Who is gonna trade there 04 for 05

[zbaron]

hi all been here along time just as reader

i have to say im trading my 04 in or selling it.
:eek2:

who else will be ?

[Shocker]

no way i love my 04!!

[GTOdriver7]

if i weren't gonna take such a kick in the nuts on the resale value i would consider it. but i wont. just have mod the 04

[gangster1]

Trade for an '05, NO way. Would not be a very wise financial move #1, #2 50 more H.P. is very easily attainable. Besides the brakes and more H.P., I personally can't see any reason to want to trade. I've said in other threads I don't like the style hood on the '05. But that's just my opinion. The '05 is a sweet ride indeed, but not worth trading in my '04.

[zbaron]

im gona order red on red i hope its as good as i think it will be
:hail:

[gangster1]

I'm sure you will not be disappointed.

[nikivee]

I will keep mine. If anything I will buy a 2007 GTO. What will you 05 owners do when you see the 06 GTO? Or the 07 GTO with the optional LS7. ;)

[desertgoat]

Find me a Pontiac dealer that will sell me an 05 GTO for $30,000.00 (same price as I paid for my 04) and I will gladly trade my 04 in and take the depreciation hit when I sell my 04 privately.

You will have a better chance of finding Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan than finding the said dealer above.

Enough said.

[phobos512]

Find me a Pontiac dealer that will sell me an 05 GTO for $30,000.00 (same price as I paid for my 04) and I will gladly trade my 04 in and take the depreciation hit when I sell my 04 privately.

You will have a better chance of finding Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan than finding the said dealer above.

Enough said.

Didn't you hear? He committed suicide! There was this video I downaa;/mva'322-601836-3.6t...1=091fk128q%q@#)(!onvslkgEGirus but I don't think so.

:gr_jest:

[ZillaGTO]

'07 is my next upgrade time as well. Unless it looks stupid of course!

[Razinhell]

I will keep mine. If anything I will buy a 2007 GTO. What will you 05 owners do when you see the 06 GTO? Or the 07 GTO with the optional LS7. ;)
I'll do the same as i told the 04 owners. Just be happy with what you got. I swear people act like they are trading in their 2001 Mustang GT for a 2005 Pontiac GTO. I want Manual Trans, More Horsepower, comfortable and more modern looking ride. My Mustang isn't comfortable, isn't very powerful anymore considering V6 Accords are almost as fast, isn't a manual, and the interior is mediocre. Hey guess what if i decide to buy the 05 (if the price isn't 40k) i'll be getting a much better car overall and it will have everything i want. I can't imagine people being unhappy with the 04. They are acting like the car is an 01 Mustang. Gee 50hp if thats all you want then for the price of the trade in heads and cam swap look pretty cheap.

[OrangeCrushM6]

To trade an 04 for an 05 is just ridiculous, I mean it's not a generation change or
anything. I think people need to control the "I got to have it mentality" or you will
always be chasing something you'll never catch. I'm looking at an 07 GTO or
Chevy SS. The wait is no sweat when I'm driving my 04 Yellow Jacket.

[zbaron]

jeez looks like im the only one ,i love my car but the 05 is more of what i wanted .i dont wanna spend the time and money and down time modding my car and vioding the warente on the car .the 04 is a sweet car,i do love driven it.but i think for me the 05 is more of what i wanted ,so i guess im gonna be shafted a bunch of money doh.from what the dealership told me the trade ins are gonna be worth anywhere from 19k to 23 k trade in depending on milage.
a buddy mine traded his gto for a new 400 hp V caddy with the ls6 and they gave him 19,500 trade in value.

i also herd the 04 is gonna be worth dirt when the 05 comes out cause no one will be buying the 04 and theres so many on the lots that arnt doing anything .the dealership i go to said they got about 9 people wanting to order the 05 and theres 4 04s on the lot that no one wants ,that worries me to.
i guess time will tell what will happen :secret:

[gto05]

No offence but 19,500 is a pityful trade in value. He could of got 5-8 thousand more sellin it on his own.

[Holeshot]

Me and Christine have something special
I could never let her go

http://www.retrocrush.com/100monsters/christine.jp g

NO S#!TTER EVER CAME BETWEEN ME AND CHRISTINE!!
Arnie Cunningham is my Hero

[zbaron]

was really stupid to trade a gto for a v caddy when they got 4 gto 's on the lot that havent sold you know they will turn around mark it up to like 28k .
but he just wanted out of the gto .oh well each and to his own.

[Shinzon]

50 hp difference is no big deal, Intake = 5rwhp, Long Tubes 25 rwhp, catback 5rwhp, K-n-filter 2-3 rwhp that adds up to @38rwhp on top of your stock dyno at 303rwhp = 341 rwhp which calculated through 15 % drive loss is 400 engine HP....all for under 2k installed.........enjoy !!!

[Shinzon]

So to answer the question, No way am I trading in, IMO the hood ruins it.

[nikivee]

Me and Christine have something special
I could never let her go

http://www.retrocrush.com/100monsters/christine.jp g

NO S#!TTER EVER CAME BETWEEN ME AND CHRISTINE!!
Arnie Cunningham is my Hero

Yeah!!!! That is my favorite car movie!!

Buddy Repperton did have a nice Camaro until Christine took care of him and his car. :D

[desertgoat]

This is what I have been saying all along. A lot of folks bought their GTO's at 3K, 5K, some even 10K over MSRP. Several months and a couple of thousand miles later, the same GTOs which are still practically brand new are only worth about 24-25K if sold back to the same price gouging dealers. So let's say you bought your GTO at 35K and sold it back for 25K, then you are already behind $10,000.00!!!! Do the math for the folks who paid $38K or $40K for their goats.

But wait, it does not end end there. Then you are going to buy an 05 GTO right? Let's say for arguments sake that the MSRP is 35K. And by some miraculous event, you found a dealer who had a brain fart that day or was just feeling mighty generous and actually sold it to you without any mark ups.

So you lost 10K on the trade, and then you pay 35K for the new one. Wow, this is really adding up. Do you really think the 05 is worth 10K more than the 04 you had before?

I have a feeling it will be a long long time before we even hear of the first 05 owner who will actually get to buy this thing at MSRP. When you do the math, it just does not make any financial sense, at least to me, to trade up this early. Start saving all your pennies now.

[Shinzon]

yeh the guy who got the ls6 on the caddy got a rwhp at 330 from what I have reading, hope he enjoys it.

[Shinzon]

To the first guy who really wants to trade up.....how about you give me 8k , I;ll give you 400 hp at the engine ( mods from above) and I'll kick you real hard in the Balls. ( to simulate the dealer ). You will be making out in the end by 2k in your pocket. What do you say ?

[gto05]

I will only pay under msrp. I will find a dealer. There are many in the DFW(Dallas fort worth) area.

[Shinzon]

hehehe, you go 05. Let us know when you do. Maybe a long time wait though.

[zbaron]

ya but the caddy has crap loads of features nav xm sun roof tons stuff our cars dont have for about 45k and an LS6 .i can some what understand the trade the V caddy is loaded with fetures and has the 400hp LS6 not to bad .

i cant get over not haven oil and batt guages ether why hell would the gto not have these.that i dont understand :eek2:

[zbaron]

LOL shinzon thats good one :gr_jest:

[Shinzon]

the cts-v is definitly a way cool car, maybe your bud was looking for more lux and 4 doors.

[steve]

No way

[OrangeCrushM6]

This is what I have been saying all along. A lot of folks bought their GTO's at 3K, 5K, some even 10K over MSRP. Several months and a couple of thousand miles later, the same GTOs which are still practically brand new are only worth about 24-25K if sold back to the same price gouging dealers. So let's say you bought your GTO at 35K and sold it back for 25K, then you are already behind $10,000.00!!!! Do the math for the folks who paid $38K or $40K for their goats.

But wait, it does not end end there. Then you are going to buy an 05 GTO right? Let's say for arguments sake that the MSRP is 35K. And by some miraculous event, you found a dealer who had a brain fart that day or was just feeling mighty generous and actually sold it to you without any mark ups.

So you lost 10K on the trade, and then you pay 35K for the new one. Wow, this is really adding up. Do you really think the 05 is worth 10K more than the 04 you had before?

I have a feeling it will be a long long time before we even hear of the first 05 owner who will actually get to buy this thing at MSRP. When you do the math, it just does not make any financial sense, at least to me, to trade up this early. Start saving all your pennies now.

It's going to be expensive for those with an 04 who just can't wait awhile
to coup some of their money. It's like flushing thousands down the toilet.
Financial blunder to the max. Do what you gotta do to satisfy your needs.
I'm just a very logical thinking person and this makes now sense.

[richknapp]

No way i will just buy a 05 but get ride of 04 no way to many colecteres around here saying it being a triple crown it will be worth more down the road. ( tri crown 40, 30 and first year made in asty.) besides why trade it if you love it? if you like the 05 that much buy one. i am working over time up the but to save for a 05 . why not just have 2 :)

[desertgoat]

To the first guy who really wants to trade up.....how about you give me 8k , I;ll give you 400 hp at the engine ( mods from above) and I'll kick you real hard in the Balls. ( to simulate the dealer ). You will be making out in the end by 2k in your pocket. What do you say ?

Shinzon you just "crack" me up buddy. Are you at least going to flash me a nice big smile while kicking me in the ballz?

My ballz are still blue from all the kicking I got from all the dealers I went to when shopping for my GTO. Fortunately, I did not let my emotions take over my common sense, and waited until I found a dealer who could sell it to me for thousands below MSRP before making the financial commitment.

You know what they say, quit while you are ahead. I just don't know if I can handle your ball kicking session again.

What kind of boots do you wear?

:gr_jest:

[JRM346]

No. The 04 is everything that I expected and more. Financially stupid move to trade, and the 04 is unique in a similar way to the 64. If any 64 owners out there are ready to sell, please let me know.

[B/STOCK]

I will only pay under msrp. I will find a dealer. There are many in the DFW(Dallas fort worth) area..

I agree. There were no GTOs sold in RI over MSRP that I know of. From day one I could have got $500 off list. This over list trend for American cars started with the C5 Corvette from 97-99. The stock market was raging and going no place but up and the C5 was new. The economy has changed and I don't think we will see the 05 GTO for over list except on EBay or at a few greedy dealers. Ford tried marking up the T-Birds and that failed. Some Pontiac dealers tried markups with the 04 GTOs and now the lots are full of them. If GM had given any decent incentives on GTOs when they were introduced there would be one in my garage keeping my C5 company.
The 04 GTO is a great car but with the 05s coming out with the LS2, hood, brakes, exhaust etc. a lot of people will be waiting to buy. I don't think Pontiac will want a load of 05s on their lots so they will deal from the start and not make the mistake they did marketing the 04. Just my .02

[350goodreasons]

No because more mods will come for 06 and apparently new body style for 07 so i don't see the point as i am anyhow really satisfied with mine.

i am still upset about the LS2 but i don't like that much the new hood (MPD scorpio looks much better).

After reading books about the original one i realized that continuous changes were also happening each years so it helped not feeling too screwed by pontiac. :banghead: .

['91 Formula]

I will keep mine. If anything I will buy a 2007 GTO. What will you 05 owners do when you see the 06 GTO? Or the 07 GTO with the optional LS7. ;)

Woah!! LS7? For 2007? Do you have any info that this is a real posibility?

[JSWS6]

U guys keep saying oh 50hp is no big deal
Headers,cold air and yadda yadda yadda and I'm there too.

What are u gonna do when a LS2 GTO adds these mods too.
I'll tell ya,You'll be looking at there tailights wishing u had a 05 ;)

By hook or by crook I'll have an 05...

[GMH GTO]

Keeping my holden inspired 04 GTO thanks and not buying some non functional hood scooped 05 GTO. I think people who yearn for the 05s GTO additions are insecure with themself, they need to have dual exit exhaust in order to not be self concious of how their car looks instead of how it performs or drives. What do the hood scoops do? The hood as is very easy for using a buffer on :) my $.02.

I would consider adding a 05 or even a second 04, but that would put me in the poor house

[2004blkgtostpmn]

I will keep my 04 to replace my daily driver when my fiero dies. :bomb:
I am already starting to save for my 07 gto or the possible new camaro down the line. Ill start heavy modding the GOAT in about two years. :cool:

[teejay]

I am hoping that by 2007 I can afford an '04.

[mlc]

I'm keeping mine. With the mileage I'm putting on the warrenty will be over in 18 months. ...although I bet I don't wait that long.

[Tails]

Keeping mine for a while. I know eventually a new goat is in my future but my current relationship has just barely started. I still have the original tires on her.
:drink::drink:

[CMNTMXR57]

Nope.

1) I don't care for the "tacky" visual enhancements from the majority of complaints that the minority of actual potential customers voiced. (did that make sense?)

2) Financial. It just isn't workable when at this point, you're generally upside down.

3) LS2 Power. While it's great and all, and yes, tick for tack, the same mod thrown at either motor will keep that window of difference, mods for the LS1 are A) cheap and B) plentiful. It won't be another 2 years before the aftermarket for the LS2 even START to be come an afforable proposition. By that time the LS7 (or whatever other variant they have out) will be on the way. So are all you '05 owners gonna jump ship then too? It's like computers, it's a never ending march of progression. The minute you buy your '05, it'll be obsolete by the '06.

And Zbaron, I think it was you that mentioned you don't want to buy an '04 then have to mod it, potentially void your warranty (which is another whole discussion we could have) in order to equal the LS2. My guess is, when you get the LS2, you're gonna mod it too. Pot, Kettle, Black! :D

[Doc GTO]

To the first guy who really wants to trade up.....how about you give me 8k , I;ll give you 400 hp at the engine ( mods from above) and I'll kick you real hard in the Balls. ( to simulate the dealer ). You will be making out in the end by 2k in your pocket. What do you say ?


I love this!!! You'll need the $2000 to have the urologist remove your balls from your abdomine so it will we a wash out!

[Gaijin]

I'm keeping my '04.

[TriShield]

If I owned an 04 I would enjoy it until 06 or 07.

[MIGoat]

No way..... :sneaky:

[miamio]

All this talk of which looks better has led me one one conclusion.... For the same price (or maybe less) it would take to make an 04 look like an 05 I can make my 04 look the way it should, like a Monaro!!!!

[phobos512]

I will likely keep the 04 until she can't go no more. This is the first car that I have purchased without any help whatsoever (the last car I had a down payment that was part of an inheritance - not this time) and this is also my first performance vehicle and dammit...She's perty and my first true car love :)

[JSWS6]

LS7 wont be put in a GTO....
No way boys...

[Dbluegoat]

LS7 wont be put in a GTO....
No way boys...
if your going to make a statement like that please back it up with something....so what are we to expect in '07? hp and engine wise

[Mikeyboy]

JSWS6, what makes you think this? :rolleyes: You have no idea what GM will decide to do. As for trading the 04 in on an 05? Terrible financial move, and I can easily mod the 04. Aftermarket parts will take a lil time to be made for the LS2, believe me. I remember when the LS1 came out, the aftermarket world was full of parts for the LT1/LT4, but not LS1, it took some time, as LS2 parts will. 04 owners can finger through a GM performance parts catalog at their dealership and order some LS6 internals and be good to go. The dealership should install them and not void warranty, we'll install them with no problem. I've allready installed one set of LS6 heads and cam into an 04 goat at work. 400 horses isn't that hard to get to from 350 guys :gr_jest:

[Stangar]

You will have a better chance of finding Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan than finding the said dealer above.



He is not in Pakistan.

[Gaijin]

He is not in Pakistan.

Isn't that what he inferred? :)

[gtoinlv]

Ever gotten peeled on a car sale?? Don't assume the general population is so smart. If I were hell bent on getting an '05 I'd slap a for sale sign on it with your phone # and just ask a ridiculous price.... If your in a city like Las Vegas..(where I live) Some one out there will pay 30k for a used car. I'm telling you I've been in sales a long time...buyers are dumb. Most of them. So go for it.. if you find a dumb buyer...your gain...if not don't get peeled at the dealor...It's not worth it.

Now on a second note....If you plan to keep your '04.... It's not a bad idea. People with LS2 engine are going to have a difficult time Magnachargin' with a 10.9:1 stock compression ratio. To my mind the Magnacharger is an excellent performance upgrade for $5995. You'll outrun any '05 GOAT, WRX Sti, Cobra, etc etc.

And maybe it's just me but something looks very weird about the '05 ass... with the different colors.. it looks like ....I dont' know... dumb. I think that contrary to some people I find the rather simple styling of the '04 to be elegant....and clean.

On the auto vs manual..... to me it's a simple choice. the '04 is the first manual I've had and I'm glad I chose it. It lets you controal your car and engine precisesly. You can always pick the right gear. And you avoid a $1000 gas guzzler tax....and a much larger gas bill. 21 vs 29 mpg on highway is alot. So even if the '05 auto is .2 sec quicker to 60... it will lose ground quickly as speed increases.

Also am I the only one that thinks the traction control feature should be programmable to be OFF rather than ON when you start the car if you so choose. It's a warm up ritual of mine to push the T/C button before pushing back from the jetway... hahaha !!! But I wish i didn't have to.

OH AND MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TRYING TO IMPRESS A GIRL.... When you're cruisin show her the T/C button and tell her to puch it... when she asks what it is tell her it's the TURBO CHARGER BUTTON..... as soon as she pushes it hit WOT and watch the look. What they don't know won't hurt em. HAHAHA

Ok later.

[Holeshot]

OH AND MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TRYING TO IMPRESS A GIRL.... When you're cruisin show her the T/C button and tell her to puch it... when she asks what it is tell her it's the TURBO CHARGER BUTTON..... as soon as she pushes it hit WOT and watch the look. What they don't know won't hurt em. HAHAHA

Ok later.

Thats too funny LOL

[nikivee]

LS7 wont be put in a GTO....
No way boys...


don't be surprised. :D Many betted on their life that the 05 GTO would NOT get the 400HP LS2. We see how that went. :D

[AMBGTO]

No way I would go for an '05.

I've had mine a month (black w/red interior, m6), and after Christmas it's going to Indiana for a couple of weeks to have Lingenfelter's "350 CID" package installed. Price is not bad ($6,985) and a measurable jump in HP (450, I believe) and torque (395 Ft/lb.), plus it's a warranted install (2 yrs). Even with that, I'll have only $37K in the car, which I believe will be cheaper in the long run.

I've had no problems with mine whatsoever (knock on wood), but my only problem is with GM. Should have known, but they just can't control themselves on rebates/pricing. You would think a limited-production vehicle might be protected from this, but NOOOO!! I paid a fair price (below MSRP, $100 above dealer cost), but the rebate thing just hammers the resale value, at least short-term.

[bonequark]

LS7 wont be put in a GTO....
No way boys...

HAHAHAHA! Nik, some people never learn do they?

[TprGTO-[Robo Fuzz]]

Definately keeping the 2004.

[MOPAR Refugee]

Here's my idea... I prefer the subtle flat hood and single outlet valance of the 04. Dealers are dumping them below invoice because of the huge market miscalculation that overproduced total units and M6 percentage. The LS2 has bumped the static CR up from the LS1, so blowers on stock short blocks will be touchy (witness Z06).

I live at 6000ft altitude and often travel to 10000ft. Considering the above, the 04 is the car to have. The SLP exhaust and Magnacharger added to a silver LS1/M6 ought to blow away any Rocky Mtn LS2 with stealth and economy to boot. BTW, how about adding Rocky Mtn Region to the website? We're not Midwest, Southwest or Northwest...

[Warren]

I thought this one had died..... :barf: :banghead:

[MOPAR Refugee]

Sorry, didn't know about Rocky Mtn baggage.. (Kansas?). But why does Texas rate? :wall:

[Holeshot]

Sorry, didn't know about Rocky Mtn baggage.. (Kansas?). But why does Texas rate? :wall:

MOPAR Refugee
I am sure Warren was referring to the thread in general, not your post.
If you go back to the front of this thread and read it all you will see why he posted what he did.

Oh and by the way Welcome to our humble sometimes insane home :)

[Dbluegoat]

Ever gotten peeled on a car sale?? Don't assume the general population is so smart. If I were hell bent on getting an '05 I'd slap a for sale sign on it with your phone # and just ask a ridiculous price.... If your in a city like Las Vegas..(where I live) Some one out there will pay 30k for a used car. I'm telling you I've been in sales a long time...buyers are dumb. Most of them. So go for it.. if you find a dumb buyer...your gain...if not don't get peeled at the dealor...It's not worth it.

Now on a second note....If you plan to keep your '04.... It's not a bad idea. People with LS2 engine are going to have a difficult time Magnachargin' with a 10.9:1 stock compression ratio. To my mind the Magnacharger is an excellent performance upgrade for $5995. You'll outrun any '05 GOAT, WRX Sti, Cobra, etc etc.

And maybe it's just me but something looks very weird about the '05 ass... with the different colors.. it looks like ....I dont' know... dumb. I think that contrary to some people I find the rather simple styling of the '04 to be elegant....and clean.

On the auto vs manual..... to me it's a simple choice. the '04 is the first manual I've had and I'm glad I chose it. It lets you controal your car and engine precisesly. You can always pick the right gear. And you avoid a $1000 gas guzzler tax....and a much larger gas bill. 21 vs 29 mpg on highway is alot. So even if the '05 auto is .2 sec quicker to 60... it will lose ground quickly as speed increases.

Also am I the only one that thinks the traction control feature should be programmable to be OFF rather than ON when you start the car if you so choose. It's a warm up ritual of mine to push the T/C button before pushing back from the jetway... hahaha !!! But I wish i didn't have to.

OH AND MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TRYING TO IMPRESS A GIRL.... When you're cruisin show her the T/C button and tell her to puch it... when she asks what it is tell her it's the TURBO CHARGER BUTTON..... as soon as she pushes it hit WOT and watch the look. What they don't know won't hurt em. HAHAHA

Ok later.
all well said........push this baby....hehe :wall:

[GotTogO]

Not a friggin chance!

The only way I'll get an 05 is if you give me one. If I win the lottery I still won't get one. The 04 is as perfect as it can be (IMHO).

If I had money to burn I would look elsewhere for something different. Not something that's kinda the same (why? I already have the 04). If you want an 05, get an 05. But trading "UP", you're lyin' to yourself.

I love this car man.

[Warren]

Sorry, didn't know about Rocky Mtn baggage.. (Kansas?). But why does Texas rate? :wall:
I did not mean to flame you at your first post. The first two pages of this thread I did not like. Sorry if you read it and thought it was worth posting in. The reason I want this thread to die is because it is growing to the point that it is worthless information. We are trying to pass on worthwile information here.

BTW, I love Texas.

[Red Devil]

All you 05 haters need to realize a few things...

1. It is the same car in general as the 04
2. Same company makes it
3. It has a better engine
4. Will have a few options, which means the 05 owners will be paying more then you did
5. Once the price hits the streets sales of the 04's will grow

Lets let this thread die. If someone wants to buy an 05 then let them. I for one am considering an 05, a W40, or an 05 mustang. It is people like you that scare people from buying these cars and joining this great site.