Here's the REAL 05 INFO,Get ready to be happy!!!!

[JSWS6]

2005 GTO
LS2 400HP/395TQ
Duel snorkel hood for increased engine cooling
Bigger brakes w/RED GTO engraved calipers
18in Wheel option
Split rear exhaust
Revised gauges with higher redline tach
Dead pedal

2 new colors Midnight Blue and Cyclone grey
WOO HOO,Look out for the LS2 GTO's,there gonna be hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My buddy Jay Fisher Pontiac just got the info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm the guy from LS1Tech,told ya I'd have the info soon ;)

[DevilYellow]

Pretty much.... technically this is a little too early for it to be released but what the heck.

[Tails]

Good Info. The brake size is the big difference in my mind. I wonder how much it will cost to retrofit the 04?
:drink::drink:

[OrangeCrushM6]

Well, all you doubters, there you have it!!!! The GTO is here to stay and that makes
me even more proud I have a kick butt 04 Jacket!

[OrangeCrushM6]

Will we be able to go to the dealer eventually and order a color specific hood
for our 04'?

[Shinzon]

screw the hood , ls2 is whats hot

[OrangeCrushM6]

screw the hood , ls2 is whats hot

Yeah, the LS2 is going to be hot, but I have no complaints on my LS1, it
is an awesome beast that can modded easily if you like. I just like the
fact that the nostrils will help cool the engine bay and thus decrease
temp. for the intake.

[Red Devil]

I was informed this information today at my dealership as well. You beat me to the post.

[nikivee]

2005 GTO
LS2 400HP/395TQ
Duel snorkel hood for increased engine cooling
Bigger brakes w/RED GTO engraved calipers
18in Wheel option
Split rear exhaust
Revised gauges with higher redline tach
Dead pedal

2 new colors Midnight Blue and Cyclone grey
WOO HOO,Look out for the LS2 GTO's,there gonna be hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My buddy Jay Fisher Pontiac just got the info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm the guy from LS1Tech,told ya I'd have the info soon ;)


Not that I'm bragging or anything. :D. My post from January 04 at the PY boards. :)

The 2005 GTO will be powered by the new LS2 6.0 liter 400HP V-8. It will also have twin hood scoops to give it a more distinctive appearance. Also 18" inch wheels will be standard instead of 17's. Different spoiler than the 2004 and possibly a spoiler delete option.

Whether this is the standard engine, or an upgrade in a hiperf version of the GTO I don't know. I was only told the above.



Good. I see I called the 18" wheel option somwhat correctly. Told they would be standard, but now an option which is a good thing. The spoiler still seems to be the same, but I still believe a spoiler delete option may happen. :D You guys should have just taken my word from the beginning and all this speculation would have been over with a long time ago. :D

[GTPprix]

We've known this stuff for how long now? lol After the embargo passes I'll see if I can throw up some pics of the one I'm driving tomorrow.. It'll be nice to drive an actual line car rather than a mule for once.

[Tigger]

Good. I see I called the 18" wheel option correctly also. :D You guys should have just taken my word from the beginning and all this speculation would have been over with a long time ago. :DHey nikivee,
Do you speculate that the larger brakes will be offered as a bolt on for the '04s and if so, how much do you speculate that they will cost?

[desertgoat]

Nikivee is right. As usual.

Now here's the biggest question of all: PRICE

I have a feeling a lot of folks already know the MSRP but are obligated to hold the info back. I am just curious how much the dealers will boost the prices.

[phobos512]

Good. I see I called the 18" wheel option correctly also. :D You guys should have just taken my word from the beginning and all this speculation would have been over with a long time ago. :D

Are you ever going to tell us how it is you "know" these things?

[nikivee]

We've known this stuff for how long now? lol After the embargo passes I'll see if I can throw up some pics of the one I'm driving tomorrow.. It'll be nice to drive an actual line car rather than a mule for once.


Cool. Let us know how it drives. :D

[GTPprix]

If it drives like the powertrain mule, it'll be nice and linear and a significant reduction in wheel hop hehe

Price = under $35,000

[nikivee]

Are you ever going to tell us how it is you "know" these things?


I think I told some before that I have a good friend at the GM Tech Center and a contact Holden. I ask questions, and sometimes they give me answers. :D

Now FWIW: The Chevy car that everyone thinks is coming out in 07 as a Camaro....... Wrong. It won't be named Camaro. It will be based on the Chevy SS Concept though. We'll see if I'm right on this one also.

I made mention of this over at cz28.com several months aga and got called a moron and flammed as someone who is out of touch with the automotive world. :D

[Old Goat]

We've known this stuff for how long now? lol After the embargo passes I'll see if I can throw up some pics of the one I'm driving tomorrow.. It'll be nice to drive an actual line car rather than a mule for once.
Fear the Hamsters! ROTFL, PMP.....That's beautiful Chris! John
:hail:

[goatwrx]

when does the embargo pass?

[Old Goat]

We know better Nikivee.... :D

[Old Goat]

when does the embargo pass?If I remember the original 'Ooops!' post at GM Media, August 1st was the embargo date.

[Red Devil]

Embargo is August 1st.

[nikivee]

Hey nikivee,
Do you speculate that the larger brakes will be offered as a bolt on for the '04s and if so, how much do you speculate that they will cost?


I suspect that some 05 items, such as hood, larger brakes will be made available 2nd qtr of 2005. Don't know about pricing, but probably should be fairly reasonable.

I'd like to see GM send out a letter to all 04 GTO owners telling them they can retrofit the LS2 at no charge to them for being such loyal customers. :D

[GTPprix]

I'd like to see GM send out a letter to all 04 GTO owners telling them they can retrofit the LS2 at no charge to them for being such loyal customers. :D

Hheheh Nikivee for president woot!! :thumbs:

[Tails]

I'd like to see GM send out a letter to all 04 GTO owners telling them they can retrofit the LS2 at no charge to them for being such loyal customers. :D
I would swear to only buy GM for the rest of my life!!!!!
:drink::drink:

[Holeshot]

I suspect that some 05 items, such as hood, larger brakes will be made available 2nd qtr of 2005. Don't know about pricing, but probably should be fairly reasonable.

I'd like to see GM send out a letter to all 04 GTO owners telling them they can retrofit the LS2 at no charge to them for being such loyal customers. :D
BAHHHH HAAAAA HA HA

[Old Goat]

I think if they didn't include the brakes as well there wouldn't be too many 04 owners in a few weeks! :sneaky:

[BowdawG]

I suspect that some 05 items, such as hood, larger brakes will be made available 2nd qtr of 2005. Don't know about pricing, but probably should be fairly reasonable.

I'd like to see GM send out a letter to all 04 GTO owners telling them they can retrofit the LS2 at no charge to them for being such loyal customers.

wouldn't that be nice... or at least discounts on the upgrades

[mlc]

I thought I was prepared for this moment but I was wrong!! Can't help it.. I need the LS2. Call me childish if you want but I can't help it. :cry:

[Old Goat]

Come on folks, really! Stock to stock the LS2 rules....BUT, anyone really think they can't 'DO' the LS1 to maintain equity with the LS2 cheaper at the parts counter than trading up? I think GMPP CNC ported LS6 heads, LS6 or MTI cam, a decent air intake, 3/4 JBA's and stock or better street legal duals, and a professional tune oughta keep peace in the family myself..... JMHO

[mlc]

Come on folks, really! Stock to stock the LS2 rules....BUT, anyone really think they can't 'DO' the LS1 to maintain equity with the LS2 cheaper at the parts counter than trading up? I think GMPP CNC ported LS6 heads, LS6 or MTI cam, a decent air intake, 3/4 JBA's and stock or better street legal duals, and a professional tune oughta keep peace in the family myself..... JMHO
Do you really think all that with installation is cheaper? Oh, don't forget the brakes too!

[GTOdriver7]

Do you really think all that with installation is cheaper? Oh, don't forget the brakes too!

exactly MLC. sure us 04s can spend about 5k upgrading the LS1 to run with the LS2 and compete with the 05 GTO. but the 05 boys get that power (and other stuff) STOCK and WITH WARRANTY.

[phobos512]

Do you really think all that with installation is cheaper? Oh, don't forget the brakes too!

Think about how much you would be in the whole to trade up. Then think, you could probably buy everything needed to upgrade for under $10k. Then you still have to install it, yes, but if you're a grease monkey you can do it yourself. I am not however and I don't plan on sacrificing my GTO to learn. :)

[rocoop]

If it drives like the powertrain mule, it'll be nice and linear and a significant reduction in wheel hop hehe

Price = under $35,000


God I hope so, cause that's about my limit.

<---- looks up to the sky and prays to God... :)

[Tails]

Maybe I'll see an 05 on the road before I see an 04 on the road. Technically I saw mine on the road when I asked my wife to drive it in front of the house so I could really hear how it sounds but that doesn't count. BTW if any of you have never heard your car from the outside you are definitely missing the full effect.
:drink::drink:

[desertgoat]

God I hope so, cause that's about my limit.

<---- looks up to the sky and prays to God... :)

35K is your limit? I somehow have this nagging feeling dealers won't sell these 05 goats at MSRP. Maybe it's just me. These dealers wouldn't let go of the 04's at MSRP and were adding 5-10K over sticker.

Maybe they finally saw the light and turned over a new leaf. Hey guess what? Pontiac dealers are offering 05 GTO's at 3 thousand dollars off sticker price!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :zzz:

[bluezaire]

I thought I was prepared for this moment but I was wrong!! Can't help it.. I need the LS2. Call me childish if you want but I can't help it. :cry:
Well, when your ready to give it up, rip off that tint and give me a holler. That first year 385hp ZO6 became a stepchild after the 405hp hit the streets the very next year. There is no reason to think that wont happen to our beloved GTO, which was already a stepchild of sorts. I for one still long for any GTO I can get my hands on, be it 04 or 05. So when those people who have to have the "latest greatest" take a loss on their cars. Like Wacko Jacko once said, "I'll be there".

[TriShield]

Well, the only question left is what the MSRP will be, and what Monaro wheels they chose to be optional. I'm very disappointed they did not add Tiger Mica (metallic orange) to the colors, but Vespers and Turbine look nice none the less.

And don't worry 04 owners, you can mod your cars to be better than stock 05s quite easily.

I still may buy an 04 depending on how cheap I can get one. The cheaper I get the car, the more money I have for HSV goodies.

[desertgoat]

What really amuses me are all the posters who come in here all excited about the 05 saying they're gonna get this, they're gonna get that. They all seem to think that they are just gonna waltz into the dealer showrooms and walk away with an 05 GTO without taking a serious hit in their wallets. We must be surrounded by plenty of online rich dudes with significant disposable incomes.

Somehow all this excitement will all die when these folks finally sit down at the dealer/managers office and they figure out how much their monthly payment is going to be on a hyperinflated sky is the limit final out the door price on the LS2 GTO. I have a feeling a lt of folks are going to be seriously disappointed as if cold water was splashed on their faces, and realize these cars are going to cost a LOT of money.

[Tigger]

FWIW, here's my take on this:

LS2 400HP/395TQ
I'm pretty happy with the LS1. If I want more power, I can mod it for less than a trade-in.
Duel snorkel hood for increased engine cooling
I prefer the sleek hood of the '04. If I were buying the '05, the scoops would be a big negative for me.
Bigger brakes w/RED GTO engraved calipers
This is very interesting and I'll be checking this out as a bolt on for my '04. I feel the brakes are a weak link.
18in Wheel option
I could go either way on this one.
Split rear exhaust
Again, I could go either way on this one. The new exhausts look pretty cool, but I like the stealth of the single exit, true duals on the '04.
Revised gauges with higher redline tach
Dead pedal
I still need to install the dead pedal kit I bought from mlc. I'd like to see how the '05 attaches and if it will be stronger than the arrangement that Frank came up with.

2 new colors Midnight Blue and Cyclone grey
I love my IBM with blue interior, but these two colors sound very interesting. I want to know what the interior color choices are for these. I think the multi-color GTO interiors are beautiful.

[rocoop]

35K is your limit? I somehow have this nagging feeling dealers won't sell these 05 goats at MSRP. Maybe it's just me. These dealers wouldn't let go of the 04's at MSRP and were adding 5-10K over sticker.

Maybe they finally saw the light and turned over a new leaf. Hey guess what? Pontiac dealers are offering 05 GTO's at 3 thousand dollars off sticker price!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :zzz:

Those are YOUR dealers in YOUR area. When I went into a dealership in my area (Nebraska) and told them that they are being marked up $5K in some places they looked at me like I was nuts. They were ASKING MSRP and were willing to deal from there. Sorry about your luck...

And besides, I'm still saving for a huge down. By the time I buy (next spring) even the dealers in your area will probably be selling for MSRP. I know mine will.

There's another guy in here from Omaha who could confirm this. The 04's were MSRP from day one and there seem to be a lot of them around this area for some reason.

[Old Goat]

Do you really think all that with installation is cheaper? Oh, don't forget the brakes too!Yup! I can do everything but the tune myself, unless you want to count a generic for the LS6 off the Predator as a tune. Still assimilating the digital tuning stuff, and willing to learn. The only thing I find scary is asking the trade-in on a used 04.... :cool:

[gto05]

I am hoping cyclone grey is offered with the red interior. This will be my first choice. I have been saving for a while and it is about to pay off. By spring there will be a GTO in my garage. I can not wait to get my hands on one.

[gto05]

Oh, and a spoiler delete option would be a cherry on top.

[ylwjaket]

yaba, daba, doo! Just got a call from the dealer where I got my '04 in February and he said they can enter orders. Put my name on an '05; you guessed it, Yellow with M6. What would be the advantage of the 18" wheels over the 17"?

[gto05]

Bigger wheels sometimes look better. They may aid in better grip around corners. Negatives are a little rougher ride and sometimes harder to launch. I am no expert so there are probably more.

[Tails]

Oh, and a spoiler delete option would be a cherry on top.
Wouldn't that make it a cop car??
:drink::drink:

[gto_in_nc]

Wouldn't that make it a cop car??
:drink::drink:

Or a sundae...

[sxty8goats]

My Take on this thing (yea, I stole it from Tiggerfan)

LS2 400HP/395TQ
Modding the car now. 400 hp isn't that far away. At the wheels if the money holds out.

Duel snorkel hood for increased engine cooling
I'm looking forward to adding this to my car. But one thing bothers me. "increased engine cooling" Tells me that it isn't plumbed into the intake, just a heat vent. If that is the case, PFYC Hood looks better to me.

Bigger brakes w/RED GTO engraved calipers
Ditto to Tigger here. I will likely buy a set.

18in Wheel option
I kind of like the 17's There is enough weight on the car already.

Split rear exhaust
Here I differ from Tigger. I have SW LT's on the way and will likely have the SLP side exit duel catback in a month or two. 05's exhaust is a moot point.

Revised gauges with higher redline tach.
Different engine will have a differnent red line. They had to get 400 HP somewhere.

Dead pedal
I have an MLD Pedal on order.

2 new colors Midnight Blue and Cyclone grey
I'm not a big fan of the IBM or the Barbados. I like the pics I have seen of the Midnight blue. Grey is grey. I will miss the Cosmos.

And that is all I have to say about that.

[JSWS6]

I'll be buying mine from my buddy Jay Fisher via GMS ;)
He told me as long as I order it he'll do GMS...

I just have to wait a few months and then order it from him...
If I get one it'll be LOADED,every option :D

JS

[phobos512]

I'll be buying mine from my buddy Jay Fisher via GMS ;)
He told me as long as I order it he'll do GMS...

I just have to wait a few months and then order it from him...
If I get one it'll be LOADED,every option :D

JS

That shouldn't be a problem because the likelihood is that there won't be any options.

[GMH GTO]

yaba, daba, doo! Just got a call from the dealer where I got my '04 in February and he said they can enter orders. Put my name on an '05; you guessed it, Yellow with M6. What would be the advantage of the 18" wheels over the 17"?

Can't say theirs too many advantages other then asthetics, will cause a lower gear ratio, bigger wheels couple extra lbs. When I had the Commodore SS in aus I always liked to put on some 15" steel cop car wheels and burn the hell outta the tires :gr_jest:

top speed will be a little higher with bigger wheels.

I'm not going to be pesimistic at all towards the '05 GTOs or owners, I just like the car as is.

[sxty8goats]

Can't say theirs too many advantages other then asthetics, will cause a lower gear ratio, bigger wheels couple extra lbs. When I had the Commodore SS in aus I always liked to put on some 15" steel cop car wheels and burn the hell outta the tires :gr_jest:

top speed will be a little higher with bigger wheels.

I'm not going to be pesimistic at all towards the '05 GTOs or owners, I just like the car as is.

Won't the 18's just use different rubber to keep the same OD as the 17's? That would keep top speed and Gear ratio the same. Their main purpose is aesthetics and increasing the unsprung weight.

[mlc]

Yup! I can do everything but the tune myself, unless you want to count a generic for the LS6 off the Predator as a tune. Still assimilating the digital tuning stuff, and willing to learn. The only thing I find scary is asking the trade-in on a used 04.... :cool:

Yup, trade-in value will be a show stopper. The fact is it isn't likely I'll be trading for an 05. I'm just a little angry (hasn't shown too much has it?) that GM new it was doing a ls2 for the 05 when I was buying my 04. Just doesn't seem right they should push the 04 out like that because the ls2 wasn't quite ready for production. I'll get over it.

So, you want to do the mods on mine and save me a bundle? :cool:

[Old Goat]

Wouldn't that make it a cop car??
:drink::drink:
Nah, that'd be a blueberry... :D

[GMH GTO]

Won't the 18's just use different rubber to keep the same OD as the 17's? That would keep top speed and Gear ratio the same. Their main purpose is aesthetics and increasing the unsprung weight.

If they keep the same aspect ratio it will be a larger tire, I couldn't see them going below 45 aspect ratio, even at 40 it would still be larger.

[SSunset SS]

Ready for my $.02???
I'm going to be ordering a 2005 ASAP. The dealer called today and said that they would know allocations in a few weeks. Ordering could start shortly after that.

Now the 2004 GTO's are being sold for $29,800 in a lot of areas. Their sales were below what GM predicted so I cannot imagine they will sell these for over MSRP. That is a good deal and saves a lot of "mod" money, but I think with the intro of the LS2 in a non-vette car the same year it debuts in the vette is a milestone for GM - I gotta have one.

The bumped redline is a mystery to me as the car makes it's 400HP at 5200RPM and it's 395FT/LBS at 4000RPM??? Imagine the dyno sheet if it flatlines at 5200 and stays there all the way to 6500!!!

The hood is just for looks... only difference I need to know is if it glass or not - any weight savings on these cars would be huge! All in all - I don't care aout anything other than the LS2. Love my LS1 to death, but it is time to step up!

[briandors]

Can't say theirs too many advantages other then asthetics, will cause a lower gear ratio, bigger wheels couple extra lbs. When I had the Commodore SS in aus I always liked to put on some 15" steel cop car wheels and burn the hell outta the tires :gr_jest:

top speed will be a little higher with bigger wheels.

I'm not going to be pesimistic at all towards the '05 GTOs or owners, I just like the car as is.

A 245/40-18 is only 0.1" bigger in circumference which boils down to pretty much nothing in diameter.

Top speed won't be higher, if anything it will be lower due to higher unsprung weight. I am of course assuming that the 18"s are not made in some ultra-light manner.

Handling limit (g's) should be higher. Steering "reaction" time will be lower, steering inputs will feel quicker.

Brian

[Shinkaze]

What really amuses me are all the posters who come in here all excited about the 05 saying they're gonna get this, they're gonna get that. They all seem to think that they are just gonna waltz into the dealer showrooms and walk away with an 05 GTO without taking a serious hit in their wallets. We must be surrounded by plenty of online rich dudes with significant disposable incomes.

Somehow all this excitement will all die when these folks finally sit down at the dealer/managers office and they figure out how much their monthly payment is going to be on a hyperinflated sky is the limit final out the door price on the LS2 GTO. I have a feeling a lt of folks are going to be seriously disappointed as if cold water was splashed on their faces, and realize these cars are going to cost a LOT of money.Newsflash, a $35K car is not that expensive.