Fueling a 1000RWHP GTO...

Ok... I am going to go ahead and use this thread to update my fueling setup as I go with the new setup!

As of now I run a fully External system with -8 feed lines and -6 return lines... all braided. Aeromotive A1000 pump, Aeromotive Rails, Aeromotive FPR.

My newest upgrade for the coming setup just arrived!

96# Flow Matched Low Impedance Injectors and a VersaFueler injector coverter:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/TrakDay/Injectors001.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/TrakDay/Injectors002.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/TrakDay/Injectors003.jpg

Look for updates to occur often in this thread as teh fuel system comes together. I should have my fuel cell middle of next month as well!

Damn, Very nice. Can't wait to see video when it's done.

The A1000 is good to 800 crank HP at 45 psi on a blown motor. But you are going to run a higher psi so you may get away with it. I ran the 11104 on the yellow car at 838 rwhp; the A1000 didn't quite cut it, but I did not use a boostapump.

Jody

Is there a way we can ban Track Day from using exclamation marks in every post? There is no way anyone is that exuberant..

Carry on..

Edit:

Just wanted to ask if you could supply a couple more picures of the fuel system components you are installing.. A top view showing 2 or three injectors and the computer/converter would be great....

Good to see you came around to my way of thinking.....

those High impedance 72's you were talking about would have fallen short of your goals......and jury is still out as to Idle tuning on big High impedance injectors...

Blaze the trail TRAK.......

The A1000 is good to 800 crank HP at 45 psi on a blown motor. But you are going to run a higher psi so you may get away with it. I ran the 11104 on the yellow car at 838 rwhp; the A1000 didn't quite cut it, but I did not use a boostapump.

Jody
I will either be running dual A1000 pumps or a Bosch inline pump and run them into a Y block before sending the fuel to teh rails. That should be plenty sufficient. I was already planning on adding a second pump.

Is there a way we can ban Track Day from using exclamation marks in every post? There is no way anyone is that exuberant..

Carry on..

Edit:

Just wanted to ask if you could supply a couple more picures of the fuel system components you are installing.. A top view showing 2 or three injectors and the computer/converter would be great....
haha... we have been over why I use exclamation points. I type every day most of the day for school, and I get tired of pushing the same keys over and over again. I have 2 styles of typing... 1. being internet typing and 2. being the typing I do to graduate college(I can write papers, believe me!)

I will snap some more photos when I get a chance. Are you just saying you want a closer view of the injectors and the VersaFueler?

Good to see you came around to my way of thinking.....

those High impedance 72's you were talking about would have fallen short of your goals......and jury is still out as to Idle tuning on big High impedance injectors...

Blaze the trail TRAK.......
Ha... I made the decision to scrap the 72# injector idea before I was even ready to order. Ended up thinkin the 85# injectors would be plenty, and then decided why not have room to grow, I am already on my 3rd set of injectors as it is... 1. 42# 2. 60# 3. 96#

Oh well

Wow...that's a lot of cash for a guy that got fired from the Grocery store.

Wow...that's a lot of cash for a guy that got fired from the Grocery store.
Who worked at a grocery store? And I have most certainly never been fired from any job I have ever worked.

i just wish i had half the money your spendin on your gto lol. looks like a damn good system to me, cant wait to see it in action.

Is there a way we can ban Track Day from using exclamation marks in every post? There is no way anyone is that exuberant..

Carry on..

Edit:

Just wanted to ask if you could supply a couple more picures of the fuel system components you are installing.. A top view showing 2 or three injectors and the computer/converter would be great....Yes and a picture of the money Tree. :D

Oh yes and any gardening tips you may have for said tree :turbonaug

Money Press...... :)
Someone finally figured out how I actually do it. I have a money press in my garage and then I take my $20 bills to Wendys and order off the .99cent menu to get my clean money back! haha

Seriously though I know you guys like to get caught up in the m,oney thing, but can we keep this thread about the fueling for this car only. Thanks

I will either be running dual A1000 pumps or a Bosch inline pump and run them into a Y block before sending the fuel to teh rails. That should be plenty sufficient. I was already planning on adding a second pump.


Excellent. I know you know what you're doing, just throwing stuff out is all! :gears:

Jody

This or one of its friends would simplify matters....
http://www.weldonracing.com/newpics/D2033.jpg

This or one of its friends would simplify matters....
http://www.weldonracing.com/newpics/D2033.jpg
Those cost big money and since I already have a single A1000 I dont feel like replacing it all. A second inline pump like a Bosch will more than do the job in a dual setup paired with teh A1000. I just don't want to keep selling off everything I already have.

Those cost big money and since I already have a single A1000 I dont feel like replacing it all. A second inline pump like a Bosch will more than do the job in a dual setup paired with teh A1000. I just don't want to keep selling off everything I already have.


I agree. My buddies 1021 HP twin turbo is fine with a pair of Bosch Porsche turbo pumps; one on all the time and the second under boost.

Jody

I agree. My buddies 1021 HP twin turbo is fine with a pair of Bosch Porsche turbo pumps; one on all the time and the second under boost.

Jody
That is basically exactly what I want to do. I am trying to figure out what I will need so I can get the pump to come on under boost. Any suggestions?

Who worked at a grocery store? And I have most certainly never been fired from any job I have ever worked.

I keep saying you have too much extra money. Can you please give me some!

Maybe something like this: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=22819&parentCategoryId=10767&langId=-1

I would use either a dedicated pressure switch on the intake or maybe a lead off the MAP sensor.

You could use a rpm window switch too.

What's the fuel computer for, will the factory not run the new injectors. Do the injectors require a higher voltage for the valves.

I would use either a dedicated pressure switch on the intake or maybe a lead off the MAP sensor.

You could use a rpm window switch too.

What's the fuel computer for, will the factory not run the new injectors. Do the injectors require a higher voltage for the valves.
LSx engines run high impedance injectors. My 96# injectors are low impedance thats what the converter box is for. Change the signal so I can run low impedance injectors on the stock computer with the help of HPT Pro with a 3bar SD tune!

I am considering the RPM window switch as one of my better options, it will probably be more cost effective than some others I had in mind. But I am also thinking running a pressure switch off the Map Sensor would be quite easy too. Who knows, I will cross that bridge when I get there.

whatever im tired of seeing all your posts on how much hp your going for...
just admit it your car is weak and slow.why not just fab up a few jet engines for the rear and get it over with.:stickpoke


hell of a car,and expense account you have there.hmmmmmmmm yeah so what if im jealous the first step is addmitting it:)
mabey someday you can bring that pos to cali so i can ride in a REAL FAST CAR.
now get to work i wanna see it finished and i want to see the 5 second track slip..we know thats where your headed.lmao:-patriot:

He uses a FAST computer so it has the outputs to run this. A simple Hobbs switch to the relay ground for that pump would work perfect. That's how the KB Boostapump works. Their switch comes on at 3 psi, but I'm sure there's all different boost switches available.

Jody

This or one of its friends would simplify matters....
http://www.weldonracing.com/newpics/D2033.jpg

Beat me to it...

"Weldon rules!"

Ed

That is basically exactly what I want to do. I am trying to figure out what I will need so I can get the pump to come on under boost. Any suggestions?

I will be using a dual relay set up for mine, the second relay will be activated by the KB BAP 3 psi sw.

http://www.productengr.com/images/Product%20photos/Pump%20acc/PE%201050%201.jpg

Those cost big money and since I already have a single A1000 I dont feel like replacing it all. A second inline pump like a Bosch will more than do the job in a dual setup paired with teh A1000. I just don't want to keep selling off everything I already have.

Lol.....Looks like we found a point where even TRAK cries "uncle"...JK:)

I agree with you TRAK, while I like the weldons quality and performance, there are less expensive ways to accomplish our goals:-patriot: and I also will be going the dual pump route, only using the "booster" when demand calls for it....

Hey Trakday, I don't know you from Adam, but last year I went up to Orlando for Chris White's shift light gig and all I heard about at lunch was jokes about your fuel system. If you wouldn't mind posting some pics I'd like to see for myself if it really is a "fire hazard" and "accident waiting to happen".

Yes and a picture of the money Tree. :D

Oh yes and any gardening tips you may have for said tree :turbonaug

That's in pops back yard! LOL

Hey Trakday, I don't know you from Adam, but last year I went up to Orlando for Chris White's shift light gig and all I heard about at lunch was jokes about your fuel system. If you wouldn't mind posting some pics I'd like to see for myself if it really is a "fire hazard" and "accident waiting to happen".

What enlightenment does a post like this bring to the party????

If you have a genuine concern send the guy a PM! Use of the SEARCH button would have delivered what you are asking for. And the whole point of this thread is to evolve into a good "DISCUSSION" on the matter :judge:

guess I am done for the night......stuff like this just aggravates me to no end.

Good night gracie........

Might be a good time for Padre to dig up one of his sermons on "Thou shall not Covet"....Lol

you bastard! lol sorry about last weekend it was crazy busy with family and i couldnt get away.looks sick what are you gonna be doing for tire? im asuming your MT wont hold that power or am i wrong?

Hey Trakday, I don't know you from Adam, but last year I went up to Orlando for Chris White's shift light gig and all I heard about at lunch was jokes about your fuel system. If you wouldn't mind posting some pics I'd like to see for myself if it really is a "fire hazard" and "accident waiting to happen".
Fire hazard... thats funny...it's not.

Well considering my profession I've seen more than my fair share of burned out hulks. Not trying to flame you bud, consider it concern for your continued well being.

Well considering my profession I've seen more than my fair share of burned out hulks. Not trying to flame you bud, consider it concern for your continued well being.
No I understand... and teh fuel system is fine.

Got any pics of how you tapped an external feed from the tank?

haha... we have been over why I use exclamation points. I type every day most of the day for school, and I get tired of pushing the same keys over and over again. I have 2 styles of typing... 1. being internet typing and 2. being the typing I do to graduate college(I can write papers, believe me!)

I will snap some more photos when I get a chance. Are you just saying you want a closer view of the injectors and the VersaFueler?

NO! I am saying you posted the same damm pic three times! What is the Point!

Two ways of typing.. Come on. It make you look like a fool or worse, Piers Anthony... (http://www.hipiers.com/)

There are very few actual effective uses for exclimation points. Your sentences read like a blooming idiot shouting happily over mundane stuff. But here I stop. It is just months of build up escaping. Carry on.

Thanks I thought you were running High impedance injectors.

Also the feed out of the MAP should be easy, I'll look at the schematics if you need me to. We used this on a Mazda to spray water/meth on the intercooler at around 1.6 bar.

The pressure tap in the intake tube would also be easy.

Seriously though I know you guys like to get caught up in the m,oney thing, but can we keep this thread about the fueling for this car only. Thanks
I thought that Money was what keeps fueling the upgrades to your car.? :confused:

Fuel pump: I seem to recall a while back telling you that pump wouldn't cut it...not to rub it in, though. I have had to learn a bunch lately to sort out fueling needs for my mustang project. Blow through is weird...normal low pressure carb stuff, except it's boost referenced so it gets a +12psi or whatever as the boost rises. Anyway I don't want to get in the same position, so I'm going a bit more than probably needed w/ a big 'ole magnafuel.

I agree w/ Jody. You can get a cheap Hobbs-type pressure activated switch. Lift the relay ground and route it through that switch. Just make sure you've got plenty of wire [= large gauge] going back there. I don't recall what you ran.

Also curious about the low rpm operation of the big injectors. That has been an issue for some folks, but given the sophistication of electronics these days, I would hope you could dial in the metering accurately enough. I sure won't have that kind of accuracy in my Mustang...but it's a 40 y/o car. 10mpg and ratty idle = par for the course!

And I like exclamation points too!!! If I were to offer a critique of your writing, it would be for the frequent [and needless] "teh" which is a bit too forced. Many years ago, when the internet was a baby, it was an accident. Now it's "style"...