hub rings are useless...

[multistrada74]

no fucking difference is wheel shimmy at highway speeds. i'm annoyed as fuck! i hate these shit box cars. time for a z06.

[LSPWR]

Have you had the wheels Roadforce balanced? or had a wheel/tire run-out done to make sure it is not a stretched band in the tire that will only show itself when pressure is applied.

[LSPWR]

On a side note, I would have to agree about the hub ring statement. It is only good for the intial installation of the lug nuts. Once they have all been torqued in sequence properly the wheel is centered to the lugs. The hub ring is good for centering the wheel long enough to actually install all the lugs.

[multistrada74]

its just rediculous that a car has this inherent issue. ive never heard of a car so sensative. im over it. problem with road force balancing is that one you take the wheels off again your fucked.

[BlackGOAT07]

Do you have the plastic hub rings or the billet ones?

[Deak]

If you got the rodaforce balancing done, you could mark a wheel stud and reinstall the tire back in the same spot it had come off.
For me, I found if I torque the rims while in the air I don't have a problem with vibration. *knocks on wood.

[gp06gto]

at what speed is it happening? went does it start and does it stop after a high speed? is the front tight? hows the alignment?

[gp06gto]

higher speed?

[05gtslow]

I would change the title of this thread to "hub rings didn't help my problem" because you certainly can't determine they are useless just because you STILL have a steering wobble after installing them (which could be caused by a plethora of things).

[mistermike]

Tapered seat nuts will center the wheel accurately without a ring. It's not necessary. Running a tire on a bad radius rod bushing can cause cupping wear that will continue the shimmy even after the RR bush is replaced.

[yachtgoat06]

I just put new tires on my TSW wheels, hit the interstate for a quick test....smooth as silk.
Regular balance job, and the new tires required VERY little weight.

[multistrada74]

guys............everything is upgraded on my car and perfect. it's really simple in my opinion...we have a front suspension that is horribly designed and inherently flawed. why the fuck would they run a radius rod set up in 2005? wtf? retarded. plus...no car should be this sensative. just cheesy. cannot believe they allowed this car out of the assembly line knowing it does this.

[sporaclic]

hmm you sound as mad as i was 2 years ago.
Now that you made me think about it.. im still just as mad.

The worst part is.. stock wheels with good tires rarely shake.. EVER.

Try less torque on your lugnuts.
Try 90 and 95 lbs.

[jamesbiz]

I would change the title of this thread to "hub rings didn't help my problem" because you certainly can't determine they are useless just because you STILL have a steering wobble after installing them (which could be caused by a plethora of things).

Thank you. The majority of my customers report no more vibration after install. Some report a little vibration but a lot less. And of course some report nothing at all, which means the hub rings didn't help because that was not the cause of your vibration in the first place. Just because they didn't work for you doesn't make them useless. I know that if they were, I'd sure have a hell of a lot of returns, yet not a single one to date has even hinted at them not working.

[multistrada74]

AGAIN guys...done it all. the front suspension on this car is shit. my buddy is one of the designers of the pratt and miller vette race car and he looked at the front suspension on my gto and laughed. he said "dude...that's your problem right there!" .

[jamesbiz]

so why does that mean hubrings are useless?

You sure it's not your wings? I don't know how many times I've heard " front splitter" and "vibration" in the same sentence, let alone those little winglets. Have you wind tunnel tested them?

[kebler2005]

so why does that mean hubrings are useless?

You sure it's not your wings? I don't know how many times I've heard " front splitter" and "vibration" in the same sentence, let alone those little winglets. Have you wind tunnel tested them?

Mine didnt work, but thats my fault because I didnt know what to order so assumed the hub size was the same size, and what ya no, not! My rims where werent even on the list.

[multistrada74]

with or without splitter or canards. c'mon dude. and yes...they are torqued right and in the correct sequence. radius rod suspension....shit. but in fairness to your biz...i'm sure hub rings suit a purpose. just not to fix the bad design our cars front suspension has.

[Steel Chicken]

AGAIN guys...done it all. the front suspension on this car is shit. my buddy is one of the designers of the pratt and miller vette race car and he looked at the front suspension on my gto and laughed. he said "dude...that's your problem right there!" .

You have friends way cooler than us, and deserve a far better car than a GTO. Sell it, and move on.

[itslow]

...problem with road force balancing is that one you take the wheels off again your smurfed.

Road force balancing isn't done with the wheels on the car. You can take the wheels off and reinstall them in a difference position; the balance of the wheel will not change.

[gp06gto]

What Are Your Alignment Specs? Bad Caster Angles Will Effect High Speed Driving.

[Underoath]

You've made your decision. GTFO :)

[r0nd3L]

It's probably your tires or shitty wheels.

In my case, it's always been misbalanced or cupped tires.

[irvbulldogs72]

Your hubrings are doing their job. They're centering the wheel on the hub and allowing the hub the bear the weight and force of the wheel.

[Summerwolf]

I changed the plastic hubrings to Jamesbiz ones and have a lot less vibrations....never had vibrations with the stock wheels only aftermarket ones.....thats the problem I've had.

[hot_mic_64d]

just got new thruxtons yesterday. i have jamesbiz hubcentric rings and with the tires that came on the rims (nankang's) they wobbled bad. Went today and got them road force balanced and found out that every single tire was more than 30 pounds of force. the limit is 26. Those are brand new Nankangs (piece's of shit). So i ended up buying Nitto invo's and i absolutley love them (by the way each Invo came through the road force at less than 6 pounds on the road force balancer where as the Nankangs where more than 30 each). As smooth as my stock 18"s. learned my lesson on buying shitty tires just because i thought it would save me money.

[multistrada74]

too many people have never been able to fix this issue and it's too big of an issue 4 me personally to overlook. cleaning up the shitbox and moving on. been fun! kinda.

[Underoath]

too many people have never been able to fix this issue and it's too big of an issue 4 me personally to overlook. cleaning up the shitbox and moving on. been fun! kinda.

DLTDHYITAOTWO

[Shift_GRIND]

Dont blame the car because you dont know how to put a wheel on.

[SpeedGTO]

so why does that mean hubrings are useless?

You sure it's not your wings? I don't know how many times I've heard " front splitter" and "vibration" in the same sentence, let alone those little winglets. Have you wind tunnel tested them?

ding ding ding...... that was my problem at 120+..... damn splitter! lol.

[Mr. Black]

Put stock wheels back on the car and I bet the problem goes away. Just a thought.

[Q2SUPHOMIES]

I had purchased TSW Indy's were fricking terrible with the hub centric rings that were sent. The company just sent a default brand ring and I called them back and told them I felt it road like crap. The then sent me the actual TSW brand rings...now everything is fine. Go figure...send people shit ..see if they complain..if they do then send them what they should have had in the beginning...

[CrAzYGOAT]

got stock wheels and just recently got the car up to about 140 and it was strong like bull... not a single vibration... sucks to be you lol

so sell your "shitbox" and gtfo

[DAFFYDRUNK]

I was gonna add that even an RFB can be worthless if the operator is clueless or does not give a crap.

Take the wheels where they can give you some actual numbers and talk shop about the machine a little.

[SCVDon]

Don't forget to set the impact wrench air to 150 psi and then tighten till the studs moan. Screw the torque wrench. Blame the car.

[Shift_GRIND]

if this guy actually sells his car because he cant put on a wheel correctly thats epic.

my stock 18's were smooth at 145mph before i slowed down, tsw's have only been up to 120 and smooth.

its not that hard man.

[sspdfreek]

Aftermarket wheels can be crap for balance/road force. Sounds like i should buy that horribly designed car from you..... how much/little are you askin?

[MTGOAT]

i get the shimmy pretty bad too. I had my wheels/tires road forced balanced with new REO50 pole positoins on it. took 10lbs and 15 lbs to balance. I ordered the hub rings from james hoping to fix the issue. I torqued them at 100 ftlbs yesterday too.

its annoying, but not worth selling. I have way too much invested. just installed my Track II also, thought that might fix it, nada.

[multistrada74]

to the assholes being dicks about my post.... go fuck yourselves. i know how to torque wheels in a pattern sequence and work on cars. i also raced professionally for 12 years, so i have a pretty decent understanding of how it all works, to say the very least. the car has an inherent flaw and is overly sensative to shit even slightly imperfect. that is just not accpetable. but....hopefully my new tires that arrived today will fix the issue. if not, the car is gone.

[05 goater]

wow sorry to hear that i got the billet hub rings and mine worked pretty good got rid of almost all of the wobble i had except for 50-60 it wobbles but then after 60 its gone

[Shift_GRIND]

to the assholes being dicks about my post.... go smurf yourselves. i know how to torque wheels in a pattern sequence and work on cars. i also raced professionally for 12 years, so i have a pretty decent understanding of how it all works, to say the very least. the car has an inherent flaw and is overly sensative to shit even slightly imperfect. that is just not accpetable. but....hopefully my new tires that arrived today will fix the issue. if not, the car is gone.

Yes, the car has a flaw. for some reason mine drives perfect with no wobbles on both the stock 18's and my aftermarket 18's as do many others.

Im off to go fuck myself now :turbonaug

[Mr. Black]

to the assholes being dicks about my post.... go smurf yourselves. i know how to torque wheels in a pattern sequence and work on cars. i also raced professionally for 12 years, so i have a pretty decent understanding of how it all works,

That is fa kin supah

[fivepoint7]

I use hub rings and they work great. Love it.

[Doric]

I use hub rings and they work great. Love it.
No. You're wrong. We have an independent, unbiased expert here who says that they do not work and can even cause your car to spin out of control and enter an alternate dimension where you crash over and over and over again until you're nothing but a pile of human, rubber, and metal particles.

Stay away from hub rings. They're just plain bad news.

[LBarnes]

I stated this many times with on response from anyone. I have two GTO's, 05 & 06, sometimes I get the 60mph wobble and sometimes I don't. Like this morning left home and drove 18 minutes with shake. Stopped got back on the road again and no shake. Sometimes doing a hard turn makes it go away.
This is the stangest thing I have ever experienced. My son who is Hunter certified has given up trying to figure it out. We have changed tires, wheels, and rebalanced. Both cars do what they want when they want. I guess we just live with it.

[GTOGRRRR]

now i know why, after searching for 5 years for aftermarket wheels for the GOAT, i'm still with oem....such a pleasure to drive....smooooooth as butter....stock 17's FTW....:judge:

if i ever go aftermarket i will definately be keeping my stock wheels...

here is a pic of some AZA's i got early on....used the metal rings and road force balanced...the shimmy was still there at 60mph....sucked bigtime...

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=110784&stc=1&d=1249603524

[Underoath]

Its just a shitbox car. Sell it.

[blubrdls1]

They seem to work well for me... Hmmm :)

[multistrada74]

lbarnes and gtorrrr.....thank you for making this idiots realize that this has nothing to do with anything that i have done or not done to the car. i know how to torque wheels you twits. stop being so damn offended that these cars have major flaws, and stfu. it's a fact, not a myth or an issue of people not putting the wheels on right. give me a break. 99% of cars on the road you could throw the wheels on with bubble gum and they wheel wouldn't shimmy at certian speeds!!!! the fact that it happens at cetain spped only, proves it has nothing to do with anything but some strange inherent harmonics type issue. the car has exponential design flaws. get over it.

[Underoath]

lbarnes and gtorrrr.....thank you for making this idiots realize that this has nothing to do with anything that i have done or not done to the car. i know how to torque wheels you twits. stop being so damn offended that these cars have major flaws, and stfu. it's a fact, not a myth or an issue of people not putting the wheels on right. give me a break. 99% of cars on the road you could throw the wheels on with bubble gum and they wheel wouldn't shimmy at certian speeds!!!! the fact that it happens at cetain spped only, proves it has nothing to do with anything but some strange inherent harmonics type issue. the car has exponential design flaws. get over it.

That sucks. Thank goodness I haven't had to resort to :blahblah::cry::whine: regarding my car. Just look for a Z06 if your car sucks that much dick. Move on.

[MTGOAT]

From what ive seen i agree with multistrada74.
I hammered the car today on a ramp to the highway and hit 80+ mph real quick. I was thinking to my self, wow no shimmy! then when got to normal speed, 60-65 that damn shimmy was right there! the funny thing is i dont ever remember it being this bad in the past three years i owned the car? I pray that the new hub rings help. then i pray that i dont have to sell my wheels because i LOVE them...

[05gtslow]

Obviously if you make a post on a forum for car "X" and refer to car "X" as a shitbox, people are going to say FU.

That said, I agree that the suspension on these cars sucks balls. Despite my significant suspension upgrades, I still feel that the GTO suspension sucks. I am happier now that I mostly fixed it, but I can see where the OP is coming from.

[doublered06]

The hub rings i got for my TSWs were too big for the hub but fit the wheel fine. somehow i didnt get a shake thank god. the lugs were wierd too. The AZAs i sent back to wheelmax had nice lug nuts with a special thin socket.

[jamesbiz]

didn't I mention I'm having a sale on hug rings?





:)

[MTGOAT]

After seeing it for myself I am now a believer in billet hub rings! I installed just my two fronts and my shimmy is gone! I am feeling a vibration, maybe the new Track II maybe my rear wheels, but as far as my steering wheel goes it is rock steady. My plastic hub rings were both cracked so I could see that causing an issue when putting the wheel back on and not getting centered correctly over the studs before putting the lugs on.

OP, Sorry that the hub rings didn’t work for you. Let us know if ever find another solution other than a ZO6!

[neverend3r]

no smurfing difference is wheel shimmy at highway speeds. i'm annoyed as smurf! i hate these shit box cars. time for a z06.

you sound like a 10 year old having trouble with his glue up plastic model car