few weeks ago and it is super easy.

I have talked about some of us OK goat guys getting together and going to the range sometime here in a few weeks or so when my AR comes in. You should come with us

[Steel Chicken]

concealed carry is almost always a local issue, not a federal one.

[malcum]

I just purchased my first gun XD(M) 9mm.(awesome). Me and my buddies want to sign up for the conceal to carry class but my question is this.

With the new political takeover, can they void valid lisences? I know there is a frenzy of people buying high capacity magazines, AR lowers, etc. becuase of what they fear might become illeagle.(me included) I'm hoping current "card members" will get grandfathered in, but I doubt that would happen.
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Whew. Don't know where to begin. First of all "They" can't rescind your license. Furthermore, gun ownership won a landmark decision this past year with a SC ruling in favor of what 99% of Americans believe the second amendment grants us. As far as concealed carry, individual states determine those rights based on their own legislation. It isn't like say, abortion, which the SC ruled is a constitutional right, superseding any state's legislation to the contrary.

The SC decision upholds your right to own firearms, not the right to carry them which is mandated by local ordinances. Even though we have the most left leaning administration in our history about to take control, the reality is that trying to ban guns in this country is a losing proposition on any level of liberal agenda, and since we still have the vote, will cost them at the polls and they know that.

[Nick!]

I agree with Malcum's post. Take a look at this U.S. map breaking down Conceal carry laws by state which will show it is CCW is a state controlled issue.

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[Bandit]

Obama has in his plans to attempt to eliminate CCW for some reason. He says no citizen should feel the need to be armed at all times, that's what the police are for.

Many do fear that he will follow through on this, but it will be very, very difficult for him to get the bill passed. While he certainly has enough support to re-instate the assault weapons ban to some degree, this one is a lot tougher, especially since the PBA and other police organizations typically vote in favor of having CCW laws, so that among other things will make it tougher for him to eliminate current CCW's.

[VeritasGT]

Obama has in his plans to attempt to eliminate CCW for some reason. He says no citizen should feel the need to be armed at all times, that's what the police are for.


Do you have an actual link to a reference about this? Or is this just more horseshit like SRT's dont get wheelhop/

[RokX]

I'm not too worried about my CCW all of a sudden being "revoked". If thats the case, there is going to be A LOT more crap that has or is about to go down, and more pissed off people than you can imagine.....

[72/04 GTO]

Do you have an actual link to a reference about this? Or is this just more horseshit like SRT's dont get wheelhop/

It answers alot of Obama gun questions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_G un_Control.htm


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/630645/ba rak_obamas_gun_control_positions.html

[jamesbiz]

Do you have an actual link to a reference about this? Or is this just more horseshit like SRT's dont get wheelhop/

What, hard to believe that the messiah isn't always perfect in your eyes? It's gotta be horseshit? Or do you not watch the news anymore?

[TJay74]

I live in the midwest and have a CCL and carry almos all of the time other than to work in which I dont have to as we are in a armed guard secured facility.

Just do it, It was easy for me to get mine and I have several friends in OKC that have theirs.

[VeritasGT]

What, hard to believe that the messiah isn't always perfect in your eyes? It's gotta be horseshit? Or do you not watch the news anymore?

You of all people know my stance on Obama, and how he's nowhere near perfect. I know his stance on gun control, but nothing thats said "I plan to repeal all CCW's"

[jamesbiz]

You of all people know my stance on Obama, and how he's nowhere near perfect. I know his stance on gun control, but nothing thats said "I plan to repeal all CCW's"

lol I could have sworn you were very pro obama.. oh well, i'm tired. That's a good excuse as any.

[VeritasGT]

It answers alot of Obama gun questions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_G un_Control.htm


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/630645/ba rak_obamas_gun_control_positions.html

I've read those before, and if you know me at all, you know that I'm not in support of that, but none of that supports the blanket statement Bandit made, and thats all I was looking for clarification on.

[VeritasGT]

lol I could have sworn you were very pro obama.. oh well, i'm tired. That's a good excuse as any.

I was very anti-McCain - big difference.

[Superman]

I agree with Malcum's post. Take a look at this U.S. map breaking down Conceal carry laws by state which will show it is CCW is a state controlled issue.

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After all those changes, only two states have it right (green) and only one of them has been consistently right (Vermont).

[swmn]

After all those changes, only two states have it right (green) and only one of them has been consistently right (Vermont).

You know, I have lived in Alaska for about 8 months now, I do carry concealed, and I am not sure it would work in Cali or New Yawk.

Alaskans in general are pretty easy going folks, partly because anyone could or probably is carrying. You just don't see people jumping green lights to make left turns, and you don't see people flipping the bird from behind the wheel either. But there are only about 3/4 of a million people up in here in a state > twice as big as Texas.

I _suspect_ unrestricted concealed carry in say Atlanta or Boston is maybe not such a great idea. Even with an AK permit I don't carry concealed behind the wheel in the lower 48. Baseline stress down there is just so high...

[VeritasGT]

You know, I have lived in Alaska for about 8 months now, I do carry concealed, and I am not sure it would work in Cali or New Yawk.

Alaskans in general are pretty easy going folks, partly because anyone could or probably is carrying. You just don't see people jumping green lights to make left turns, and you don't see people flipping the bird from behind the wheel either. But there are only about 3/4 of a million people up in here in a state > twice as big as Texas.

I _suspect_ unrestricted concealed carry in say Atlanta or Boston is maybe not such a great idea. Even with an AK permit I don't carry concealed behind the wheel in the lower 48. Baseline stress down there is just so high...

I noticed a similar feeling when I was in SC. drove a few hundred miles in a week down there, never needed the horn, never got pissed off. Within the first mile when I was back in Philadelphia....I was road raging.

[malcum]

After all those changes, only two states have it right (green) and only one of them has been consistently right (Vermont).

I find it odd that Vermont, one of the most culturally liberal states, has had no restrictions. I'll bet there aren't too many muggings there either. Here in Ohio the fight to allow concealed carry was a big one. The OHP was vehemently against it and when it passed there were so many gotcha booby traps built in to satisfy the patrol that it was a PITA to bother to carry in the car. Those have been subsequently and mostly ironed out. The bloodshed that the liberals swore was forthcoming didn't happen. If anything personal crime has gone down. I know that when I walk through the gauntlet of pants-dragging gang bangers clustered at the mall entrance anymore they seem to part like the Red Sea and let me go through without any "white m'fkr" comments in the background.

A number of lives have been saved as a result of someone warding off some dirtbag in a convenience from time to time. A few have gotten their just rewards too without the CCW being charged in the shootings. I also haven't heard or read of any legitimate permit holder going on a shooting rampage or just killing indiscriminately. The liberals' stance that they seem to want the criminals to have the upper hand in these situations has failed fortunately for the rest of us.

I have a license to carry a concealed weapon. I don't exercise that option 99% of the time. I'm not scared to go out unarmed, but being in the jewelry business and sometimes carrying a lot of stuff on desolate interstates, it just gives me a bit of a comfort zone if I have a breakdown.

[jamesbiz]

You know, I have lived in Alaska for about 8 months now, I do carry concealed, and I am not sure it would work in Cali or New Yawk.

Alaskans in general are pretty easy going folks, partly because anyone could or probably is carrying. You just don't see people jumping green lights to make left turns, and you don't see people flipping the bird from behind the wheel either. But there are only about 3/4 of a million people up in here in a state > twice as big as Texas.

I _suspect_ unrestricted concealed carry in say Atlanta or Boston is maybe not such a great idea. Even with an AK permit I don't carry concealed behind the wheel in the lower 48. Baseline stress down there is just so high...

If it's that easy for you to stress out to the point where it's a bad idea to have your gun on you... maybe you shouldn't have your gun on you ever?

[RokX]

If it's that easy for you to stress out to the point where it's a bad idea to have your gun on you... maybe you shouldn't have your gun on you ever?

Definitely +1 there. I'll admit I'm usually constantly yelling/swearing in the car about other drivers around me and I'm carrying 9/10 times. However, even how annoying or aggravating some drivers are, I have never ONCE thought about drawing on someone out of anger. The reason I carry is because I'm a paraplegic and I cannot defend myself physically from an attacker as an able-bodied person can.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

CCW is a states' rights issue. no way the fed gov't can do anything without some state taking them to court on 10th amendment grounds

[Pontiac Addict]

I _suspect_ unrestricted concealed carry in say Atlanta or Boston is maybe not such a great idea. Even with an AK permit I don't carry concealed behind the wheel in the lower 48. Baseline stress down there is just so high...

It is unrestricted OPEN carry in GA..Atlanta. You cannot carry a short arm concealed but you may transport it loaded in your glove compartment in the car.

I have a concealed carry permit for GA so I can carry it on my person. Cannot drink while carrying. Cannot take it to a bar or any public gathering.

[jamesbiz]

lol aww man why is that little girl playing with a sex sheep...

[RitcheyRch]

Wish Taxifornia would allow citizens to get CCW's.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Wish Taxifornia would allow citizens to get CCW's.

nope-- you're not important enough.

[Pontiac Addict]

lol aww man why is that little girl playing with a sex sheep...

cause she wants you to vote for me!

[seagreen]

lol aww man why is that little girl playing with a sex sheep...

It was a goat.

[RitcheyRch]

Wish we were more like AZ


nope-- you're not important enough.

[swmn]

If it's that easy for you to stress out to the point where it's a bad idea to have your gun on you... maybe you shouldn't have your gun on you ever?

James, I saw your question before I left for work this morning and chose to put some thought into my answer.

I am giving you the benefit of a doubt here and mean none of the following in bad or mean way. We have never met in person, everything I know about you I learned here on ls1gto. I have known you to stir the pot in threads just for the sake of stirring the pot.

I would not be shocked, however, to learn that you sometimes react to situations rather than responding. It is a human trait.

And that is my whole point.

I carry - open- in the Alaskan wilderness. When I hunt caribou I see black bear and wolf tracks constantly, grizzly tracks occasionally. When moose hunting I see brown bear tracks all the time, even scat with steam coming off it.

When the seasons are closed I am out there frequently with my Nikon, still with an open carried SW500, 4" barrel.

So I am on my way home at say 9AM, I have already hiked nine miles today, I got the shot(s), and I need groceries. I can either leave my pistol in the car, or I can carry concealed in the grocery store. FWIW my chest circumfrence - waist circumfrence = 11 inches. When I am wearing a flannel shirt that fits my shoulders I actually can carry that cannon concealed. And it is a heck of a lot less likely to be stolen out from under my shirt then out of my truck...

I have had at least one gun in my bedroom since my 13th birthday. Anyone who sneaks into my bedroom while I am sleeping is going to die if they don't kill me first.

When I am out in bear country I am not at the top of the food chain anymore, and if my primary is a camera I have a history of getting into fixes I would have otherwise avoided just to get the shot.

From 1988 to 2008 I averaged about 30k miles annually on highways in the lower 48. Either I am getting more observant, or Americans are getting more stupid. For that 600,000 miles the three most useful things to carry are 1. brake pedal 2. sunglasses 3. cell phone. Pistol is just not on the list.

The other thing I have to think about is the cost. What does it really cost to blow away a drug crazed individual who is committing multiple felonies right now? The case law varies by state. I know if I did lose my temper and whacked some Ahole for totalling my GTO I would probably commit suicide _before_ the cops even showed up to ask what happened.

What is an acceptable risk for a CCW to take? 5% chance of killing an innocent bystander? 0.5% chance of killing the 7 year old next to the crack head? 0.005% chance of shooting yourself in thigh in a nightclub when you have had a couple cocktails?

With a unloaded gun in a locked case in the back seat I have probably a 50% chance of knocking one out for the home team if I ever see a gun fight on the side of the road. I also have a zero percent chance of losing my temper in a permanent way.

All I am saying is I have thought about the situation in advance and have chosen a reasonable path to avoid complications that works for me. But if you stand at a street corner for three minutes looking for a car to jack I am going to be the last mofo you choose. Even in a highly Zaino'd goat, you'll jack almost anyone else's car before mine.

M2c.

[speeddemon]

I sleep with a bushmaster next to me with a 30 round mag of hollowpoints that just need to be slammed in and cocked.......I pity the fool who breaks in here :wall:

[Lorider680]

Lots of good informative stuff on here. Looks like I am a go in March (darnded waiting list to get in)
Thanks guys.

[bear]

Try calling Gun World in Del City last time I was in there they said they were giving a class every weekend (405) 670 5885

[ForzaV12]

I have a CCl that is good in all 50(just need to qualify every year).
It is indeed a local issue. Out here in socal, our new Sheriff created a bit of a stink when she announced plans to rescind all permits issued by her predecessor(under indictment, BTW). She plans to review them all on a case by case basis. So, yes, they can be revoked.
As to our president elect, his dismal gun rights record speaks for itself(although, I've never heard any comment by him or his staff regarding CCPs).
My recommendation, as always, is to join and support the NRA. Extreme in some regards, of course, but they really do go the extra mile to defend the second A(whether its the illegal gun grabs after Katrina or the ban in San Fran).

[CPNJ]

I find it odd that Vermont, one of the most culturally liberal states, has had no restrictions. .

True liberals believe in the right to bear arms. But since the liberal name has been adopted by extreme left-wing, socialist, big-govt, gun banning, pc, aging hippies, us true liberals now have to call ourselves Libertarians.

[Brody JGR]

In NC there is a wait for the ccw class and a 6 month wait period to get your permit. I hear they are going to try to limit the number of ccw cert's issued to each state. Im not sure if thats true or not so I went ahead and got mine.

[BaylorGoat]

I don't mean to thread jack...

But i just completed my CHL class here in Texas. During the class i forgot to ask the instructor about carrying while camping in State or National parks.

I was going to call him and ask, but i thought i would throw it out to you folks first.

Have any of you had any issues carrying while camping?

Edit: Looks like the Texas Parks and Wildlife signed order 98-001 which recognized that the CHL law in Texas does not prohibit the concealed carry by licensed individuals in Texas Parks. Still looking for Nation info...

[jamesbiz]

I don't mean to thread jack...

But i just completed my CHL class here in Texas. During the class i forgot to ask the instructor about carrying while camping in State or National parks.

I was going to call him and ask, but i thought i would throw it out to you folks first.

Have any of you had any issues carrying while camping?

Edit: Looks like the Texas Parks and Wildlife signed order 98-001 which recognized that the CHL law in Texas does not prohibit the concealed carry by licensed individuals in Texas Parks. Still looking for Nation info...

Pretty sure it's illegal in this nation. Bush tried to make it legal some time last year, but nothing has happened with that yet to my knowledge.

[BaylorGoat]

Yeah, looks like I can't carry while camping in Big Bend.

[TJay74]

I Am Pretty Sure The State And Federal Conceal Carry Alw Went Into Effect On 01/09/2009 Of This Year.

It Was One Of The New Laws That Went Into Effect Before Obama Took Office.

[Trex]

I Am Pretty Sure The State And Federal Conceal Carry Alw Went Into Effect On 01/09/2009 Of This Year.

It Was One Of The New Laws That Went Into Effect Before Obama Took Office.

from my understanding, this is correct.

Currently obama is trying to revers it from what i have heard

[06GTOSC]

Of course. Can't let people protect themselves from dangerous wild animals or possibly criminals looking to prey on defenseless citizens.

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

I Am Pretty Sure The State And Federal Conceal Carry Alw Went Into Effect On 01/09/2009 Of This Year.

It Was One Of The New Laws That Went Into Effect Before Obama Took Office.

you are wrong, and there is no such law. CCW is still a strictly states' right issue. You might be referring to the law that allowed CCW in a national park, but outside of national parks, it has NO effect on your right to carry elsewhere.

[BaylorGoat]

So there is a new law that allows concealed carry in National Parks?

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

it was an executive order from Bush that is now on hold.

[speeddemon]

CCW in CT is very easy and smart to get IMO
nothing else about this states gun laws makes any sense