Gas stations gas quality

[Dictatorsaurus]

Is it safe to assume that gas quality if pretty much the same from one company to another?

[gtojimbo]

i think the additives companies add to gas make a difference. chevron has techroline , and now shell has nitrogen.

[lastc4]

I've wondered about this myself. There must be some experts here who can explain. In the meantime, here's something I found on another forum:

"There are different "Tier Levels" for gasoline; Tier 1,2 & 3. Shell, Texaco, Mobil, BP and Chevron are Tier 1. Tier 2 fuels are Citgo, Sunoco, and other similar fuels. Tier 3 fuels are your basic "grocery store" fuels: Kroger, Meijer, Sams Club etc.

The Tier 1 fuels are fortified with additives that clean engines and enhance performance. Tier 2 fuels tend to keep engines clean, but don't remove deposits that have accumulated. Tier 3 fuels contain only the minimum additive to meet government regulations and Shell has shown through in-house testing that in sensitive engines, these gasolines can leave significant levels of deposits in a relatively short period of time."

Here (http://www.aa1car.com/library/bad_gas2.htm) is an article that gives some background (and some opinions) on the "tier" ratings of gasoline. Here's their listing of some "tier 1" retailers:


http://www.aa1car.com/library/top_tier_gas.gif

Something tells me there's more to learn about this.

Edit: Here (http://toptiergas.com/) is another link describing the TOP TIER ratings.

[aquariussuperman]

Just don't get gas at a station who's sign says "GAS".
Anything name brand is government regulated, so you should be fine.
I'd be more worried about the 10-15% ethanol than the name of the top tier gas station.

[Dictatorsaurus]

I usually fill up at Raceway gas. 93 octane.

[JTSnooks]

BP only for me. If in a pinch, I'll go to a Shell or QT station, but I really try to avoid it. Last time I put anything but BP in it was probably a year and a half ago with QT gas, and honestly didn't notice a difference.

Now when I first got the car, I put in some Racetrack gas and it was pulling timing left and right, terrible performance. Same with Kroger gas. After those two adventures I learned my lesson and stuck with BP.

[Swampgoat]

In Florida, the dept of Agriculture is in charge of regulating gas stations and making sure the quality and octane is maintained.
Every pump has a sticker and a 1 800 number if there is a problem or you suspect that the owner is passing off lower as premium, etc. They come out quick, buy a gallon and off to the lab to test it.
They hammer stations HARD who play that game.
A Chevron near my house has "93" that sends my 12 to 1 403 into fits about a mile down the street. Gonna empty down the tank and throw 5 gallons in, log the results and get them a 10k fine soon.
It is the owner of the station, not the oil company ya have to watch.

[ct06gto]

Exxon/mobil is not top tier?

[GTO Otto]

What makes gasoline top tier are the additives that are added at the terminal.

Top tier gasolines exceed the EPA requirements for detergent additives.

Discount brands just use straight pipeline gas with the minimum of additives.

Stay away from "unbranded" gas or stations with aged equipment.

Otto

[aintmisbehavinn]

I switched to Shell, seems to run good in all three of my rides...

[05SLPgoat]

I only use hess. Why isnt that on their?!? they HAVE to be teir 1

[Murphy]

ok is this "tier list" the list for premiums? or just regulars cuz god damn if ive been paying so much extra for the 93 from sunoco and its not even good stuff!!!!!! ...ima be pissed

[Tony]

Good discussion, thank you.

[8ball]

The one thing that is 100% about gas quality is that nobody except for the guys actually making the gas know what is what. There will be a ton of "experts" that will spout complete bullshit and try to pass it off as scientific knowledge. Nobody on here knows jack shit ... nobody.

Just don't get gas at a station who's sign says "GAS".
Anything name brand is government regulated, so you should be fine.
I'd be more worried about the 10-15% ethanol than the name of the top tier gas station.

And to prove my point ... these gas stations that are unbranded sell you name brand gas. Congratulations for falling into the first fallacy of "I actually know 1% of the gas business." There are no gas stations getting gas from some guy that brews it up in his backyard. We own one of these "Gas" gas stations and we get our gas from Sprague, Gulf, Citgo, Lukoil/Getty and a few others. XOM, BP, Shell, Chevron, etc. ... we'll never get gas from. We get gas on an auction-like basis. A wholesaler gets a price from companies to see what their price is. They buy from the cheapest source. They punch the numbers to make a profit and then pass it down to us.

What makes a top tier gas station a top tier gas station? How big they are. The name makes people feel all cozy inside. I've run everything from Sunoco to BP to Mobil to our own gas in all of our cars (5). Sunoco and our gas seem to do pretty well as far as gas mileage goes. BP and Mobil I find gas mileage goes down marginally, but noticeably. Cars don't seem to have as much "get up" either. Does that mean it's horrible gas? Meh, probably not, could be a bunch of factors, but it seems to be consistent. Does it make me believe that it's not much, if at all better, than these unbranded or lower level gas companies? You betcha. The only think you're paying for when going to these top tier stations (as you're likely paying a premium for them) is the name. As my dad says, "These companies are in business to make MONEY, that's it and that's all." People have this false notion that these companies actually give a rat's ass about any of you ... they don't, they want your money. They're not giving you some holy specially formulated gas. They're giving you gas with the security of a name ... so you can brag to your friends how you passed 72 gas stations because you don't DARE get gas from anywhere but [insert name here]. :rolleyes:

/rant

[flame suit on ... bring on all the e-experts that don't know any more than I or anybody else, but will come to a definitive conclusion about the gas that's better]

[k1sxs06]

I use shell v-power all the time and have used QT and BP once or twice and never noticed a difference. Stay clear of groccery store gas, cheap !!

[8ball]

Stay away from "unbranded" gas or stations with aged equipment.

Otto

Oooo, another one. Aged equipment. Heehee. Well, the EPA sent out a notice saying that all gas stations needed to have double wall tanks by Feb of 2009. The move drove many gas stations out of business. The fact that gas stations have made 0 profit (and I mean 0, that is NOT an exaggeration ... we have lost money more often than breaking even on gas alone) since early December of 2008. Back on topic ... we have stayed open. We have a double wall tank. Our gas station is pretty old. Been there back in the 70's as far back as we can trace, likely longer. Well, every Mobil in a 10 mile radius of us had to shut down to put these new tanks in. A Sunoco and a few other "top tier" companies. Hm. A nice shiny, trendy pump doesn't mean jack shit. The pump you deal with has about .00000000000001% to do with the quality of gas or anything otherwise. Those new high tech pumps ... yea, they're covering up the fact that the piping, tanks and other underground transport of the gas has been sitting there without being touched for nearly a century. Thank you, please come again ...

[8ball]

I use shell v-power all the time and have used QT and BP once or twice and never noticed a difference. Stay clear of groccery store gas, cheap !!

LoL, K! You know what you're talking about! Do you also give peace sign to cops as you rev your engine? Ooooo you must feel so special!! ^_^

[JTSnooks]

LoL, K! You know what you're talking about! Do you also give peace sign to cops as you rev your engine? Ooooo you must feel so special!! ^_^

:sneaky: No need to be a dick about it, especially when you're wrong :dunno:

I've run different gas brands in my GTO and so far have only found 2 that don't give me detonation on my current tune: BP and QT.

Both Kroger and RaceTrack resulted in a loss of power due to timing being pulled thanks to detonation (yes, I did a log). I also lost 1mpg due to the Kroger gas... couldn't get that out of the tank quick enough. So while you may get "name brand" gas, for a car running on the edge of what 93-octane can handle, your station is going to be hit-and-miss depending on which supplier you get that day. Argue with me all you want, but I've got logs to prove it and will stick with BP when it's available.

[Pulse_GTO]

I use grocery store gas cheep. My car runs as good as any other gas I have ever had it makes no difference at all. I have put all brands in it, and i never notice any difference at all.

[torinoman]

wal-mart gas sucks too. clogged the fuel filter in my old daily driver in a matter of months. Switched to QT and never had a problem again.

[gtojimbo]

i don't know anything about gas, but i try to only use nice clean newer name brand stations because i think their tanks are probably newer/better with less rust in them. years ago i lived in a neighborhood that was close to an older gas station and the gas tanks were so old they leaked. the fumes came up into some homes through the basement--it was'nt good.

[8ball]

:sneaky: No need to be a dick about it, especially when you're wrong :dunno:

I've run different gas brands in my GTO and so far have only found 2 that don't give me detonation on my current tune: BP and QT.

Both Kroger and RaceTrack resulted in a loss of power due to timing being pulled thanks to detonation (yes, I did a log). I also lost 1mpg due to the Kroger gas... couldn't get that out of the tank quick enough. So while you may get "name brand" gas, for a car running on the edge of what 93-octane can handle, your station is going to be hit-and-miss depending on which supplier you get that day. Argue with me all you want, but I've got logs to prove it and will stick with BP when it's available.

Ok, so one incident makes it the undeniable norm? Also, gas stations run in different ways. Some companies run the station strictly. Their contract is, "You buy from us, we'll set the price and give you a X cent cut." Others, "You have to buy gas from us, you can set the price as you like." Even more? Why certainly! Some say, "You must buy X gallons from us, the rest, buy from wherever." These are all name companies ... so you're lovey dovey station may have BP on the nameplate, but they're buying from the same people (wholesalers) as the 'GAS' gas station down the street for a number of its fill-ups. Different companies are different, different stations are different (depending on who owns the land, personal or company) and even by area from what I've come to know. Heck, one of our workers works at a BP station in the mornings. They change out their filters ... well, he can't remember because its so irregular. Am I saying "Bahhh, those Tier 1 gas stations are giving you terrible gas, they need to dieeee!!" No. They give you good quality gas I'm sure. But people put them on a pedestal as if they're putting holy water into their cars. Truth is, that gas isn't much, if at all better than any other gas ... and Hell, it could very well BE the gas that's being sold at that no-name brand grocery store that you're putting down. Ain't that a cozy thought? Sleep well tonight.


Oh, BTW ... I've filled up my car with our own no-name brand icky-sicky gas with a cammed turbo car pushing 10psi ... not even a hint of detonation. Tons of valve float during the dyno and thus only making 450rwHP (zOMG, see, it's the gas, it wasn't the valve! [No, the dyno was done using Sunoco 93, I was upstate and no other choice]). So, by your logic, my experience would say that our gas is just as good as BP since it can keep a highly modded car happy? Yayyy ... I'm gonna hug our gas station tomorrow =D

[04joel]

The one thing that is 100% about gas quality is that nobody except for the guys actually making the gas know what is what. There will be a ton of "experts" that will spout complete bullshit and try to pass it off as scientific knowledge. Nobody on here knows jack shit ... nobody.



And to prove my point ... these gas stations that are unbranded sell you name brand gas. Congratulations for falling into the first fallacy of "I actually know 1% of the gas business." There are no gas stations getting gas from some guy that brews it up in his backyard. We own one of these "Gas" gas stations and we get our gas from Sprague, Gulf, Citgo, Lukoil/Getty and a few others. XOM, BP, Shell, Chevron, etc. ... we'll never get gas from. We get gas on an auction-like basis. A wholesaler gets a price from companies to see what their price is. They buy from the cheapest source. They punch the numbers to make a profit and then pass it down to us.

What makes a top tier gas station a top tier gas station? How big they are. The name makes people feel all cozy inside. I've run everything from Sunoco to BP to Mobil to our own gas in all of our cars (5). Sunoco and our gas seem to do pretty well as far as gas mileage goes. BP and Mobil I find gas mileage goes down marginally, but noticeably. Cars don't seem to have as much "get up" either. Does that mean it's horrible gas? Meh, probably not, could be a bunch of factors, but it seems to be consistent. Does it make me believe that it's not much, if at all better, than these unbranded or lower level gas companies? You betcha. The only think you're paying for when going to these top tier stations (as you're likely paying a premium for them) is the name. As my dad says, "These companies are in business to make MONEY, that's it and that's all." People have this false notion that these companies actually give a rat's ass about any of you ... they don't, they want your money. They're not giving you some holy specially formulated gas. They're giving you gas with the security of a name ... so you can brag to your friends how you passed 72 gas stations because you don't DARE get gas from anywhere but [insert name here]. :rolleyes:

/rant

[flame suit on ... bring on all the e-experts that don't know any more than I or anybody else, but will come to a definitive conclusion about the gas that's better]

Alright kid time to calm down the E-rant. I worked for Shell Fuels and SOPUS products for 4 years, So im the wild card on here that does know a little bit of shit... First, hands down Chevrons fuel is and I repeat "IS" the worlds best when it comes to the additive package and overall quality of refined fuel. Techroline has and still is considered the best fuel additive package industry wide. BP and Shell come in a close second and third. With that said it is Unfortunate that it is up to the station owners to choose who they buy there fuel from after they meet there contract buying obligations. Yes, the owners of these Name Brand Stations are under contract to buy X amount of Brand name fuel with the brand name company additive package in it every month. Is that brand name additive package designed to make the fuel more efficent and prevent deposits better than the governments mandatory minimum detergent level which is what is served at most ma and pa stations? YES..... Because even though your station is buying bulk fuel from say Shell or BP, and then selling it at your un-branded station, you are NOT getting the propiertary additive package. That friend is only sold to the branded stations.

These big wigs dont waste millions of dollars with patents, development and testing on there additive packages for nothing, and you are right, they just want to sell product... And how do they sell that product? Just like you said, Name brand recognition and fuzzy feelings. But they got that recognition by providing a technically superior product that ten times out of ten will outperform the government standard fuel any day of the week even if its only by small amounts.

Top Tier has nothing to do with size because in the world of fuel QT isnt shit... About 10 years ago manufacturers like Toyota, BMW, and GM began to notice a high amount of waranty claims in the area of faulty and defective fuel systems. i.e. clogged pumps, and injectors. Turns out fuel that contained large amounts of sulpher liked to clog parts. So to remedy this problem the Top tier fuel standard was agreed upon by the OEM's. The fuel and additive package must go through a series of tests in order to be top tier approved. Is it cheap? no, thats why only the majors are on the list, is it a conspiracy to sell gas between the OEM's and the Fuel companies? Might be... but has it cut down on the amount of fuel system waranty claims? Yes again.

Finally average cost diference between Name brand fuel and Ma and Pa, .05cents a gallon. Not exactly a ripoff, and its still cheaper than pouring in a store bought bottle a fuel additive per tank to compensate.

Do I swear up and down by one companies fuel? no... Have I got burned from bad gas from a name brand station? Yes... Do I know some fuels are better than others? Yes.. Will I be called out on being biased because I used to work for the man? Probally...

[8ball]

So you worked for SOPUS. What department? Did you actually physically see every facet of the operation that went around? Did you see the chemical formulations and long-term testing that was done to prove how much better fuel A was compared to fuel B? Not trying to be an ass, I don't mind being educated on the matter because honestly, 99.99999999% of people are completely clueless as to what the fuck goes on behind the making/refining of gas.

Also, I find it very hard to believe that the proprietary additives are only given to the branded gas stations. That means they would have separate terminals for wholesalers and for only branded gas stations. That just doesn't seem fiscally responsible. What these companies do (from what I've seen) is either refuse selling to wholesalers or have prices that they know wholesalers won't go for. "AHA! So Brand X doesn't give no-name brand gas stations gas. We're safe!" No, because those name brand stations can buy gas from wholesalers as well once the allotted gallons are bought under contract. Its completely legal under their contracts. The company requires the station buy an X amount from the company, the rest they can get from anywhere else, and you can bet they're going for the lowest bidder. So, as I said, that top tier gas station may be selling gas that people are saying, "I'd NEVER get my gas from there."

As far as average savings. Right now with the downed economy, I've seen these top tier gas companies becoming increasingly competitive in price. However, it wasn't but a year ago that these prices were vastly different. Now? Yes, anywhere from .02 to .10 cents different, but back a year ago, differences of .15-.25 cents were closer to the norm.

I agree with your last statement tho. It's a crapshoot really. Can you get good gas at a no-name brand gas station? I certainly believe so. Can you get bad gas at a top tier? I've heard more than one story. However, in my experience, I just can't believe that these top tier gases are so vastly superior that people will berate all other gas and fall into the notion that what they're using will cure cancer and be the end-all of "good" gas.

I don't claim to know everything, nor do I believe there are but a handful of people do. However, I have had no ill effects from filling up at our unbranded station and have even had my car apart to find an incredibly clean top end with no adverse signs of using said gas. Also, let's be realistic ... manufacturers are in bed with oil companies. If not, and if what you say is true about Chevron, then why doesn't every single manufacturer recommend the same gasoline companies (in this case, Chevron)?

Either way, I have nothing to gain by incessantly replying to this thread. I know people will stick with what they're comfortable with. People will even argue over which top tier gas is the best. Same with "which motor oil is best?" Funny how the oil from top tier companies like Mobil 1 (ExxonMobil) and Castrol (BP) have come out to be not-so-great with the introduction of large scale oil analysis ... just saying :)

[BlueGoat06]

I feel pretty confortable with BP, that's the only gas i use in the Goat since i started tuning my car. 2nd option goes to Mobil. i'll rarely see KR, but i'm sure that has to do more with the tune than the gas i use. i choosed BP when i started tuning and somehow ended up sticking with it cause around here they doen't mix the gas with the 10% ethanol crap, or at least they don't advertise it on most of the gas stations i've filled up from NW Ohio to Dearborn,MI, same thing with the oil, i've used Mobil1, Penzoil Platinum and GC, tried 5W30,10W30 and 0W30, sticking with GC 0W30 since it's giving me better oil pressure at high rpm and runs a tad cooler at the same operating conditions compared to the other 2.

[aintmisbehavinn]

I think it matters more in the long run, if you want to run the cheap shit, over time, you get cheap, if you use the better stuff, and not all top tiers participate in the top tier BS, your motor will be more efficent in the long run. You decide, government shit from Chavez or clean burn from elsewhere. Go ahead put GAS in and believe all the BS about it's the same, 50K later, look inside your motor. Time will tell when your digging out sand from South America or your motor starts hesitating. When I broke down my 350 after 155K I ran Citgo and some other "cheap" it don't matter gasolines, it was gummed to hell, especially the tops of the pistons. After a fresh rebuild and another 100K with only Amoco 93, I pulled the heads for a 3 angle valve job and the tops of the TRW's were sqeeky clean. That was enough to convince me that cheap is cheap and the more expensive brands, especially those stations that turn higher volumes, in many cases performed much better. With FI, I'm not going to run just anything regardless of how many tanks and additives people read about or think of, or which bargain they got when or who they know at what tanking facility or whatever. Shell runs clean, so does Chevron, so if you are going to try to convince me that some tank out there is dumping the same additives in every tanker, I don't believe it. The rebuild doesn't lie.. find a high volume dealer and go for it and if's it top tier then I don't think you can go wrong.

[JRich]

I am not an expert on the subject but I do know of a certain wholesale place that has been found guilty of filling tanks of the name brand stations with the crappy fuel in the name of more profit. Also from what I hear this is not an unusual occurence so that fuel you are buying you really have no way of knowing what kind it is. Oh yeah this was a chevron station

[GTO 06]

looks like it's Shell V-Power® for me from now on...

it's the only Tier 1 fuel in my area....

BTW: this should be a sticky

[emg32]

I mainly use Texaco gas. No problems.

[JTSnooks]

Ok, so one incident makes it the undeniable norm? Also, gas stations run in different ways. Some companies run the station strictly. Their contract is, "You buy from us, we'll set the price and give you a X cent cut." Others, "You have to buy gas from us, you can set the price as you like." Even more? Why certainly! Some say, "You must buy X gallons from us, the rest, buy from wherever." These are all name companies ... so you're lovey dovey station may have BP on the nameplate, but they're buying from the same people (wholesalers) as the 'GAS' gas station down the street for a number of its fill-ups. Different companies are different, different stations are different (depending on who owns the land, personal or company) and even by area from what I've come to know. Heck, one of our workers works at a BP station in the mornings. They change out their filters ... well, he can't remember because its so irregular. Am I saying "Bahhh, those Tier 1 gas stations are giving you terrible gas, they need to dieeee!!" No. They give you good quality gas I'm sure. But people put them on a pedestal as if they're putting holy water into their cars. Truth is, that gas isn't much, if at all better than any other gas ... and Hell, it could very well BE the gas that's being sold at that no-name brand grocery store that you're putting down. Ain't that a cozy thought? Sleep well tonight.


Oh, BTW ... I've filled up my car with our own no-name brand icky-sicky gas with a cammed turbo car pushing 10psi ... not even a hint of detonation. Tons of valve float during the dyno and thus only making 450rwHP (zOMG, see, it's the gas, it wasn't the valve! [No, the dyno was done using Sunoco 93, I was upstate and no other choice]). So, by your logic, my experience would say that our gas is just as good as BP since it can keep a highly modded car happy? Yayyy ... I'm gonna hug our gas station tomorrow =D

I didn't say it was an undeniable norm, I said it was hit and miss. As for the rest of your rant, bitter much?

[jmasse]

The local Costco is extremely high volume and they have the cleanest fueling facility I have visited. Generally I have to wait in line to get to a pump.

I have used 2 Tanks in my FI car and have not had any issue so far.

Their philosophy is name brand products in larger volumes at lower margins. I assume this relates to their gas as well.

Thoughts?

[8ball]

I didn't say it was an undeniable norm, I said it was hit and miss. As for the rest of your rant, bitter much?

Didn't mean for it to come off as bitter, I'm just tired of having to battle people on a day to day basis on the topic. When the economy really started tanking, the gas market was a clusterfuck. There was a time when a Mobil gas station was selling for the price that we were buying ... tell me how that makes any sense. Anywho, we're not going to give away gas, so our prices haven't been nearly as competitive as they used to be ... well, people got riled up about it and started screaming about how they shouldn't be paying the same or more than the named guys because our gas is much lower in quality. Do I need to show you the countless invoices we have coming from name brand company's terminals? I just ignore these people now, but it still gets me riled up inside ... just venting on here.

Honestly, it's a "which oil/CAI/cam/etc. is better?" topic. People are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what. There are countless "experts" on any topic you want to discuss in life ... most of whom have little to no tangible experience in the matter (funny, ain't it?). It's a losing battle, I know, waste of time ... but just something I wanted to get out there .... and since I have nothing better to do on the weekends xP

[8ball]

The local Costco is extremely high volume and they have the cleanest fueling facility I have visited. Generally I have to wait in line to get to a pump.

I have used 2 Tanks in my FI car and have not had any issue so far.

Their philosophy is name brand products in larger volumes at lower margins. I assume this relates to their gas as well.

Thoughts?

Yes, CostCo, BJ's, etc ... I believe they're aiming for volume as opposed to profit margin. They expect to sell over 10,000 gallons every day, while the average gas station may only see 3k-5k gallons. I have been told that BJ's and CostCo do have their own gas terminals tho. So, they may be making their own concoctions ... true or not, I can't say for certain as I've just been told this and have not driven past an actual terminal labeled under the BJ's or CostCo name. However, another thing is that their rock bottom pricing is for members only. You have to pay for that membership, so it helps with their annual profits. Non-members have to pay more, which usually winds up being similar to the bargain priced gas station's prices.

No matter what, you'll have people saying you're going to blow up your motor running anything but Tier 1 gasoline. I see to go against the grain quite often on this site ... and, despite doing so, my car still runs flawlessly when it should have a popped motor, useless supercharger and basically imploded in on itself and left a swirling black hole in my garage ... meh ...

[sunnyday]

I use BP Amaco Ultimate because our local supplier doesn’t cut it 10% with alcohol.

[GTO Otto]

8 Ball,

Propriety additives are injected at the terminal, just like ethanol.

All of the majors have two prices, branded(with additives), and unbranded(without additives).

Otto

[BlackSabbath]

i only use stations that have a nice quikimart

[HQuakers]

I put Sunoco in my car. They refine the stuff not too far away along the Delaware, and I've never had a problem with their quality...plus, no 10% ethanol (at least the station I go to).

[JTSnooks]

Every freaking station around here uses 10% ethanol. Price stays the same, and you get 5% lower mileage. What a great scheme :cursin:

[GTO4now]

Every freaking station around here uses 10% ethanol. Price stays the same, and you get 5% lower mileage. What a great scheme :cursin:

Yep...I've been noticing that myself. Bastards!

[05SLPgoat]

i WISH their was a gas station around me on Long Island that didn't use Ethanol!

[SJFGTO]

Great discussion in here. I've learned allot. Personally, I only stop at the stations with the cleanest restrooms (Chervon or Shell, never Citgo-two bad experiences with their gas, er...bathrooms). Seriously, this thread oughta be a sticky.

[GTO 06]

Just remember it's almost time for the electric car.. so the gas prices must go up...

otherwise why would think of buying an elecrtic car..
the gas prices are starting to go up for what reason..

it's called the great american buy out plan..price of gas around 5.00 a gallon and guess what you will be in lines for an electric car as soon as the 3 automaker get there money back the gas prices will drop...mark my words..would you buy an electric car if the price of was around 1.50 a gallon?? nope....

while i'm in a good rant.. I have one more thing that driving me crazy..
the stimulas package... My company just notified me that I will have to take a 5% pay cut .. just in time for me to get the stimulas package..strange how things like this works...heheheheh

[ls2alex]

this is gonna end bad
:ban:

[GTOgirlinblue]

I normanlly run Shell or BP...but when I had a tough week, I put Meijer gas in on 3 seperate occasions... all 3 times I got a MAX of 7.7 MPG...went and topped off with shell and promptly watched my MPG rise...personally, I think higher quality makes the biggest difference...at least it did in mine. But we all know how stubborn our cars can be :)

[8ball]

Just remember it's almost time for the electric car.. so the gas prices must go up...

otherwise why would think of buying an elecrtic car..
the gas prices are starting to go up for what reason..

it's called the great american buy out plan..price of gas around 5.00 a gallon and guess what you will be in lines for an electric car as soon as the 3 automaker get there money back the gas prices will drop...mark my words..would you buy an electric car if the price of was around 1.50 a gallon?? nope....

while i'm in a good rant.. I have one more thing that driving me crazy..
the stimulas package... My company just notified me that I will have to take a 5% pay cut .. just in time for me to get the stimulas package..strange how things like this works...heheheheh

Gas prices are going up because the market everywhere blows. God forbid the big heads in the oil industry make less than 9-digits in profits, so gas prices go up. That's not the only reason, but a big reason. There's nothing going on to drive the price up, yet, every few days, our price is jumping by 10 cents. It's ludicrous, but we're helpless to stop it.

Buy electric? Right now, it's not a feasible option. Also, look thru history. Electric cars have failed miserably. Chevy Volt? What happened to that? Another thing to think about, look at just about every lawn tool in the market. Compare the electric v. gas tools. The electric tools may be cheaper, but they generally suck ... they perform terribly, take prolonged periods to recharge and are generally highly unreliable. If that's not enough, electricity doesn't grow from thin air. You can count on energy companies doing exactly what the oil companies are doing. All of a sudden, you're going to have to work an hour a day just to pay off toasting your bread in the morning. Hell, if this were to happen, you can bet the big oil companies would scramble to get their foot into the business of providing energy for whatever is on the road.

Am I against alternative energy? Hell no. However, let's be realistic ... wherever we turn to to power our cars, we'll constantly be screwed by an oligarchy of big time execs looking to make as much profit as they can. It's an endless, vicious cycle. :(

[8ball]

Great discussion in here. I've learned allot. Personally, I only stop at the stations with the cleanest restrooms (Chervon or Shell, never Citgo-two bad experiences with their gas, er...bathrooms). Seriously, this thread oughta be a sticky.

Ugh. I generally strive to keep our bathroom clean. For the most part, it's as clean as the average household bathroom. We also like to leave it unlocked for our customers to use at will. It's around the side of the building, so anyone can just pop in. One morning a taxi cab driver zoomed in. She, yes, she ... ran out of her car and into the bathroom. Didn't think anything of it ... girls have to pee every 10mins. Went to go to the bathroom shortly after ... puddles of the most grotesque bodily fluids SPRAYED everywhere. I almost threw up ... we keep the door locked now ...

[SJFGTO]

Ugh. I generally strive to keep our bathroom clean. For the most part, it's as clean as the average household bathroom. We also like to leave it unlocked for our customers to use at will. It's around the side of the building, so anyone can just pop in. One morning a taxi cab driver zoomed in. She, yes, she ... ran out of her car and into the bathroom. Didn't think anything of it ... girls have to pee every 10mins. Went to go to the bathroom shortly after ... puddles of the most grotesque bodily fluids SPRAYED everywhere. I almost threw up ... we keep the door locked now ... Yikes! Just plain Yikes!!! The worst experience I had with fuel came from a Mobil station with my 69 Camaro. Shortly after getting gas it ran like hell. Drained the tank and the amount of water in there was unbelievable. I went back to the station with some of their gas-water and raised hell. I know the problem was the station's and not the oil company, but you can run into problems anywhere.

[IDNTWN2]

Ugh. I generally strive to keep our bathroom clean. For the most part, it's as clean as the average household bathroom. We also like to leave it unlocked for our customers to use at will. It's around the side of the building, so anyone can just pop in. One morning a taxi cab driver zoomed in. She, yes, she ... ran out of her car and into the bathroom. Didn't think anything of it ... girls have to pee every 10mins. Went to go to the bathroom shortly after ... puddles of the most grotesque bodily fluids SPRAYED everywhere. I almost threw up ... we keep the door locked now ...

It was techroline.

[06GTOSC]

Gas prices are going up because the market everywhere blows. God forbid the big heads in the oil industry make less than 9-digits in profits, so gas prices go up. That's not the only reason, but a big reason. There's nothing going on to drive the price up, yet, every few days, our price is jumping by 10 cents. It's ludicrous, but we're helpless to stop it.

Actually its because the price of oil has been going up. All the oil companies pay whatever the host country they pump it out of will sell it for. This conspiracy shit got old last year.

[T-bones Goat]

Hey 8ball, if you come south and need tanks and equipment installed, look me up. :)

[8ball]

Actually its because the price of oil has been going up. All the oil companies pay whatever the host country they pump it out of will sell it for. This conspiracy shit got old last year.

LoL ... that's for clearing that up, I wasn't completely sure. So, tell us all, what has caused the oil prices to rebound in the past 6 months? Oil company said, "demand is falling, so we're cutting supply to drive up the price!" Ok ... but then, demand still fell at a faster rate than supply. Basic Economics 101 ... this should drive the price down. Instead, prices continually go up. If you don't think the fuel behind this is sheer greed ... well, God bless you.

Hey 8ball, if you come south and need tanks and equipment installed, look me up. :)

How 'bout you come up north? Our pump guy sucks, lol.

[drawk04]

sinclair premium....100 percent gasoline

[danieloneil01]

I work at a Pipeline and gas is all the same excluding Additives and Octane Rating. And in an 8500 gallon tanker truck it recieves less than 1 gallon of the additive. Diesel is all the same though, no additives.


FYI