Gas to E-85

[jonathan8751]

Ok i have been getting mixed answers on the subject what all parts will need to be changed out to run e-85 safely. I am about to upgrade my whole fuel system trying to hit 1k rwhp and thought e-85 would help me get there safely. Some people say that I need to change out every thing ,some just say get bigger injectors.

[JohnF]

My comments about just running bigger injectors and a pump were for MY power level. 1k whp, your ass is gonna need to replace everything anyways I imagine LOL.

[Steel Chicken]

30% more fuel for the same power level for e85 compared to dino juice.
enough fuel flow and injector for 1300 rwhp.
sumped tank, uber pumps and 160# ish injectors.

[mistermike]

Someone told you that all you needed for a 1000 RWHP fuel system is new injectors?
I'll keep my smart mouth shut on that one.

This requires a heroic fuel system just to do gasoline. For ethanol add an additional 30-40% fuel delivery capacity. If you want it streetable, make it a dual pump system or have one hell of a pump controller. Get out the gold card, dad.

[JohnF]

Someone told you that all you needed for a 1000 RWHP fuel system is new injectors?
I'll keep my smart mouth shut on that one.


No, I think he may have been referring to me saying all "I" would need would be more pump and injectors. I'm in the under 500whp category. No where near the 4 digits LOL

[mistermike]

Whew!

[JohnF]

haha yea. That and I believe this thread is aimed at the corrosion factor people associate with e85, more so than what model pumps and lines do I need for XXXX hp.

[mistermike]

30% more fuel for the same power level for e85 compared to dino juice.
enough fuel flow and injector for 1300 rwhp.
sumped tank, uber pumps and 160# ish injectors.

Der Krauthammer sez Uber der gerpumpen.

At that point, I'd say smurf the E85, and do a BS3 with 16 injectors, running pump gas through the first set, race gas through the second. A couple of big ass Weldons, a step down for the primary pump, and call it a day. Jim from Speed Inc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/speedinc/sets/721576 03181597231/)had a setup that was good for 200 MPH and picked up groceries like a stocker.

[Steel Chicken]

haha yea. That and I believe this thread is aimed at the corrosion factor people associate with e85, more so than what model pumps and lines do I need for XXXX hp.

Corrosion is left over bad info from the 70's
Modern cars can handle ethanol just fine.

[JohnF]

Yea thats where my "Just need pump and injectors" came from. But I was referring to my setup, not a turbo 408 lol

[jonathan8751]

I know I already have to get a complete fuel system but for a e-85 setup all I would have to buy differently would be injectors and pump . I was wondering if I would have to buy different special fittings, lines, etc. I figured since I already have to change why not go e-85. I was looking at the lonnies double pumper kit but trying to price a custom kit. Tap the tank, put a pump in the spare tire well, and use my stock line as return.

[jonathan8751]

Someone told you that all you needed for a 1000 RWHP fuel system is new injectors?
I'll keep my smart mouth shut on that one.

This requires a heroic fuel system just to do gasoline. For ethanol add an additional 30-40% fuel delivery capacity. If you want it streetable, make it a dual pump system or have one hell of a pump controller. Get out the gold card, dad.


read second sentence of op. whole fuel system



Der Krauthammer sez Uber der gerpumpen.

At that point, I'd say smurf the E85, and do a BS3 with 16 injectors, running pump gas through the first set, race gas through the second. A couple of big ass Weldons, a step down for the primary pump, and call it a day. Jim from Speed Inc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/speedinc/sets/721576 03181597231/)had a setup that was good for 200 MPH and picked up groceries like a stocker.



That souds a little out of my price range . What would a system like that run me? >$2000

[littlecrunch2000]

gotta pay to play.... lol. good luck

[shizon]

Yes, you will pay more than $2000 for a setup to do what you want to do. Here's what you need depending on how you plan on making the power:

1) Sumped tank with two outputs + return
2) 1 smaller external pump (like a Bosch 044) on all the time
3) Magnafuel 4303 kicked on in boost
4) Filters/lines
5) AEM injector converter (with optional racetronix harness) or BS3
6) 160# injectors (you can probably get by with 120# and a higher fuel pressure)
7) Boost referenced FPR
8) rails

We're over 800rwhp with E85 with only the magnafuel 4303 and 120# injectors, but we're close to the end. This system has been very reliable.

[jonathan8751]

Yes, you will pay more than $2000 for a setup to do what you want to do. Here's what you need depending on how you plan on making the power:

1) Sumped tank with two outputs + return
2) 1 smaller external pump (like a Bosch 044) on all the time
3) Magnafuel 4303 kicked on in boost
4) Filters/lines
5) AEM injector converter (with optional racetronix harness) or BS3
6) 160# injectors (you can probably get by with 120# and a higher fuel pressure)
7) Boost referenced FPR
8) rails

We're over 800rwhp with E85 with only the magnafuel 4303 and 120# injectors, but we're close to the end. This system has been very reliable.



do you have any pics of this setup?

[shizon]

Yes, http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1562 43&highlight=e85

Could do it with less fittings than we did

[jonathan8751]

thank you . thats what I am going to do. I wish u lived in Louisana.

[JohnF]

We got that. Buy the parts and lets start wrenching LOL

[jonathan8751]

thats what I was thinking. We might even invite Chris to watch, hes not allowed to touch my car.lol.