Motor Trend - "2008 GTO is Dead"

[backinblack]

Just recieved the latest Motor Trend featuring the Re-birth of the Camaro (that's the "good news"). The "bad news" is that there was a sentence in the article, "the 2008 GTO is dead"... :cry:

True? It would seem to me that it would make sense for Chevy to have the Camaro and Pontiac to have the more "upscale" GTO on the Zeta platform...I don't subscribe to the "bring back the Firebird/Trans Am" theory...GM can't afford to go down the re-badging path again.

Hate to see the '08 GTO get tossed...if it does, does that make the '04-'06 GTOs more valuable? :angel:

Comments?

[bryced1]

my theroy on this is that it would make value go down in the future, as without new GTOs and only a small number being made for 3 years, the gtos might slip under the radar so to speak, and not have a high demand, therefore, not as valuble. just my oppinion, i could have it completly backards.

[jagular]

Makes them more valuable, IMHO.

[V8FORLIFE]

IMHO, the 2004 will drop pretty quick with its 5.7 but the 2005's and
2006's with the 400 HP 6.0 and standard hoods, etc should hold OK

[mrgto]

I'll wait until I hear what GM says about it. MT said before that the GTO would die, then said Zeta Lite, then die, then Lite again and now dead again. All they are doing is speculation.

[JETNITRO]

Makes them more valuable, IMHO.


Makes them more valuable I say 2004 and 2006 holding value ussually first and last year ...But who the hell knows for sure...Depends how future vehicles and the cost of them and performance will be in the future ...Just my guess to.

[bonequark]

If you want to have some idea of what the future holds, you always look to the past. Limited edition high performance cars have always held their value well in the past. In fact, appreciating far beyond what most people could have envisioned during the vehicle's production run. Does this give us a clue for the future? You make the call!

[JETNITRO]

If you want to have some idea of what the future holds, you always look to the past. Limited edition high performance cars have always held their value well in the past. In fact, appreciating far beyond what most people could have envisioned during the vehicle's production run. Does this give us a clue for the future? You make the call!


I agree with that statement my old Buick GN Is still worth some bucks I payed 16,000in 1987 and now? Just look at the cars in the 60's at the barret jackson actions :yumyum:

[rico750sxi]

I really want to know if the GTO is dead again, I hope not.

[nikivee]

MT is clueless. This is what they said in August. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

By Todd Lassa
Motor Trend, August 2005



General Motors's plans for a rear-drive Buick Velite sedan, convertible, or anything else are officially dead. The murder also affects any rear-drive Chevy coupe, Camaro, Chevelle, or otherwise. While development of a new Zeta platform was scaled back months ago, the decision to pull the plug on these new cars is much more recent. The only sub-Cadillac/ Corvette rear-drive program going forth (beside Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky) is the next-gen GTO, expected for the 2008 model year.

[Pont3]

MT is clueless. This is what they said in August. They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

I certainly hope you're right because I have no use for a four door car. I know I'm in the minority and GM has to appeal to the big crowd but if they want to sell me a car, it HAS to be a 2 door four passenger coupe. Even though no one has ever been in the back seat of my GTO, I still require it, just not four doors. I will always support GM but my dollars will go to the manufacturer that offers what I want. I won't buy import and have always favored GM over Ford or Chrylser. Looks like I won't be buying a new car anytime soon.

[Pulse Red GTO]

I think the 04's will be worth the most, first year back for them & also the limited edition "Pulse Red" I think will be a good one to have. I am kinda glad I chose that over the IBM, the red is growing on me!

[nequiem]

I certainly hope you're right because I have no use for a four door car.

I wonder if GM can afford to put out multiple RWD coupes for each division anymore? Mopar fanboys raised eight kinds of heck about the Charger when it came out but last month's sales were 8,023 and climbing. Charger was made to appeal to soccer moms and baby boomers but also sells 65% to affluent males. What would you do if you were GM? Even if GTO sold only 5,000 a month, add Camaro and other possible RWD's on the same platform and the 150K target Lutz wants is feasible. Don't think he was just talking about the Camaro quoting that number. What brings down the RX-8 is performance, room, and reliability. What if you could one up that with a larger GM equivalent that had a respectable engine and futuristic styling with a dash of retro? Might help to bring some much needed excitement back to the General. Here's hoping. I wonder if MT might be technically right when they state the MY2008 GTO is dead. We'll see.

[98Formula]

I cannot stand Motor Trend. They have given out countless incorrect information. I believe the only time they gave out anything of value was with their Charger info.

Don't listen to them.

[rico750sxi]

Why no GTO at the Detriot Show then, makes me wonder.

[jeremyc74]

I'd guess that everyone at GM is in a panic right now, and not even God knows what they are going to be selling two years from now.

The Camaro generated a lot of hype, but I'm not sure it's going to generate the kind of cash flow needed to make GM solid. It's certainly a step in the right direction, but they've got to do better with the "bread and butter" stuff. GM needs a couple of good, solid, in-expensive family cars in it's lineup right now, and personally I'm not sure that leaves a lot of developement money for relatively low volume performance cars.

I'd guess that the current GTOs will be worth some money in the future, with the LS2 versions selling better than the '04s. The production numbers are low enough that I think 20 years from now they will be hard to come by in decent shape.

If gas prices go crazy in the next few years, I'd say the chances of them being worth a lot are even better, or if GM axes it's performance cars. Lets not forget that the Camaro isn't rolling down the assembly line just yet.

[Joe6pt0]

What's worth the most out of the 94-96 impalas? Same engine choice, but the answer is obvious. If its not obvious, you can do some searching to make it so.

They are still holding value very well for a car that old. I'd suspect the GTOs will be very similar.

[Bad04GTO]

WOW Just think, the car rags would be able to devote every issue to a Camaro-Mustang shootout as they used to do. It would be a nice change to get away from the constant praise of the BMW-Mercedes-Mazda they do now. I think Car and Driver also reported on the Camaro, with no mention of a dead GTO. I think GM needs to rethink their theories, as the car rags say the Camaro wont even be available till 09-10. Maybe a little late for it. If they want to get in on the new musclecar wars, why not stick with the proven one in the GTO. Hell they should just make a GTO copy and rebadge it a Camaro. We all know the Camaro diehards would snatch it up.

[Ironmancan]

I looked everywhere for a new car that I liked. I wanted to wait for the new BMW Z4 M Roadster thats coming out in June but I can't buy German/Jap when our Domestic companies are in trouble. I'm a ragtop man but frankly I could not find a domestic ragtop that I liked so I decided to keep my Z3 roadster and buy something else. After alot of home work I came across the GTO. I looked at Mustang's, Dodge's and GM's one of the last cars I went to look at was the GTO and whatever doubt I had was removed after the drive. What an awesome car. If I turn on the TV and wait a few minutes I'll see a ford commerical with the mustang. Look in the paper and there's a Mustang ad. Get a magazine and there it is again etc, etc. Why don't I see any GTO ad's/commercials etc. Can't really complain about the sale numbers if their not actively trying to sell the car. Good example is on this site just about all the media here is for the 04 model. I think if more American's knew about this little gold mine more would buy it. Unlike the Mustang thats out there and finds you the GTO is almost hidden and you need to go find it. Sorry about the long post.

[MarineGTO]

The only ad for a GTO I have ever seen before I bought one was the inside cover of the 2004 SI swimsuit edition with the black goat behind the sign as the cop is driving by. I fell in love at that moment(with the car and Marrisa Miller). Imagine how many others would have noticed that ad if it was made into a commercial?

[bonequark]

Why no GTO at the Detriot Show then, makes me wonder.


Pondering the imponderable again eh? Look, if NikiVee tells you there's gonna be a GTO, rest your weary head and stop worrying. GM quietly resurrected the Zeta program in Australia. There are now hundreds of engineers scratching themselves Down Under and working on more than just a new Camaro.

What's even more amazing is that this is public knowledge and yet you STILL want to believe Motor Trend or C&D or R&T after GM stopped insider news sharing with them long ago.

And for those folks waiting for the domestic car mags to stop their infatuation with German and Japanese automakers, give it a break. Not in our lifetime as they say in the trade. It will take a change in ownership and editorial boards before that is ever going to happen. The most you will get from the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism is grudging admiration when Ford or GM hit one out of the park.

[cdgoin]

If you want to have some idea of what the future holds, you always look to the past. Limited edition high performance cars have always held their value well in the past. In fact, appreciating far beyond what most people could have envisioned during the vehicle's production run. Does this give us a clue for the future? You make the call!

ESPECIALLY when its a main line manufacturer. IT would be different if it were made by a small manufacturer like Qvale, etc.. those drop in value fast.

Not to mention the GTO is a steal now for what you get anyway.

Charles

[cdgoin]

Why no GTO at the Detriot Show then, makes me wonder.

Need something to show at the NY Show? Maybe the LA show ;) Maybe the Sydney show?

Charles

[simpleGTO]

They need to make a few with the LS7 before they stop. Call it the new Judge and make a few happy owners. The world doesn't need anymore front wheel drive crap.
Just dreaming
Larry

[Pont3]

They need to make a few with the LS7 before they stop. Call it the new Judge and make a few happy owners. The world doesn't need anymore front wheel drive crap.
Just dreaming
Larry

Ditto on the FWD. There is supposed to be a new color coming later this year. Could POSSIBLY sport some other changes as well. You never know.

[nikivee]

no new color. It was cancelled.

[txbatman]

no new color. It was cancelled.
He is such a tease!:secret:

[OrangeCrushM6]

All I can say is if ya don't have one, get one while ya can. There may be more in the future, but ain't gonna be like this three year run. :hail:

[06LS2GTO]

All I can say is if ya don't have one, get one while ya can. There may be more in the future, but ain't gonna be like this three year run. :hail:
I agree. Why even take a chance on an '08. The current GTO is a winner and will be hard to top! The word is getting out even without advertising. I've read that Holden can only produce about 18,000/year regardless of demand. Possibly that may be why there are few if any ads?? Thoughts??

[Swampgoat]

:secret: I tell ya, death of the goat is a secret conspiracy between the F-body folks and the Mustang crowd.:secret:

[Joe6pt0]

I'll take the bet that it won't be there in 08 nor 09.....









(gm inside employees not eligible)

[txbatman]

I'll take the bet that it won't be there in 08 nor 09....



(gm inside employees not eligible)

Are you saying yes there will or no there won't?

[rlsedition]

You read that the new Challenger won't see the market until 2009 - why would you think the Camaro (or potential new GTO) would be any quicker?

[JETNITRO]

You read that the new Challenger won't see the market until 2009 - why would you think the Camaro (or potential new GTO) would be any quicker?


Usually its 2 years after the concept is shown off to the public my guess sometime in 2008

[Joe6pt0]

Are you saying yes there will or no there won't?
wont

[txbatman]

wont

Ill take your $20 from you, no prob.

[nikivee]

You read that the new Challenger won't see the market until 2009 - why would you think the Camaro (or potential new GTO) would be any quicker?


Sources within DC are saying the Challenger will start production in the Spring, around March of 2007 and probably arrive in dealerships for the Summer as as a 2008 Model following he same timeframe as the Chargers did. There is also indication that the Camaro may be fasttracked for an 08 release date. Some within GM management are pushing for it as we speak.

[nikivee]

Pontiac will get a large RWD sedan to replace the GP and a Coupe. Bet on it.

[HonchoMcNabb]

I don't know for certain what the future holds. But I am pretty sure that it involves pencil pushing politicians saying that "muscle" cars kill people. The hippy communist John Lennon wannabies will say that our cars are bad for the environment and CARB will kill our cars. And I'm afraid that in the comming years Big Brother's plan to have us all riding mass transit will come to fruition. My advice, don't speculate on the future unless you want to be depressed all the time. Ride around in your car and enjoy it, because you never known a giant anvil will fall from the sky and crush you.

[nikivee]

I don't know for certain what the future holds. But I am pretty sure that it involves pencil pushing politicians saying that "muscle" cars kill people. The hippy communist John Lennon wannabies will say that our cars are bad for the environment and CARB will kill our cars. And I'm afraid that in the comming years Big Brother's plan to have us all riding mass transit will come to fruition. My advice, don't speculate on the future unless you want to be depressed all the time. Ride around in your car and enjoy it, because you never known a giant anvil will fall from the sky and crush you.


:rolleyes:

[Joe6pt0]

Ill take your $20 from you, no prob.

Only $20? I thought we were doing a real bet?

Ok, I'm going to make sure I save a screenshot of this so that I can collect my cash ;)

[The Black Phantom]

Pontiac will get a large RWD sedan to replace the GP and a Coupe. Bet on it.

If nikivee says it you better believe it. Since I've been a member of this forum everything he has said has been proven true! :thumbs:

[mrgto]

Pontiac will get a large RWD sedan to replace the GP and a Coupe. Bet on it.



GOD PLEASE LET THEM HAVE A STICK!!!!

[johnh]

GOD PLEASE LET THEM HAVE A STICK!!!!

Rather have 5 or 6 spd auto at least. A stick would be nice, but a stick isn't as much fun in a family hauler...