Whoever said 275 Nittos don't rub is a liar

[fat nick]

Well last night I put on my DR's that got delivered by the little brown truck. My buddy has the snap on mounter so I went to his house and we mounted them. I was looking to see if they would rub, which driving around easily it doesn't rub at all. Floor it and when you get done, you have a nice mark all the way around the tires. Not to mention wheel hop is worse now than it ever was.

So my question is this: How do you roll the fenders with a baseball bat, and how effective is it?

[mistermike]

Is it rubbing on both sides? Stock wheels? There is a fair amount of variability in lateral body mounting position, so YMMV. The Drag Bags will solve your wheel hop and clearance issues for minimal cost.

[Swampgoat]

Not a liar, just someone who has proper rear sub frame alignment.
I have friend (GTO831) who street and strip drives on 275 Nittos. No rubbing.
Search posts in suspension section to find out more.
Posts by DMS are a trove of info.
On baseball bat....you can google it to find stuff, but a fender roller is the way to go.
Good rim shop will have one. Bout 25 bucks a side to have rolled.Bat away at you own risk.
Side angle grinder is an option too. Dont forget the primer if you grind.

Nick, any relation to Nicks restaraunt in Yorktown?

[grfperformance]

Also, you need to stiffen up the rear end by adding springs and shocks. Part of the problem is you're getting a lot of squat.

[bnvus]

Drag bags and King springs will solve that problem. Or roll the fenders. PM Snafu, he is renting out the tools to do it.

[Nemisis]

I don't think I would mount 275's whether their nitto or not on a 8" rim, thats not recomended from any tire company, and I certainly wouldn't do it either. I know the nitto's are a little narrower more like 265 but still, not a chance I'm willing to take.

[fat nick]

Drag bags and King springs will solve that problem. Or roll the fenders. PM Snafu, he is renting out the tools to do it.

Will do.

Thanks again, guys.

[sxty8goats]

I don't think I would mount 275's whether their nitto or not on a 8" rim, thats not recomended from any tire company, and I certainly wouldn't do it either. I know the nitto's are a little narrower more like 265 but still, not a chance I'm willing to take.

There are an awful lot of us running the 275 Nittos with no problems.

[GTO1_OHIO]

I don't think I would mount 275's whether their nitto or not on a 8" rim, thats not recomended from any tire company, and I certainly wouldn't do it either. I know the nitto's are a little narrower more like 265 but still, not a chance I'm willing to take.

I agree...with what I know about tires I just couldn't make myself pull the trigger on the 275's and ended up buying the Nitto 245 DRs. Rolling the fenders didn't bother me the 8" rim size did.

[JETNITRO]

:gr_jest: Well last night I put on my DR's that got delivered by the little brown truck. My buddy has the snap on mounter so I went to his house and we mounted them. I was looking to see if they would rub, which driving around easily it doesn't rub at all. Floor it and when you get done, you have a nice mark all the way around the tires. Not to mention wheel hop is worse now than it ever was.

So my question is this: How do you roll the fenders with a baseball bat, and how effective is it?


In regards for calling us Liars

Hey meat head don't call us liars there are hundreds of people on this forum that have 0% issues with the Nitto 275/40 r17 Drag radails So does that mean they a liar ? If they have No problems? :madsign3: Oh yea I think a baseball bat for rolling would be perfect for you :gr_jest: ...Just watch the paint chip right off. Check the rear alignment

[Holeshot]

There are an awful lot of us running the 275 Nittos with no problems.
You have had yours a long time And I never saw a rub mark.

[GTWhoa]

275 Nittos don't rub, you're just too damn fat.

[ROKS ROKET]

There are an awful lot of us running the 275 Nittos with no problems.

You can put me in that category of NO RUBBING problems with my 275 Nittos. That's including hard launches, tight turns, etc.... I take offence to be called a Liar, just because you're havening rubbing problems doesn't mean everyone is. Don't lump everyone into your problems, it seems like everything you do to your Goat is a problem. You'd be better off just posting your own experiences and NOT include anyone else...........:madsign3:

~ROK~

[highperf]

For evey 275 Nitto that doesn't rub, there's one that does. There is definitely lateral variation in the rear. couple that the fact that a 275 is a close fit on any GTO.

There are No liars here (well maybe a couple, but not about their tires :)).

how can Proper cradle alignment can be brought into this tire rub thing, who has scientifically prooved that ?

[MadGoat]

Mine don't rub

[hardcore]

mine rub on hard take offs air bags fix, i also rolled

[Tims05]

mine only rub with less then 32 psi and on hard take launches. driving around with 35-40 psi i dont have one problem.

[hardcore]

mine only rub with less then 32 psi and on hard take launches. driving around with 35-40 psi i dont have one problem.

I guess that's my problem then......30psi all the time 15-20 at the track

[BLACK05GTO]

I have Nitto's 275s with no rubbing. I've also done a lot of hard launches. But I have BMR cross member bushings. Other than that I'm all stock.

Oh, I'm already on my second set of Nitto's.

[Rob]

There are an awful lot of us running the 275 Nittos with no problems.Yep. Mine are my everyday tire and they haven't rubbed once.

Wheel hop was greatly reduced with these tires also. Although it does tend to come back when the tires and streets are cold though.

[JETNITRO]

You can put me in that category of NO RUBBING problems with my 275 Nittos. That's including hard launches, tight turns, etc.... I take offence to be called a Liar, just because you're havening rubbing problems doesn't mean everyone is. Don't lump everyone into your problems, it seems like everything you do to your Goat is a problem. You'd be better off just posting your own experiences and NOT include anyone else...........:madsign3:

~ROK~

Go rok Go rok,

I thought I was big But your a fat wilderbeast/ Sumo :angel: sayin all that I take offense as well.

[GotGTO]

0 rubbing here as well.

[OrangeCrushM6]

Hey meat head

:gr_jest: :gr_jest: :gr_jest:

[GTO2104]

Where can i get some nice 17x9's with the correct offset. I'm having a hard time finding them, I wanna buy my 275 40 r17 MT dragradials but dont wanna put them on my stock rims.

[Rob]

Where can i get some nice 17x9's with the correct offset. I'm having a hard time finding them, I wanna buy my 275 40 r17 MT dragradials but dont wanna put them on my stock rims.WS6 or SS wheels off a 4th gen F-Body.

[CGCBandit]

Yep. Mine are my everyday tire and they haven't rubbed once.

Wheel hop was greatly reduced with these tires also. Although it does tend to come back when the tires and streets are cold though.I couldn't believe they didn't rub with all of us in there a while back, 4 people, 2 of us being heavyweights at that:gr_jest:

[daveinsa]

Well last night I put on my DR's that got delivered by the little brown truck. My buddy has the snap on mounter so I went to his house and we mounted them. I was looking to see if they would rub, which driving around easily it doesn't rub at all. Floor it and when you get done, you have a nice mark all the way around the tires. Not to mention wheel hop is worse now than it ever was.

So my question is this: How do you roll the fenders with a baseball bat, and how effective is it?


Mine are mounted on stock rims. No rub with 34 lbs. on the highway. At the strip I go with 20. Any less and it will hit the fender with expansion when you burnout.

[IBM/M6]

mine have not rubbed either only upgrade is swaybar

[Wipeout]

I've only ever known mine to rub one time, and that was a hard turn at good speed up an inclined driveway. That which i'll never do again.

Other than that, i've been happy street and track, 35psi and 18

[radkon]

My setup is full stock suspension with 275 Nittos on stock rims without rub. And I've had a few heavy passengers (3 200lb people) and luggage in the car still no rub.

As mentioned there are some cars that have rub, as for the comment for every no rub there is a rub that might be a bit high. With the reading and research I've done I'd say 1/3 may rub. Also as stated this may be pointing out a possible alignment issue, rear cradle or camber issue not just on your car but on those of us who don't have rubbing issues. Honestly I haven't had my alignment checked.

I too was concerned with slapping a 275 on an 8 inch rim but I don't run them very often and have talked to many tire folks that didn't seem to have concerns with them.

Bottom line its about the biggest tire you can put on the gto stock rim but its not always problem free. A little rolling should help the issue.

[1BadAction]

You'd be better off just posting your own experiences and NOT include anyone else...........:madsign3:

~ROK~

or better yet selling his goat and getting a civic. :fawkdance

[bigjim]

or better yet selling his goat and getting a civic. :fawkdance

:eek: :gr_jest:

[94TransAmGT]

Is yourself.

Inflammatory statements, calling people liars?

The fact is if you simply pointed out the rubbing issue people would be more willing to help you.

Humility is tough to learn, I know. But don't be afraid to ask questions.

Lesson over, now to the question at hand.

The GTO has mucho body variation, I know my 18" Privat's w/ 245's rub on ONE side only! I had the inner fenderlip ground on both sides.

94TransAmGT

[fat nick]

You can put me in that category of NO RUBBING problems with my 275 Nittos. That's including hard launches, tight turns, etc.... I take offence to be called a Liar, just because you're havening rubbing problems doesn't mean everyone is. Don't lump everyone into your problems, it seems like everything you do to your Goat is a problem. You'd be better off just posting your own experiences and NOT include anyone else...........:madsign3:

~ROK~

You always have to give some ****ing smart ass comment don't you?

They rub under launches or anytime you floor it. Just driving around, they don't rub.

[fat nick]

Is yourself.

Inflammatory statements, calling people liars?

The fact is if you simply pointed out the rubbing issue people would be more willing to help you.

Humility is tough to learn, I know. But don't be afraid to ask questions.

Lesson over, now to the question at hand.

The GTO has mucho body variation, I know my 18" Privat's w/ 245's rub on ONE side only! I had the inner fenderlip ground on both sides.

94TransAmGT

I just think it's funny, you have all of these people running around stating 275 Nittos are the only 275s that don't rub when in fact they do.

[ROKS ROKET]

You always have to give some ****ing smart ass comment don't you?

They rub under launches or anytime you floor it. Just driving around, they don't rub.

Not as much as all the Stupid things you say!!!!! Mine Do NOT Rub, Period!

~ROK~

[paco loco]

there is a body shop in chesapeake that does good work. they charge a 100bux a side to trim the fenders and then coat them with a rubber coating. team hi-dust body shop behind volkswagon dealership. btw my driver side rubbed.

also, utill you heat them up (on a cold) street wheel hop is magnified (in my experience). on nicer, warmer days, they're just fine.

[fat nick]

Please, everything I state is fact. From what I dynoed, to my tires rubbing, to my cats being red on the dyno. You try to come in wherever you can and make a comment about shit you know nothing about.

[fat nick]

there is a body shop in chesapeake that does good work. they charge a 100bux a side to trim the fenders and then coat them with a rubber coating. team hi-dust body shop behind volkswagon dealership. btw my driver side rubbed.

also, utill you heat them up (on a cold) street wheel hop is magnified (in my experience). on nicer, warmer days, they're just fine.

So $200, and this will be taken care of.

Haven't had a warm day yet, but my misworn stockers had less wheelhop when cold.

[silverbugeye]

I will say like others that your rear diff may not be aligned properly..

My 275's dont rub at any PSI either

[ROKS ROKET]

Some people are just.............

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~ROK~

[fat nick]

Holy shit, you mean to tell me people your age know how to use google too:rolleyes:

[1BadAction]

wow, people like this guy are the reason why half the GTO owners that lurk here don't post.

[fat nick]

I posted my experience with rubbing and get flamed. You're right, this board is a flamefest, which is why people don't post here.

[Rynez06]

i have 275 BFG KD's in the rear (had them laying around in my garage), they are wider then the Nitto's, they rubbed a bunch, nothing a cut-off wheel and hammer couldnt fix.

[paco loco]

by far one of man's best inventions...the hammer :D

[Ferretts]

It seems that Fat Nick is quickly becoming the resident troll!:bubbrub


And i think it is funny how he still has his inflated dyno numbers in his sig. It isn't wise to keep bashing various memebers and to claim that everyones car is rubbing is just stupid. You probably did a bad install, don't go blaming the forum. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul!

[fat nick]

You're a ****ing idiot.

[bigjim]

You're a ****ing idiot.

:slap: Get over yourself................

[sxty8goats]

You're a ****ing idiot.

Funny how 99% of the people who have put the 275 Nittos on have no problems and now that you do, everyone is an idiot or liar.. I've raced, driven hard, Launched hard at the track in very sticky VHT. No rubbing. No mods to the rear end or fenders. If you are having problems I am sorry but being unique doesn't give you the right to lash out at everone else.

[05gtoproject16]

My tires don't ever rub

[VR42GTO]

I'd like everyone to pay attention to this...

Nick says he gets rubbing on hard launches or anytime he floors it...

Ok so how many times are you beating the crap out of your car with CLOGGED TO SHIT CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your car is allegedly screwed due to clogged/melted cats and your still beating the piss out of it! AND as already mentioned, still have the BS 399rwhp in your sig.

Enjoy your GTO till it explodes which won't be too long from now.

[bigjim]

Maybe he has the 275's on the front?........:thumbs:

[highperf]

Funny how 99% of the people who have put the 275 Nittos on have no problems and now that you do, everyone is an idiot or liar.. I've raced, driven hard, Launched hard at the track in very sticky VHT. No rubbing. No mods to the rear end or fenders. If you are having problems I am sorry but being unique doesn't give you the right to lash out at everone else.sxty8; 99% don't have problems? I don't think the number is nearly that Low.


I posted my experience with rubbing and get flamed. You're right, this board is a flamefest, which is why people don't post here.
No what you posted is "Whoever said 275 Nittos don't rub is a liar"

Which is very different from an experience, I think what you got is what you can expect, and some might say What you asked for.

[boomangto]

*Thread Hi-jack* I just ordered somee Nitto 275's myself, but also ordered some drag-bags. My question is will these alone be able to prevent rubbing, or am I gonna have to get the fenders rolled as well? Just curious. Thanks

[highperf]

*Thread Hi-jack* I just ordered somee Nitto 275's myself, but also ordered some drag-bags. My question is will these alone be able to prevent rubbing, or am I gonna have to get the fenders rolled as well? Just curious. ThanksOnly time will tell

[ROKS ROKET]

I read somewhere that he's going to get headers now. I wonder what kind of trouble will come out of this one???? "Anyone that says headers makes your car louder is a freaking lair"..............:eek2: Or, I just installed my headers and now I'm dynoing at 450rwhp. And I'm sticking by what my tuner told me......

~ROK~

[TurboManiacal]

BFG 275's rub like a SOB...switched them over to an 05 GTO and race him down the track to watch them rub at launch and each shift point. Shift - smoke....shift - smoke...

[VTODD]

I read somewhere that he's going to get headers now. I wonder what kind of trouble will come out of this one???? "Anyone that says headers makes your car louder is a freaking lair"..............:eek2: Or, I just installed my headers and now I'm dynoing at 450rwhp. And I'm sticking by what my tuner told me......

~ROK~

lol i know ROK...... i can already hear it. my steering rack fell off and my PS lines broke. anyone who says LT headers are a good mod is a jackass.:gr_jest:

[sxty8goats]

BFG 275's rub like a SOB...switched them over to an 05 GTO and race him down the track to watch them rub at launch and each shift point. Shift - smoke....shift - smoke...

Yea, The 275 BFG's do rub. They are almost a 1/2 inch wider than the Nittos. You will have to Roll the fenders for the BFG's

[ROKS ROKET]

lol i know ROK...... i can already hear it. my steering rack fell off and my PS lines broke. anyone who says LT headers are a good mod is a jackass.:gr_jest:

:gr_jest: :gr_jest: :gr_jest:

~ROK~

(we're going to hell)

[94TransAmGT]

I just think it's funny, you have all of these people running around stating 275 Nittos are the only 275s that don't rub when in fact they do.

Hmm.. I guess the humuility lesson didn't take.

This guy doesn't get it. The world does not revolve around him and he does not understand there are SOME people could use 275's on their GTO and not rub. If he rubs then everyone else is a liar (his words). Who started the flaming Nick? You did with your initial post on this thread.

MOST do need to roll their inner fender lips. I had to with 245's.

94TransAmGT

PS. this isn't flaming, just stating facts.

[Rob]

Hmm.. I guess the humuility lesson didn't take.

This guy doesn't get it. The world does not revolve around him and there is no way SOME people could use 275's and not rub.

MOST do need to roll their inner fender lips. I had to with 245's.

94TransAmGT

PS. this isn't flaming, just stating facts.I haven't touched mine. And I've had people in the back that aren't exactly light weights and they still didn't rub.

When in Memphis last year, I had three passengers in the car. Front seat guy was getting close to 300 lbs. But both back seat guys were over 300 lbs each. No rubbing on the stock 245 tires. The back was incredibly low with those guys in the car :)

[sxty8goats]

I just think it's funny, you have all of these people running around stating 275 Nittos are the only 275s that don't rub when in fact they do.

On your car.

On 99.9% of the cars out there they do not. So the only thing that is funny is that God seems to be out to get you personaly, It must be Karma..

I have seen cars that sit a full inch lower than mine, Neither car's suspension modified, no weight removed, no weight added. There is some variance in the ride hights.. Maybe your car sits low. Check the gap above the side wall and the tire. I have 3/4 of an inch or more.

And Nittos are shit if the roads are cold, poor traction @ 50*F, No traction @ 40*F. You will hop if the roads are cold. And without a little launching skill you will hop if the roads are warm. Nittos only help get rid of the hop, they don't solve it.

I don't beleive in God or Karma..

[gtobizman]

lol i know ROK...... i can already hear it. my steering rack fell off and my PS lines broke. anyone who says LT headers are a good mod is a jackass.:gr_jest:

HEY that's not funny, my PS lines supposedly "cracked" due to my header install, magically 3 months after the install, according to my dealer...and then they didn't realign my car after they took the steering rack off...

[bradz24]

by far one of man's best inventions...the hammer :D

another great invention. toliet paper. .. better than a hammer. .LOL.

[Doric]

HEY that's not funny, my PS lines supposedly "cracked" due to my header install, magically 3 months after the install, according to my dealer...and then they didn't realign my car after they took the steering rack off...
That's feasible, though.

[JETNITRO]

Hmm.. I guess the humuility lesson didn't take.

This guy doesn't get it. The world does not revolve around him and he does not understand there are SOME people could use 275's on their GTO and not rub. If he rubs then everyone else is a liar (his words). Who started the flaming Nick? You did with your initial post on this thread.

MOST do need to roll their inner fender lips. I had to with 245's.

94TransAmGT

PS. this isn't flaming, just stating facts.

This stuff is freakin classic Hey Nick Please check out this Vid I wanted to show you This with the Nitto 275/40R/17'S Yes on stock Rims Its a great close up of how much swat There was at lift off & guess what THERE WAS NO RUB AT ALL ANYWHERE You gotta think before you type... B:turbonaug But I guess you don't really give a crap what you post or do you?

http://www.challengevideos.com/2005/notears/05note arsb_06.wmv

[wrp]

Subys are good cars.

[ROKS ROKET]

Please check out this Vid I wanted to show you This is with the Nitto 275/40R/17'S Yes on stock Rims Its a great close up of how much swat There was at lift off & guess what THERE WAS NO RUB AT ALL ANYWHERE
http://www.challengevideos.com/2005/notears/05note arsb_06.wmv

Very good video, nice launch and great run!!

~ROK~

[fat nick]

I could care less that your car doesn't rub, point of the matter is mine does. Parked with no one in it, the clearance between the fender and tire is less than a finger.

The reason why I posted the thread as I did, is because like I said, you have all of these people swearing by 275 Nittos not rubbing and I seem to be the first person to actually have this problem.

[EdHenderson]

I could care less that your car doesn't rub, point of the matter is mine does. Parked with no one in it, the clearance between the fender and tire is less than a finger.

The reason why I posted the thread as I did, is because like I said, you have all of these people swearing by 275 Nittos not rubbing and I seem to be the first person to actually have this problem.

So, lemme get this straight- you're the only guy having this problem, and that makes everyone not having it a dumbass~? :nuts:

.

[VTODD]

its probably best that you just apologize now for all of your woes so people will listen to you again in the future.

i would take those outrageous dyno #'s out of your sig too, but hey, thats just me.

note* the #'s in my sig are a joke before you try to bash, in case you dont understand they aren't real modifications. fatnick, dont go and put an o-pipe or cross braided break lines on your car :gr_jest: that might lead to another trait problem of yours that everybody laughs about, but hey, it might have more of an effect than ripping your muffler off at the dyno :)

[fat nick]

So, lemme get this straight- you're the only guy having this problem, and that makes everyone not having it a dumbass~? :nuts:

.

Obviously reading is not one of your strong points. What I meant by this post is to make other people aware that not every GTO can take 275's w/out rubbing.

[JETNITRO]

Very good video, nice launch and great run!!

~ROK~


Thanks alot Rok... Gee I'm So suprised Fat Didn't compiment me On the Vid: :cry: :cry: gr_jest: :gr_jest:

http://www.challengevideos.com/2005/...otearsb_06. wmv

[fat nick]

I didn't watch it until now, also I can tell you right now, you're rear end doesn't squat nearly as bad as mine does.

[JETNITRO]

What RPM DO YOU LAUNCH AT ? AND HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT SWATS SHO ME A VIDEO SO I CAN SEE OKAY...I THINK MINE SWATS ALOT I WOULD LOVE TO A VID OR PIC

[Braman'sGTO]

its probably best that you just apologize now for all of your woes so people will listen to you again in the future.

i would take those outrageous dyno #'s out of your sig too, but hey, thats just me.

note* the #'s in my sig are a joke before you try to bash, in case you dont understand they aren't real modifications. fatnick, dont go and put an o-pipe or cross braided break lines on your car :gr_jest: that might lead to another trait problem of yours that everybody laughs about, but hey, it might have more of an effect than ripping your muffler off at the dyno :)

Im not picking sided but in defense of Nick, His dyno numbers are good and true numbers. I have had my car dynoed by DTP and Abicus Racing, DTP dynoed at 344HP on a Dyno Dynamics, Abicus Dynoed 337hp on a day that was 20 degrees warmer and could not get my wheels to stop slipping. There were only 500 miles difference between the 2 runs.

On a different note, everyone is saying they are using 275's but none is mentioning if they are 45, 40, 35, or 30 series tires( sidewall hight). I did notice that alot of you mentioned having some suspention mod which may also play a part, like the harrop Dif cover will reduce lateral wheel movement.

Once again im not picking sides, just mentioning what I have noticed while reading throught this post.

[fat nick]

My car is M6 yours is A4. That is more than enough to make a difference. And I don't even need to launch it to get it to squat.

[BobthePhotoGuy]

I could care less that your car doesn't rub, point of the matter is mine does. Parked with no one in it, the clearance between the fender and tire is less than a finger.

The reason why I posted the thread as I did, is because like I said, you have all of these people swearing by 275 Nittos not rubbing and I seem to be the first person to actually have this problem.

Must be a factory freak

[sxty8goats]

And mine is an M6 w/ 375 RWHP and a stiff clutch.. Squats as much as most. No rub. Just like every other M6 I know with Nitto's 275's (45 if I remember correctly, I'll run out and look later). Yours may be different than others.. one of the ones that sits low. But you are the one who came out calling us all liars and then jumped at everyone who disputed you. Yes, we know yours rubs, sorry about your problem but it isn't our fault.

[Kevs05LS2GTO]

i just put new tires on the back of my 05 gto 275-45-17 kumo ecsta and they rub everytime i hit the gas or i hit a bump.....the only side that rubs bad is the left... any information possible for what i can do to stop this would be much appreciated please send me a reply either on here or at kev2584@sbcglobal.net thanx alot Kevin

[VTODD]

i just put new tires on the back of my 05 gto 275-45-17 kumo ecsta and they rub everytime i hit the gas or i hit a bump.....the only side that rubs bad is the left... any information possible for what i can do to stop this would be much appreciated please send me a reply either on here or at kev2584@sbcglobal.net thanx alot Kevin


PM snafu and roll your fenders.

todd

[JETNITRO]

Im not picking sided but in defense of Nick, His dyno numbers are good and true numbers. I have had my car dynoed by DTP and Abicus Racing, DTP dynoed at 344HP on a Dyno Dynamics, Abicus Dynoed 337hp on a day that was 20 degrees warmer and could not get my wheels to stop slipping. There were only 500 miles difference between the 2 runs.

On a different note, everyone is saying they are using 275's but none is mentioning if they are 45, 40, 35, or 30 series tires( sidewall hight). I did notice that alot of you mentioned having some suspention mod which may also play a part, like the harrop Dif cover will reduce lateral wheel movement.

Once again im not picking sides, just mentioning what I have noticed while reading throught this post.


Well,

Thats okay about not picking sides read the part about what size tires they are :rolleyes: Post #10 Nitto 275/40 r17 Drag radials "When that Video was taken I had 100% stock Suspension!"

http://www.challengevideos.com/2005/...otearsb_06. wmv

[JETNITRO]

My car is M6 yours is A4. That is more than enough to make a difference. And I don't even need to launch it to get it to squat.


See if you could take some Video

[Hada68GTO]

I couldn't believe they didn't rub with all of us in there a while back, 4 people, 2 of us being heavyweights at that:gr_jest:
Chris,
Are you running Nitto 275/40/17 drag radials or the 555 street version? If Drag radials, do they hold up at all on the street in terms of ware and traction? Perhaps you have extra wheels and only use them at the track. I'm wanting to do something but mine will be mainly used for every day driving so I'm leaning towards the 555 street tires. Where did you get yours?
DT

[Ferretts]

fat Nick,

You sound like an intelligent person. Your comment callign me a F***ing idiot proves that.:rolleyes: All these people saying they are not bashing, aren't, me on the other hand I am. I think you could be the dumbest person on here. Just becasue you car squats alot doesn't mean that everyone else is a liar. Maybe your carryign a little extra bagage around in you car, I don't know. But you have proven your self to be ignorant, dumb, and allegedly fat. You seem to have alot of friends on this board:gr_jest: Maybe you shoudl come up with some technical reasons why you might be rubbing becasue i am sure with your automotive expertise you can tell us how your zeta was made differently then very other zeta on the face of the planet. :slap:

[VR42GTO]

Im not picking sided but in defense of Nick, His dyno numbers are good and true numbers. I have had my car dynoed by DTP and Abicus Racing, DTP dynoed at 344HP on a Dyno Dynamics, Abicus Dynoed 337hp on a day that was 20 degrees warmer and could not get my wheels to stop slipping. There were only 500 miles difference between the 2 runs.


His numbers are NOT good and true, he went back to DTP and put down 354 rwhp, which DTP told him is due to his cats being melted and clogged. (could be BS anyway, 354 is right on for what he has done).

[fat nick]

fat Nick,

You sound like an intelligent person. Your comment callign me a F***ing idiot proves that.:rolleyes: All these people saying they are not bashing, aren't, me on the other hand I am. I think you could be the dumbest person on here. Just becasue you car squats alot doesn't mean that everyone else is a liar. Maybe your carryign a little extra bagage around in you car, I don't know. But you have proven your self to be ignorant, dumb, and allegedly fat. You seem to have alot of friends on this board:gr_jest: Maybe you shoudl come up with some technical reasons why you might be rubbing becasue i am sure with your automotive expertise you can tell us how your zeta was made differently then very other zeta on the face of the planet. :slap:

Considering you don't own a GTO all of your points are null and void. Next.

[Braman'sGTO]

the reason why he is only putting down 354 is because the cats are FUBAR. He put down identical numbers on 2 different dyno's on the same day with bad cats. Other people have had there cars dynoed there and have come out with good numbers, with his mods he should be more arount 380 to 390. Im putting down in the 340's on a stock car. We can argue about Nicks numbers all we want and we wont get any further than we are now, but untill someone makes the exact same mods and dyno's it at the same milage we can't realy call fact or BS. Maybe he has a freak or maby not, I have seen the Dyno sheet at DTP and shown that DTP's dyno numbers can be duplicated at other shops with out intentionaly feeding in BS info. What I am stating with my posts is that the people doing the work on the car at DTP are compitant, nothing more, nothing less.

[BobthePhotoGuy]

the reason why he is only putting down 354 is because the cats are FUBAR. He put down identical numbers on 2 different dyno's on the same day with bad cats. Other people have had there cars dynoed there and have come out with good numbers, with his mods he should be more arount 380 to 390. Im putting down in the 340's on a stock car. We can argue about Nicks numbers all we want and we wont get any further than we are now, but untill someone makes the exact same mods and dyno's it at the same milage we can't realy call fact or BS. Maybe he has a freak or maby not, I have seen the Dyno sheet at DTP and shown that DTP's dyno numbers can be duplicated at other shops with out intentionaly feeding in BS info. What I am stating with my posts is that the people doing the work on the car at DTP are compitant, nothing more, nothing less.

Ummmm, so you think the mods he has are worth 40-50 hp??

That requires a reality check. 380-390hp is even a bit strong with headers and a full tune. His mods would do really well to make 30hp.

IMHO, his cats aren't plugged. When he gets his cam and headers in, I bet he makes ~410whp.

340hp in a stock car is very good. That comes to about a 15% drivetrain loss. The GTO's are are guesstimated at about 17%.

Out of curiosity, you should put the exact same mods on your car as Nick and dyno it. I bet you would be right at about where he is, maybe 3-5hp more.

[Braman'sGTO]

ok so as you see yourself as an expert, the one thing you forgot to put into your little calculation is the simple fact that an engine will not produce the exact same amount of horsepower throughout its life span. Also there is a different drive train loss between A4 and M6. Here is another one to fry your brain, if the LS2 is 400HP and 395tq from the factory why are alot of gto's dynoing with hight tq numbers than HP.

Look dude im not here to argue about anything with anyone, everyones car is different and just because you didnt get the same result someone else did does not meen that his results are bs. I have been tracking HP gains on my car since I picked it up because I was interested in knowing how much im picking up over the course of my entire drive train breaking in. My first dyno run at 500 miles was 323 to the wheel, my latest runs have been in the 340's with between 4700 and 5500 miles. Some of u guys are getting your pantys way to twisted over one persons results, without trying to duplicate them.

now me im going a little bit different rout than what nick went, I dont need more than 400HP at the wheel becaue for road racing its useless, all I need is a CAI, Tune and full exhaust. My money is going into the suspension, tires and brakes because 400+HP and a 0-60 under 4.7 sec is useless if you cant stop, turn and keep your ass on the road.

Guy's chill out, this place is for sharing info and experiance with our Goat's. If you wanna have a "Who has the Biggest Dick" contest we can all get together at a track and see who has the biggest one.

[VR42GTO]

ok so as you see yourself as an expert, the one thing you forgot to put into your little calculation is the simple fact that an engine will not produce the exact same amount of horsepower throughout its life span. Also there is a different drive train loss between A4 and M6. Here is another one to fry your brain, if the LS2 is 400HP and 395tq from the factory why are alot of gto's dynoing with hight tq numbers than HP.

Look dude im not here to argue about anything with anyone, everyones car is different and just because you didnt get the same result someone else did does not meen that his results are bs. I have been tracking HP gains on my car since I picked it up because I was interested in knowing how much im picking up over the course of my entire drive train breaking in. My first dyno run at 500 miles was 323 to the wheel, my latest runs have been in the 340's with between 4700 and 5500 miles. Some of u guys are getting your pantys way to twisted over one persons results, without trying to duplicate them.

now me im going a little bit different rout than what nick went, I dont need more than 400HP at the wheel becaue for road racing its useless, all I need is a CAI, Tune and full exhaust. My money is going into the suspension, tires and brakes because 400+HP and a 0-60 under 4.7 sec is useless if you cant stop, turn and keep your ass on the road.

Guy's chill out, this place is for sharing info and experiance with our Goat's. If you wanna have a "Who has the Biggest Dick" contest we can all get together at a track and see who has the biggest one.


I don't know why you think other people don't have similar mods as Nick, plenty of people have tune+intake and are in the 350-360 range. It's all over the boards, people questioned Nicks #'s because they were so WAY out of the norm.

With all the talk about bad cats, I find it odd Nick hasn't even confirmed they are in fact melted or clogged. And if they are, he doesn't seem to be interested in finding out why they allegedly melted in the 1st place. What good is a set of LT's with high-flow cats gonna do if they melt down again within miles of install???

[Braman'sGTO]

I know its a mute point but im talking 100% identical ( mainly in the Tune), and no were did I say that I did not think his # may be a little high.

I still think 370 could be reached without touching the exhaust, but 399 with out a full exhaust is a little bit of a stretch in my opinion but im far from being a performance expert. Then again we also have to look at milage, I think Nick may be between 20,000 to 25,000 miles were as im only at 5500 and the breakin to gain for that much milage.

As far as Nicks cat's go the story needs some clarification. When I talked to Frank and Brent about it they made it clear that they did not tell nick the cats were melted, they found a code being thrown and checked it finding that the cats were internaly between 2200 to 2300 degrees. This is what the preditor was telling them while they were monitoring it. It does mean that the cats are BREAKING DOWN but not per say Melted or Cloged. Mentioning the High Flow cats, I thaught I remember reading somewere that they are less suseptible to heat damage or able to withstand alot higher temps, but I cant confirm that.

All I can realy do is give you guys another version of the story as it was given to me from the horses mouth(AKA DTP). We all know how that goes.

[BobthePhotoGuy]

I don't know why you think other people don't have similar mods as Nick, plenty of people have tune+intake and are in the 350-360 range. It's all over the boards, people questioned Nicks #'s because they were so WAY out of the norm.

With all the talk about bad cats, I find it odd Nick hasn't even confirmed they are in fact melted or clogged. And if they are, he doesn't seem to be interested in finding out why they allegedly melted in the 1st place. What good is a set of LT's with high-flow cats gonna do if they melt down again within miles of install???

Breaqkin only lasts so long. 5000 miles is commonly figured for the LS1, so I would guess about the same for the LS2. Otherwise we would have 200,000 mile cars running around with double their rated horsepower, with no mods.

I don't know why you are jumping all over me. I simply stated common knowledge facts. First the thermistat is not going to give yu anything for hp. Second, a CAI is only going to give you at MOST 20hp, but is commonly showing <10hp increase. So where is this 40hp comming from?

Break down the mods that Nick has and how much each commonly makes. Then add them to your above average 340whp.

Not flaming, I'm just trying to point out common knowledge.

Bob

[04silverflash]

It seems that Fat Nick is quickly becoming the resident troll!:bubbrub


And i think it is funny how he still has his inflated dyno numbers in his sig. It isn't wise to keep bashing various memebers and to claim that everyones car is rubbing is just stupid. You probably did a bad install, don't go blaming the forum. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul!


hey the last line is from the movie Billy Madison lol lol:gr_jest: :gr_jest:

[JETNITRO]

I don't know why you think other people don't have similar mods as Nick, plenty of people have tune+intake and are in the 350-360 range. It's all over the boards, people questioned Nicks #'s because they were so WAY out of the norm.

With all the talk about bad cats, I find it odd Nick hasn't even confirmed they are in fact melted or clogged. And if they are, he doesn't seem to be interested in finding out why they allegedly melted in the 1st place. What good is a set of LT's with high-flow cats gonna do if they melt down again within miles of install???



Again we have more crap on this forum about fat nick whats up with him?
I say this... in regards to dyno #'s Just Take it to the track babyknowing dyno #'s are very useful when adding different mods to your car and having a starting point That being said numbers can be inflated a little but that doesn't mean your car will outperform someone Else's example: 378 hp to 420 hp Who wins. Ah... its the car with all there different mods correctly matched together and of course a professional Tune ....Thats all ...Peace out:burnout: Happy racing :)

[Braman'sGTO]

Breaqkin only lasts so long. 5000 miles is commonly figured for the LS1, so I would guess about the same for the LS2. Otherwise we would have 200,000 mile cars running around with double their rated horsepower, with no mods.

I don't know why you are jumping all over me. I simply stated common knowledge facts. First the thermistat is not going to give yu anything for hp. Second, a CAI is only going to give you at MOST 20hp, but is commonly showing <10hp increase. So where is this 40hp comming from?

Break down the mods that Nick has and how much each commonly makes. Then add them to your above average 340whp.

Not flaming, I'm just trying to point out common knowledge.

Bob

The whole question on the brake in is why im having my car dynoed at different milages, to see just how much gain there will be up to a certain point. As far as the Tstat goes you do actualy get some HP gain from that, it has been proven many times. Your reducing running temps which will yeald more hp, the real question there is weather or not it can be ACURATLY measured on a chassis dyno, personaly I doubt it cause were talking maby 5 hp at best if the conditions are right. You are right the numbers dont entierly add up to 399, 10hp for the CAI is about average and the preditor stock tune is averaged at 20-25hp gain, a little more for a custome tune but that still puts us in the 370 range. I dont what kind of a gain you can get by removing the muflers, I read a post over a year ago on someone who tried and they said that was only around 3-5hp gain so im not even counting that. The second bigest problem with this descussion is that none has any baseline numbers, so we dont know were nicks car started at. Ill run by DTP Monday and see if I can get some numbers. The big problem with this discussion is we got a little off topic, im still waiting to hear from some of the other people and nick what series tire they are running, that in itself may hold the answer to why this whole thread was started.

[fat nick]

275/40/17 Nitto NT-555R DR.

Dynoed it bonestock. Had 16k miles and put down 340.9whp and 337wtq

The car isn't going to the track until the headers are put on.

[zeagle3]

Just fit 20" Team Dynamic Sabres with Nittos. Had to roll all four fenders and make some wheel well adjustments but they work. Did I make a mistake? ride seems a little firmer but not a problem.

[Braman'sGTO]

Just fit 20" Team Dynamic Sabres with Nittos. Had to roll all four fenders and make some wheel well adjustments but they work. Did I make a mistake? ride seems a little firmer but not a problem.

damn dude that is alot more than I would want to mess with. Are you running 20 series tiers?

[BobthePhotoGuy]

Hehe, the front fenders are rolled from the factory.

[ChrisMcGTO04]

I wish I built bridges cause you sure know how to burn them Nick...

[Ferretts]

Hehe, the front fenders are rolled from the factory.
hahahaha owned!:fawkdance

[zeagle3]

Yes The tires are 20" too. The front fenders were rolled where the lipmstill was in place. Car is 2005 Torrid REd model.

[qwkgoat]

Nick,
A word of advice...this a reputable GTO forum where all GTO owners can congregate and speak of their experiences and assist others with all apsects of their ride...this isn't stangnet where you start your thread by bashing anyone and everyone whoever made a post about their experience with Nitto DRs. Learn to work on your approach...try this "Has anyone else had problems with Nitto DRs?" Versus "Calling them liars." You'll find that anyone will be willing to speak of their experiences and help you solve your problem. Just a little advice.

[fat nick]

Well considering Keith you brought up a week old thread that means nothing now. I cut the fenders yesterday, smoothed them up, primed them, and painted them. So it's good to go now.

[qwkgoat]

Glad to hear man! I look for to seeing you run at Richmond this summer. With your new mods and DRs should be some noticeably lower times. I'll see you there bro! P.S. Did you fine someone local to install your cam at a decent price?

[fat nick]

Glad to hear man! I look for to seeing you run at Richmond this summer. With your new mods and DRs should be some noticeably lower times. I'll see you there bro! P.S. Did you fine someone local to install your cam at a decent price?

Yep, my buddy Devin is going to install it and the LT's for me. I'm going to help as well because I want to learn. All I'm paying him is dinner and probably a 12 pack. So I got to say $25 is a lot cheaper than $1500 :D

[GTO831]

Not a liar, just someone who has proper rear sub frame alignment.
I have friend (GTO831) who street and strip drives on 275 Nittos. No rubbing.
Search posts in suspension section to find out more.
Posts by DMS are a trove of info.
On baseball bat....you can google it to find stuff, but a fender roller is the way to go.
Good rim shop will have one. Bout 25 bucks a side to have rolled.Bat away at you own risk.
Side angle grinder is an option too. Dont forget the primer if you grind.

Nick, any relation to Nicks restaraunt in Yorktown?

That's me and I can say that what Swampgoat says is truth. Have had them on for over 2 months now and absolutely NO rubbing issues.
Tracy

[truckracer]

My '05 GTO M-6 puts down 1000 hp on the SOTP west virginia hillbilly chevette dyno. LOL I think that comes down to around 370 on a dynojet.

After I get my fartgunner spinning mufflers on I bet I jump to 1200HP hillbilly chevette dyno numbers.

Air fuel is taken by uncle emmitt who sits behind the tailpipe tips smelling the exhaust to see if it's rich or lean. He waves the Red hanky if it is too lean and the white one if it is rich.

No hanky waving means AFR is dead on.

By the way he uses a jar of moonshine for odor reference.