what gives with 18in wheels on 06 gto's [Archive]

tigertamer

10-02-2005, 09:19 AM

hi all
i need some legitimate information. i ordered an 06 gto on august 26,2005 my dealer called me this week because i asked him to give me the order# and tpw so i could track my cars production. this is what he told me. he told me my car was in a hold status and could not give me an order # because one has not been assigned to the car yet and will not be assigned until gm releases allocations for 18 in rims which they do not have yet?????what gives!?? can anyone explain this to me and let me know if this is true.
thanks for any help in this manner.i asked if this means that my car is not on order and i wasted a month for nothing and he told me its on order but the order has been put on hold until gm releases allocation for the rims.is this true?

BanditWS6

10-02-2005, 10:17 AM

Sounds odd. My car will have the 18" wheels as well and it was ordered before yours, but I've had an order number and TPW for a month. Unfortunately I don't have any inside info for you, but I'm curious to hear more on this case. Good luck to you.

tigertamer

10-02-2005, 01:07 PM

bandit
do you have any idea when your car will be delivered? did your dealer having 06 pricing yet? my dealer said it was not in the computor yet and went by 05 pricing.iam calling my dealer on monday and getting my depoist back . i cant deal with lies. i can't stand these dealers there all a bunch of bser!iam going back to the first dealership

sccaGTO

10-02-2005, 01:18 PM

Sounds like a line to me. Considering GM made the 18" wheels an option mid-year of 2005, they should have Holden making enough. What's sad/funny in my opinion, I think we got the 2 choices of wheels that are least popular in Oz. :gr_jest: Even if you could find it in your heart to forgive the dealer, you could get the same 18" wheels from our sponsor JHP. But, I agree with the principle of being able to get the 18" from the time you sign the contract.

Actually, I just remembered. The 18" wheels are listed as part of the SAP package, which is dealer installed. Maybe this dealer just doesn't have the connections or doesn't want to take the time to get a set of 18"s for you.

tigertamer

10-02-2005, 02:06 PM

i think he is waiting to see what is going to show up on his inventory and not ordering the car like i asked.

Wipeout

10-02-2005, 02:09 PM

That may be a possibility....just give you one out of his allocated stock leaving him one less he has on his lot to sell.

tigertamer

10-02-2005, 04:14 PM

can someone with knowledge inside gm or holden state if 06 gto's are being made at this moment with 18in. wheels? i would just like to hear the truth.yes or no
thanks for any replies.

Jontall

10-03-2005, 02:18 AM

I emailed Jim Hopson about the 18's:

John,
The 18" wheel that you referred to has been available for some time, but its availability has been somewhat limited by supplies from the manufacturer. I suggest that you have your dealer closely watch this order as it proceeds through the manufacturing system. If a problem with the wheels does arise, your dealer will be in the best position to spot it early and give you any options that are available.

Thank you for purchasing a 2006 GTO. I hope you enjoy your new "goat" when you receive it.

Regards,

Jim Hopson
Manager, Pontiac Communication

My 06 is on the boat now and has 18's, however, I believe that the A4 trans is on constraint at the moment. Did you order an automatic? The hold status just means that GM has not accepted your order for some unknown reason. Also, your dealer may not have allocation at the moment and could be stalling (it's hard to tell). You can go to another dealer and ask if you would have any problems ordering the same car and see what they say. Hope this helps you.

BanditWS6

10-03-2005, 06:01 AM

bandit
do you have any idea when your car will be delivered? did your dealer having 06 pricing yet? my dealer said it was not in the computor yet and went by 05 pricing.Delivery date is anyone's guess at this stage, but the dealer said probably around Jan/Feb. He claimed to have '06 pricing and we went by that, anyway it was the same as '05 pricing and from what I have read, that is correct (no price changes for '06).

The message from Jim Hopson makes me wonder if the 18s really are the cause of your problems. Talk about suckage. I would hate to have my order delayed because of that. If they're gonna cause a problem I'd rather get some VZs from JHP; those look much nicer! :D I also agree with Jontall that your dealer may not even have the allocation to order your GTO and they're just hoping and assuming that they'll get allocation soon. If you're worried, you might even go so far as to visit another dealer and see if they will order you a car as well, and whichever order gets accepted first, cancel the other one. Just make sure your deposit(s) are refundable.

Meantime, guess I'll keep an eye on my order too...if it doesn't change status after the TPW date I'll call up the dealer and see what they can find out.

GotTagO

10-03-2005, 06:30 AM

I also have an 06 with 18" wheels ordered. The dealer says it is a 3450 which means it is finished and sitting on the dock waiting for a boat ride. The order section here has it listed as being produced with a TPW of 9/23. I would check back with the dealer if I were you. My dealer did not have pricing on order date, but has it now.

tigertamer

10-03-2005, 03:08 PM

thanks for the info everyone. i called the dealer today and he stated that he could ensure me my car is on order and is just on hold by gm. he said he was allocated 1 gto for 06 and had to place the order for my goat. i might call another dealer.i don't know yet??

miscreant

10-03-2005, 04:08 PM

This is not unusual. The 18" wheels may be on constraint, ie. every 5th car ordered can get 18" wheels or something. Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean the dealer is lying. Your dealer may be waiting for the GM system to accept your order as built. Be patient.

tigertamer

10-04-2005, 02:43 PM

thanks that makes me feel a little better.

B/STOCK

10-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Wait and find one on a lot that is the right color and tranny W/18s. I learned this from ordering Corvettes. There is always a problem with getting the order accepted. The dealers play games and at times guarantee you a delivery date they have no intention of keeping. You will get sick while waiting for your car when there's three GTOs equipped like the one you ordered sitting on lots and your locked into waiting for your car which may or may not arrive. This is the voice of experience. Good luck.

tigertamer

10-07-2005, 04:21 PM

thanks b stock i will take that into consideration.
anybody else with any comments ?

silverbugeye

10-09-2005, 07:29 PM

B/STOCK

10-09-2005, 07:56 PM

I can sometimes order only 1 of a popular color on a mass ordered car.

The constraint word comes into play like miscreant said.

Sometimes things like Sunroofs, tires, and wheels can hold off a US made vehicle by a few weeks.

Like say a Silverado.. they are out of 16" chrome cheapy wheels and you can only get 16" alloys for 2 weeks. Your orders are on hold or GM changes them for you

I had my Vette ordered from three dealers from August 98 to until August 30 1999 when I took delevery on my 2000. It was supposed to be a 99 but it took so long it turned into a 2000. Something was always on constraint. When I got the order in the polished wheels were on constraint so I ordered it with the painted wheels and bought the polished wheels when they became available, 6 months after the car was delivered. I will never go through that again. I had three 5k deposits tied up for a year.

tigertamer

10-10-2005, 01:58 PM

all i want to know is that my car is on order and i will get one!!

HRJ

10-10-2005, 02:30 PM

This is not unusual. The 18" wheels may be on constraint,
That is exactly the reason. The 18" wheels have been on constraint for a few weeks already. No idea when the constraint will be lifted.

BanditWS6

10-10-2005, 03:53 PM

FWIW, my order was just scheduled for production (status 3300), and I have the 18" wheels.

tigertamer

10-10-2005, 04:10 PM

That is exactly the reason. The 18" wheels have been on constraint for a few weeks already. No idea when the constraint will be lifted.
this is what i've been told from my dealer and iam going to trust him . he said he will get my car and as soon as the constraint is lifted he will get me my order number from g.m. all i can do is wait like everyone else.
thanks for all the info i feel a little more trusting in my dealership now.

Miss-our-GTO

10-11-2005, 01:35 PM

tigertamer

10-11-2005, 01:46 PM

my dealer said gm will not process the order until wheels are off constraint. anybody know if that is true?

B/STOCK

10-11-2005, 01:47 PM

Back to part of the original question: Shouldn't the dealer be able to give him an order number? There is a constraint to keep the car from being built with the 18" wheels. They should still be able to order it and get an order number, right?

Wrong. There won't be a order # until there are no constraints on the build. At least thats how they do it with Vettes.

tigertamer

10-11-2005, 03:09 PM

so that is why i cnnot get a order number at this time. i quess my dealer is being honest with me. iam glad to hear it. now what is the hold up with 18in. rims and why do some people with cars on order with 18in wheels have there order number already? is it that they only had a few sets of wheels to start with?anyone know the staus of 18in. wheels?

GotTagO

10-11-2005, 04:50 PM

Miss-our-GTO

10-11-2005, 05:01 PM

Wrong. There won't be a order # until there are no constraints on the build. At least thats how they do it with Vettes.

Will keep that in mind if someone asks a question about ordering a vette.

HRJ

10-11-2005, 06:53 PM

Will keep that in mind if someone asks a question about ordering a vette.
LOL.....

Well, I mean, the dealer could place the order, and it would sit until the constraint is lifted. In that case, there would be an order # issued immediately. Or, he could just wait till the constraint is lifted to place the order. I personally have done it both ways......it really didn't matter. Another thing to consider is that he might have a few prelim orders out there and doesn't know which one he'll change to suit the order until the constraint is lifted. Either way, different strokes for different inventory managers.

silverbugeye

10-11-2005, 07:16 PM

Another thing is, there really isnt a bad combo. ITs not like you ordered 10K in options.

So the dealer may tie up a few orders trying to get what you want.

Keep in mind a computer is calling the shots after you make the order, so it doesnt have to make sense

PMD GTO

10-12-2005, 03:46 AM

Well, mine is on the boat right now making it's long journey towards California with 18" rims. At least I think...

Miss-our-GTO

10-12-2005, 06:29 AM

LOL.....

Well, I mean, the dealer could place the order, and it would sit until the constraint is lifted. In that case, there would be an order # issued immediately.

Well that seams to answer the question for GTOs.

Moving on to the next part, is it a full contstraint? Or a partial constraint, where there are accepting a certain percentage of orders with the wheels?

hishep

10-12-2005, 07:31 AM

Mine and another one arer on the docks in OZ right now wiating for a boat ride with 18" shoes on them.
Mine is scheduled for production now with the 18" wheels. I believe it has been on constraint because it is an A4. I had a TPW of 9/12 and the other M6's ordered at the same time are already on the boat.

tigertamer

10-12-2005, 03:38 PM

when did you order you car? i ordered mine august26,2005.

SDMF

10-13-2005, 12:48 AM

sorry for being the noob in this area, but why does everyone seem to want the 18inch wheels? for looks only or is their any performance advantage?

Flashpoint

10-13-2005, 01:31 AM

sorry for being the noob in this area, but why does everyone seem to want the 18inch wheels? for looks only or is their any performance advantage?

Well I'd guess and say possible to be both.

They do look different than the 17" rims, so some want them for that reason.

They also come with different summer only tires then the 17" rims (which means better traction but comprimise the wet and most definitely no snow/ice)

They are only $500 more to order them that way but would cost over $2000 with tires to get them by ordering them later. (so it is a great deal)

If someone did order with 18" rims and didn't want them for whatever reason they could trade them for 17" rims and still get some $$$. I'd bet quite a few people want them (04 and 05 owners) and would pay somewhere inbetween the $500 upgrade and the $2K they would cost new.

If you do order with 18" and want 17" ones for winter (incase you do drive it in the winter) and mount snow tires on it they are pretty cheap used in the for sale section (can also be wanted to mount a set of drag radials)

Dealers try and order the 18" rims as a selling point also on thier dealer stock cars.

There's a number of reasons to order the 18" rims (too bad they are limited availabilty)

Miss-our-GTO

10-13-2005, 03:42 AM

Well that seams to answer the question for GTOs.

Moving on to the next part, is it a full contstraint? Or a partial constraint, where there are accepting a certain percentage of orders with the wheels?

Sent an email with this question to a source and got the reply that the constraint was at 40% for 18" wheels last week. Also told that the constraint amounts change on Thursdays, so I guess a new number may be out today.

New Info:

Got another one this morning. No constraints this week for GTOs and 18" wheels.

spd98

10-13-2005, 05:22 AM

Well I'd guess and say possible to be both.

They do look different than the 17" rims, so some want them for that reason.

They also come with different summer only tires then the 17" rims (which means better traction but comprimise the wet and most definitely no snow/ice)

They are only $500 more to order them that way but would cost over $2000 with tires to get them by ordering them later. (so it is a great deal)

If someone did order with 18" rims and didn't want them for whatever reason they could trade them for 17" rims and still get some $$$. I'd bet quite a few people want them (04 and 05 owners) and would pay somewhere inbetween the $500 upgrade and the $2K they would cost new.

If you do order with 18" and want 17" ones for winter (incase you do drive it in the winter) and mount snow tires on it they are pretty cheap used in the for sale section (can also be wanted to mount a set of drag radials)

Dealers try and order the 18" rims as a selling point also on thier dealer stock cars.

There's a number of reasons to order the 18" rims (too bad they are limited availabilty)

The bridgestones do not comprimise wet traction. Thier probobly better. DO NOT try them in snow they are horrible from personal experience.