View Full Version : Well worth the "weight"at 9.9lbs
gtodoug
07-28-2005, 11:51 PM
My rear bogarts just arrived. Big thanks goes out to dave at raceware. I'm still waiting on tires and the front wheels which should be here next week. I went with a different design from the other bogart users here on the forum.
Enjoy the pics.
http://pic12.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781229/490091 9/106251971.jpg
http://pic12.picturetrail.com/VOL431/781229/490091 9/106251963.jpg
sappy96
07-29-2005, 12:03 AM
what size are they?
gtodoug
07-29-2005, 12:17 AM
15x8.75"
CSiJason
07-29-2005, 12:56 AM
Those will look good on the goat. A local guy to me has a set on his car. He does have very bad rubbing problems with the tires however... It is possible Bogart has adjusted the offset some to make up for this but i'm not sure.
HTRDLNCN
07-29-2005, 03:33 AM
What do those run for?
gtodoug
07-29-2005, 06:12 AM
I forget what I paid, but I paid more for them than those who ordered before me. $1400 otd w/shipping is ringing a bell though. Of course that's without tires.
Dougie
Doc GTO
07-29-2005, 06:53 AM
Nice Dougie!!! Will we see you at GA-FL II?
TrakDay
07-29-2005, 07:28 AM
Bring those things to our FL vs GA meet. Very nice!
Perdieu
07-29-2005, 08:30 AM
15x8.75"
Good idea!!
Nice looking set.. I love my R/Ts well worth the pain to make them fit with out rubbing....
Perdieu
07-29-2005, 08:31 AM
Those will look good on the goat. A local guy to me has a set on his car. He does have very bad rubbing problems with the tires however... It is possible Bogart has adjusted the offset some to make up for this but i'm not sure.
DID have its now all ok...
gtodoug
07-29-2005, 12:01 PM
Probably not going to FL vs. GA. Got something else going on
AnoxieGTO
07-29-2005, 12:08 PM
those wheels look awsome dougmaster!
Dan00Hawk
07-29-2005, 12:33 PM
Keep in mind that you might need to grind your rear calipers in order to clear... I know some of the F-bodies have trouble clearing the calipers with certain 15" wheels. Otherwise, they look great, and should be good for a drag wheel! :cool:
GMH GTO
08-06-2005, 12:20 AM
IIRC australian cop car wheels are 15" the GTO has FE2 suspension (cop car suspension in australia) so i'd assume the brakes would be similar if not the same. So 15" should be fine, their are already a few ppl running bogarts on their GTOs.
The only thing to modify on the rear brakes only is,you have to bend the steel portion of the brake line.Where the steel portion of the brake line enters the caliper the line is bent out away from the caliper causing interfierence.You just need to tap it with a hammer easy to snug it against the caliper and then the rubber segment will clear the wheel.Thats the only brake clearance issue I had with my R/T bolteds.
Anthony
JS1965
08-06-2005, 07:44 AM
They require a BFH mod too...
Sorry but I aint hacking up my GTO,I already did that twice with 2 F-Cars...
They require a BFH mod too...
Sorry but I aint hacking up my GTO,I already did that twice with 2 F-Cars...
I DID say the only "brake mod"!! You don't need a BFH if you chose a smaller tire.The wheels are not the issue there.
Anthony
Perdieu
08-06-2005, 08:05 AM
You don't need a BFH if you chose a smaller tire.The wheels are not the issue there.
Anthony
You are correct sir! :D The wheels are killer and worth every penny
JS1965
08-06-2005, 08:36 AM
When they make them right I'll buyem ;)
When they make them right I'll buyem ;)
Explain? What do you mean by "right"?
Mine fit perfect except for the fact I went with a tire known for clearance issues.NO wheel issues or backspace problems here.
Perdieu
08-06-2005, 09:29 AM
When they make them right I'll buyem ;)
What do you mean "right" they are RIGHT. Look at some of the other's running 275 with other style rim's most of them are having to roll their fenders also..
Yes I trimed my fenders, yes I used a BFH on my inner fenders. If that's hacking it up so be it.. Ask CSIJason how my wheel wells look, if you didn't know better you would think they're stock...
HTRDLNCN
08-06-2005, 09:33 AM
I run 15" bmw rims and they worked fine with no mods at all to anything, wieght of rims and 23"x7.5x15" slick is less than stock rim alone.
Just weighed it ,weight of one 15"BMW rim and slick is 28lbs. About half of stock tire/rim but obviously still more than a Bogart!
Best of all pair fits in trunk along with jack no problem. Total cost of used rims and new slicks was under $300 .. Did I mention I am a cheap bastard? :D
http://ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachment id=17736&stc=1
JS1965
08-06-2005, 09:33 AM
To each is own but I went threw this BS with both of my 10 Sec F-Cars...
I want a wheel that fits on w/o problems...
Dont get me wrong there a beautiful wheel :)
Perdieu
08-06-2005, 09:45 AM
To each is own but I went threw this BS with both of my 10 Sec F-Cars...
I want a wheel that fits on w/o problems...
Dont get me wrong there a beautiful wheel :)
Stay tuned then, I'm working on something else for DRAG racing crowd. ;)
**Edit** not because I dislike the Bogart BUT I want to be different.
Stay tuned then, I'm working on something else for DRAG racing crowd. ;)
**Edit** not because I dislike the Bogart BUT I want to be different.
Oh crap!
I better pay careful attention...
Oh and mine fit perfectly... :hail:
Ed
JS1965
08-07-2005, 01:38 PM
Yea Ed they fit,After u hit the hammered the inner wells and rolled the lip ;) I love the Bogarts but I'd like to see a wheel made to fit w/o modifications and I dont think thats too much to ask?
Yea Ed they fit,After u hit the hammered the inner wells and rolled the lip ;) I love the Bogarts but I'd like to see a wheel made to fit w/o modifications and I dont think thats too much to ask?
What don't you understand? It is the tire size NOT the wheel. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Perdieu
08-07-2005, 03:33 PM
What don't you understand? It is the tire size NOT the wheel. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Maybe he thinks if they make a smaller rim the TIRE will fit ;)
What don't you understand? It is the tire size NOT the wheel. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
It's a lost cause... :slap:
The bigger the tire, the better for me... I still leave 200+ feet of marks on the street, even with the 275-50 MT Drag Radials on... Imagine what I'd do with some dorky 24" wheels and 35 series "rice-boy" tires!
BTW... The King rear springs do help with the launch!
Thanks "Bob the Photo Guy"... :D
Ed
JS1965
08-08-2005, 06:29 AM
Maybe I've read it wrong
U guys need to grind the calipers
U guys need to mod the inner well
U guys need to mod the outter well
This is if u run a 275 now what if u run a 245,is this still required?
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 07:12 AM
Maybe I've read it wrong
U guys need to grind the calipers
U guys need to mod the inner well
U guys need to mod the outter well
This is if u run a 275 now what if u run a 245,is this still required?
Well I didn't try a dinky tire like the 245 but 26x10 ET Streets and ET drags both fit with out doing any mod's. The deal with the 275 is the bludge on the side walls hit's the inner fender and the wheel well lip's. MOST 275 on ANY rim will require the fender lip's rolled. As for grinding the calipers you DON'T have too do that. The main line needs to be bent a tad (I didn't have to do this).
Look at the pic below. This is with a 3000 launch (I now launch at 5500) you can see how the tire bludges past the wheel lip. THIS is where the problem is. You can also see how it cambers in to the inner fender (the reason for the BFH).
http://www.purposebuilt.org/images/squat.jpg
Look at the two tire's below, I put the importaint information in bold. May be this will help you understand it's NOT the wheel's. It's us owners wanting the biggest tire we can get.
YOU COULD RUN THESE WITH NO PROBLEMS.
672-3752R
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radial Tire
235/60R15
R2 Compound
Tire Compound: R2
Tire Overall Diameter: 26.1''
Average Roll Out/
Circumference: 82''
Tire Tread Width: 8.0''
Tire Section Width: 9.5''
Wheel Diameter: 15''
Spec Wheel Width: 8''
Tire Weight: 26.0 lbs
Size Equivalent: 26'' x 9.50'' - 15''
THIS IS WHAT MOST OF US ARE RUNNING. (I have BFG they're the same size)
672-3753R
Mickey Thompson ET Street Radial Tire
275/50R15
R2 Compound
Tire Compound: R2
Tire Overall Diameter: 26.1''
Average Roll Out/
Circumference: 82''
Tire Tread Width: 10.0''
Tire Section Width: 11.3''
Wheel Diameter: 15''
Spec Wheel Width: 10''
Tire Weight: 30.0 lbs
Size Equivalent: 26'' x 11.50'' - 15''
Hope this help a little better. :thumbs:
HTRDLNCN
08-08-2005, 08:05 AM
The guys that are looking to get real drag rims should be looking to get real drag tires..
End of story.
26x8x15" slicks will fit with more clearence than the stock tires do and will provide twice the traction of any drag radial.
If you dont want to run slicks then youll never get the most out of your setup.
If you wanna run with the big dogs you gotta get off the porch..
And like I posted before atleast in my case with 15" wheels I didnt have to mod anything as far as calipers or brake lines and they hit nowhere.
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 08:25 AM
The guys that are looking to get real drag rims should be looking to get real drag tires..
End of story.
26x8x15" slicks will fit with more clearence than the stock tires do and will provide twice the traction of any drag radial.
If you dont want to run slicks then youll never get the most out of your setup.
If you wanna run with the big dogs you gotta get off the porch..
And like I posted before atleast in my case with 15" wheels I didnt have to mod anything as far as calipers or brake lines and they hit nowhere.
You MIGHT be right BUT with the DR's I can go any where and not get in trouble :-patriot: with the law. The series I race in you have to have DOT tire's. (I'm lazy and don't ever change wheels. Plus it help's out on saturdays nights :angel: )
as for the MIGHT part. Our Mustang pull's 1.41's with ET drags and 1.45's with MT Dr's, so if it set up right you can be damn close to the same. Either way it will run 10.60's
My best 60' is a 1.87 whats yours with slicks. :burnout: :D
JS1965
08-08-2005, 08:45 AM
I stand corrected :) Looks like this is a nice option for a guy wanting to run a 26X9.5X15 slick or with alittle modding a 275 DR's...Oh and as far as the dinky little 245 DR,I've seen Mustangs cut 1.4 60fts on them ;)
I might get a set of these Bogarts now and just run a MT 235/60/15 DR w/o any modding of the inner/outter wells...Maybe even a MT Drag in a 26X9.5X15 would clear too..
Sorry if I came off like a jackass :)
JS1965
08-08-2005, 10:17 AM
Perdieu,Couple of questions
I'm going with the 15X9 and 15X4 P1 Series RT
Now as long as I move the brake line over a smidge and run a 26X10 or 235/60 I'll be fine,No issues at all brother?
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 11:09 AM
Perdieu,Couple of questions
I'm going with the 15X9 and 15X4 P1 Series RT
Now as long as I move the brake line over a smidge and run a 26X10 or 235/60 I'll be fine,No issues at all brother?
When i first got mine I put a used set of ET street 26 x 10 and did have one issues other then not having the balls to use them.
100% sure the 235's will work with out a problem..
Better yet check back in a few, I'll go take some pic's :D
here are two pic showing the brake line and the inner fender.
You'll see there is room by the inner fender but when the car launches the top's of the tire's (275's) go inwards causing them the rub. After a few nice blows from a BFH all is ok.
Brake Line
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=18128
Inner Fender
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attach mentid=18129
Please remember my set was one of the first ones made, there have been a few changes made since then so they fit even better now.
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 11:30 AM
GTODOUG Sorry about the thread hijack...
JS1965
08-08-2005, 12:38 PM
Kewl.....
I talked to Dave at Raceware (I'm direct with him) and it looks good on the Bogarts.....4 to 6 weeks for delivery....
I'm going to run the MT DR so for me it'll be a non issue with fitment...
I should be able to run 11.90's on 235/60/15 DR's..
Thanx and I await your pics...
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 12:42 PM
Good Deal.. Gald we could help ya out.
BTW the pic's are in the post LOL if you need any other's let me know
HTRDLNCN
08-08-2005, 12:50 PM
as for the MIGHT part. Our Mustang pull's 1.41's with ET drags and 1.45's with MT Dr's, so if it set up right you can be damn close to the same. Either way it will run 10.60's
My best 60' is a 1.87 whats yours with slicks. :burnout: :D
I was trying to point out that you have to modify NOTHING to run 8" wide slicks,,all the tires you are talking about are much wider than 8" and yes Drs hook well but an 8" DR wont ever compare to an 8" slick.
The M/T radials I have seen people cutting 1.4-1.5s on are wide as hell and would not fit a GTO without some fender banging.
Unfortunatly they do not make an 8" wide mt street which would be legal in dot class.
On my black car I cut 1.6s on slicks and 1.9s on Nittos, it was only an 11 sec car though on a factory stock Lincoln suspension.
On the goat my best so far has been 2.0 bone stock car on both street tires and slicks. It just doesnt have enough convertor to do any better.
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 01:07 PM
I Know what you ment.. LOL
BTW...
One "little" item that is overlooked with these wheels is the fact you don't need to install extra long studs to run slicks with these wheels at the track. Just use a McGard open style racing lug and the Tech guys are happy. The stock studs just make the 1-1/2 times diameter through the hub requirement...
BTW... did I mention the new King rear springs cured a lot of the "droop" in the launch??? ;)
Ed
Perdieu
08-08-2005, 01:49 PM
BTW... did I mention the new King rear springs cured a lot of the "droop" in the launch??? ;)
Ed
Yes you did now I'm kicking myself for not getting them. :banghead: :banghead: What was the part number LOL
HTRDLNCN
08-08-2005, 01:54 PM
BTW... did I mention the new King rear springs cured a lot of the "droop" in the launch??? ;)
Ed
I just bought the Pedders rear springs,stock height,high rate,,hopefully they will work as well. Dont need them now but probably will after the convertor makes things "livelier"
PS: I never tech with my slicks on..
Yeah ,I know,Im sneaky..
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