2008 Gto Is A Go!!!!

[dms]

I just had a discussion with a GM guy high on the totuum pole. He informed me the 2008 GTO is a go. It will be made in Canada, and the contracts have been signed. The way it will look is under big time lock and key. It will be made on the same assembly line as the Camaro and share the same platform.
Not sure if this info is out yet, but thought I would share it will all of you

thanks
mike
dms

[Goat Lover]

cool!

[Enginerd]

Sweet if true. Time will tell.

IBTL :)

[Pontiac Addict]

WTF, I want a one of a kind 2007...J/K

[EngineChauffer]

Dammit, looks like GM will be getting my money either way. I will have to choose between the Camaro and Goat. Whichever one it is, it will share the stable with the one I have now, it isn't going anywhere.

[JohneHoodlum]

That's awesome!!! I betting we'll see it at the 07 Detroit Auto Show.

[2005Goat]

I thought the new Camaro was being made in Australia. Maybe I was reading outdated info.

[Ironmancan]

Here's to 2008 and hoping they get it right:drink: :drink: :drink:

[BlueStreak]

:cool: Thanks for the tip, hope it's right :cool:

[CaNaDiAn GTO]

Canada FTW :wiggle:

[Hawkgfr]

Canada FTW :wiggle:



Now that would be an irony......Made in Canada and you can't buy one...;)

:-patriot:

[DevilYellow]

I thought the new Camaro was being made in Australia. Maybe I was reading outdated info.

The Camaro? Nope. Other Cars? Only if the US Dollar gains strength.

[Phoenix]

I'll belive it when I see it.

[GTOHHH]

Sweet, Oshawa is one of GM's best plants. We should be seeing a vehicle of a decent quality level coming out of there. Hmm... I'm only about 45 minutes from Oshawa right now maybe I'll go "visit" some contacts at that plant.

[jbls1gto]

I just had a discussion with a GM guy high on the totuum pole. He informed me the 2008 GTO is a go. It will be made in Canada, and the contracts have been signed. The way it will look is under big time lock and key. It will be made on the same assembly line as the Camaro and share the same platform.
Not sure if this info is out yet, but thought I would share it will all of you

thanks
mike
dms

if that is true, it won't be an 08. It'd be an 09 at best, but I believe an 2010 would be more likely...if this is even true. Which it's not.

[Desertraptor]

the way i read it was that Holdens are going to have the production say in how things are done. The reason was that Holdens have a proven record of producing a good vehilce on time and under budget.

Not sure if you guys are aware of this or if it's marketed in the US but on my last trip to Adelaide I saw a car carrier with whats' sold here as the Statesman Caprice with Chev badges.

[GTPprix]

I just had a discussion with a GM guy high on the totuum pole. He informed me the 2008 GTO is a go. It will be made in Canada, and the contracts have been signed. The way it will look is under big time lock and key. It will be made on the same assembly line as the Camaro and share the same platform.
Not sure if this info is out yet, but thought I would share it will all of you

thanks
mike
dms

Maybe in an alternate universe :)

[MIGoat]

Not sure if you guys are aware of this or if it's marketed in the US but on my last trip to Adelaide I saw a car carrier with whats' sold here as the Statesman Caprice with Chev badges.

Not headed here. Probably going to the Middle East.

[SunFireMan]

No way we will see it for 2008. Hell look at the Camaro and Challenger. Both are 2009/2010 year models and they were shown in late 2005/early 2006.

[Rome]

Maybe in an alternate universe :)
I want to know what you know...

[OhFoGTO]

That's awesome!!! I betting we'll see it at the 07 Detroit Auto Show.
I hope youre right...maybe even LA in December. Ive been chomping at the bit so long my teeth hurt.:turbonaug

[ruski]

Now that would be an irony......Made in Canada and you can't buy one...;)

:-patriot:


Almost like the Australians can't buy a Pontiac GTO that they make.

[rVOLT]

Sweet if true. Time will tell.

IBTL :)

Yeah its true. I heard this a while back actually, about it being on the same platform as the camaro, and it will also get 30 miles a gallon as well.

I think I heard it being a 2009

[rVOLT]

Sweet, Oshawa is one of GM's best plants. We should be seeing a vehicle of a decent quality level coming out of there. Hmm... I'm only about 45 minutes from Oshawa right now maybe I'll go "visit" some contacts at that plant.

That would be cool. Please do.

[SQWKVFR]

Almost like the Australians can't buy a Pontiac GTO that they make.

But they can buy a Coupe4.... Why would you want a LHD GTO in Aussie land when you can have a Coupe4?

[danrieke]

the way i read it was that Holdens are going to have the production say in how things are done. The reason was that Holdens have a proven record of producing a good vehilce on time and under budget.


Yes, Holden is really good at factory-installed dents, water-based paint, strut rub, headlight misalingment, misaligned rear axles, and second-thought shifters.

Now if we can just get them to stop ripping off us Yanks and build the car to the actual approved specifications this time...

[Dan_E]

Here's to hopib for 09/10!

I want to get the first year again, gotta pay-off the current goat first.

[FST-MVR]

I'll be in line for another, if it looks good. That's AWESOME.

[DEVLYLO]

not bad i guess i can have a real GTO after all

[RASCAL_GTO]

time for my second goat unless i come across a 66'

[MyGoatBites]

The really cool thing about this is when they make 1 trillion new camaros there will be mods galore and they will work on both cars. They will be cheap as hell too. The GTO will finally get some aftermarket love.

[The Black Phantom]

I hope dms is correct! :thumbs: What I do not understand is why some people think its gonna go into production a year later than Bob Lutz and other sources have stated. If the Camaro showcar is any guide, GM already has a chassis and all thats left to do is the small details (plus Goverment certification). If GM can build the Solstice from the ground up in under two years than they can have the new GTO here for the 2008 model year. :judge:

[mizzou1307]

But they can buy a Coupe4.... Why would you want a LHD GTO in Aussie land when you can have a Coupe4?

For the same reason that people on this board buy all the crap to make their goats look like monaros.

[gtoN8]

I just had a discussion with a GM guy high on the totuum pole. He informed me the 2008 GTO is a go. It will be made in Canada, and the contracts have been signed. The way it will look is under big time lock and key. It will be made on the same assembly line as the Camaro and share the same platform.
Not sure if this info is out yet, but thought I would share it will all of you

thanks
mike
dms

Sorry, but this can't be true. In the July edition of GM High-Tech Performance, they list the following facts about the new Camaro:

1. GM has approved the Camaro for the 2010 model year.
2. Camaro will ride on the Zeta platform.
3. Coupe production will begin in early 2009.
4. Convertible production will start in late 2009.
5. The Camaro coupes program code is GMX521.
6. The covertible's program code is GMX511.
7. The Camaro will be built in Australia.
8. A number of key GM performance and manufacturing engineers have been relocated to Melbourne, Australia's Holden facility to develop the Camaro.

These are facts, not talk or rumors. If the GTO will be built by Holden and ride on the Camaro's Zeta platform, then it will be built in Aussie land.

[sappy96]

I thought the Aussie part was a rumor. Or that they were thinking of changing to being built in the US because of the rising costs.

[nikivee]

Sorry, but this can't be true. In the July edition of GM High-Tech Performance, they list the following facts about the new Camaro:

1. GM has approved the Camaro for the 2010 model year.
2. Camaro will ride on the Zeta platform.
3. Coupe production will begin in early 2009.
4. Convertible production will start in late 2009.
5. The Camaro coupes program code is GMX521.
6. The covertible's program code is GMX511.
7. The Camaro will be built in Australia.
8. A number of key GM performance and manufacturing engineers have been relocated to Melbourne, Australia's Holden facility to develop the Camaro.

These are facts, not talk or rumors. If the GTO will be built by Holden and ride on the Camaro's Zeta platform, then it will be built in Aussie land.

LOL! Facts?! Yeah. Here are the facts

1. GM has not OFFICIALLY approved the Camaro, though all indications are that it will be built. Please show me the "Official" GM announcement.

2. Zeta will underpin the Camaro, along with the next gen GTO and a host of other cars from GM. Buick Roadmaster, next gen Impala, etc.

3. Again nothing has been approved. No coupe production dates as of yet.

4. See #3. No convertible officially given the go ahead.

5. correct

6. correct

7. Camaro will most likely be built in Oshawa plant in Canada along with other Zeta cars. Also the Wilmington plant is being considered since it has the capacity to build 200,000 cars a year, not just 30K Solstice/Sky/Opel GT's.

8. True.


Magazines are almost always wrong, remember that.

[gtoN8]

LOL! Facts?! Yeah. Here are the facts

1. GM has not OFFICIALLY approved the Camaro, though all indications are that it will be built. Please show me the "Official" GM announcement.

2. Zeta will underpin the Camaro, along with the next gen GTO and a host of other cars from GM. Buick Roadmaster, next gen Impala, etc.

3. Again nothing has been approved. No coupe production dates as of yet.

4. See #3. No convertible officially given the go ahead.

5. correct

6. correct

7. Camaro will most likely be built in Oshawa plant in Canada along with other Zeta cars. Also the Wilmington plant is being considered since it has the capacity to build 200,000 cars a year, not just 30K Solstice/Sky/Opel GT's.

8. True.


Magazines are almost always wrong, remember that.

Fine, then who the hell knows? Where do you get your information from? So, you are saying GM High-Tech Performance is printing false info they say are facts? Everyone seems to know what is going on, yet no one really does. So why do we even discuss this? I guess we'll just wait and see.

[TriShield]

Next time around (whenever that will be) I just hope it ends up looking as stunning as the GTO Ram Air 6 concept GM showed at Woodward.

If it does I might not trade mine for a Challenger or Camaro after all.

[6litercyclone]

Fine, then who the hell knows? Where do you get your information from? So, you are saying GM High-Tech Performance is printing false info they say are facts? Everyone seems to know what is going on, yet no one really does. So why do we even discuss this? I guess we'll just wait and see.


There are Camaro websites, some of which have some very intelligent , connected people frequenting them. Niki and I both belong to one such site, do some googling. You will find that these sites have much better info (and guesses for that matter) than GMHTP.

One thing that WILL not happen, no way in hell, is the Camaro being built in Aussieland (Where the ^%$# did they come up with that one?). With a target of 100k+ for the CAMARO ALONE! it would be a logistical and transportatioon nightmare to try. As Niki said, the odds are for Oshawa or (my guess) Wilmington for the Camaro and GTO. (Osh 2 isn't scheduled to be "closed" until 2008, I truly expect the Camaro and/or GTO to be in showrooms in 2008 (CY).

[dms]

I have confirmed the GTO will be built in Canada. What is still up in the air is when. Contracts have already been signed, so the process is well on the way

mike
dms

[Sengdemund]

I have onfirmed the GTO will be built in Canada. Wat is still up in the air is when. ncontract have alreadybeen signed, so the process is well on the way

mike
dms

:gr_jest: Mike are you drunk and trying to type again hehe.


-Ed

[QuickSilverTiger]

I am really looking forward to the final product. I am hoping that it is not rushed, and will embody what a GTO is...MEAN, TOUGH, AGILE, STRONG, and FAST!

[nikivee]

Fine, then who the hell knows? Where do you get your information from? So, you are saying GM High-Tech Performance is printing false info they say are facts? Everyone seems to know what is going on, yet no one really does. So why do we even discuss this? I guess we'll just wait and see.

GM Tech magazine is printing speculation with a few bits of truth thrown in that they got from the internet. Everything you posted has been posted on several boards, including this one already.

There are some here and on other boards who are privy to some inside info. I'm privy to some because of a friend who works at GM, but I also belong to other boards where there are well connected individuals who give out tidbits of information once in awhile to keep things interesting.

Here is something for you to ponder. Oshawa 1 is currently running tests on the Zeta GMX511 and GMX521 platforms. GMX551 is a Chevy Sedan most likely the Zeta base Impala.

Oshawa 1 is doing load testing on the GMX511 and Hatch testing on the gmx521
These test are an indication approval looks near.

[lostgoat]

Oshawa 1 is doing load testing on the GMX511 and Hatch testing on the gmx521
These test are an indication approval looks near.

Hatch testing? Whats that? I thought the next gen camaro was not a hatch back, or did i miss something at the LA Car show ?

[DevilYellow]

Everyone seems to know what is going on, yet no one really does. So why do we even discuss this? I guess we'll just wait and see.

Because its a soap opera and some people like drama. If you talk to people in different divisions of GM (Holden, Powertrain, Marketing, Plant workers) you would most likely get a different story at each level. Until politics play out and press release is finalized I take everything with a grain of salt.

[JoeyD]

Until politics play out and press release is finalized I take everything with a grain of salt.

Finally, someone with the correct posture on this topic.

[dms]

Because its a soap opera and some people like drama. If you talk to people in different divisions of GM (Holden, Powertrain, Marketing, Plant workers) you would most likely get a different story at each level. Until politics play out and press release is finalized I take everything with a grain of salt.


You are correct. But all I can tell you is contracts have been signed. Some guys mentioned the Aussie platform makes it a Au. built vehicle. But keep in mind, GM is a world manufacturer, and platforms are shared all over.Because it is a Aussie platform, does not mean that platform cannot be made in Canada.

Al so with the severe decline of the U.S. dollar, with little chance of any major improvement over the next 2-3 years, and a declining manufacturing volume, I think what we are going to see is 2 plants merging into 1 in Canada, and that is where the Camaro and GTO are going to be made. One thing is ALMOST for certain, is that the GTO will be made!. And for me, that makes me happy. This topic will keep us all excited well past the first picture.

mike
dms

[wildman805]

Hell yeah.......good news and hope to see some prototype pics of the car. I was hoping for a Trans Am but heard there are disputes about the name being used in Canada since GM closed the plant for that car. Also glad to see a GTO being made and hope it is quicker than the GTO we have now and has the looks.

[simpleGTO]

Lets hope they solve the strut rub and wheel hop on whatever platform they use.

[Pez_Candy]

Lets hope they solve the strut rub and wheel hop on whatever platform they use.


I'm more worried about them using the new Impala engine that can run 4 or 8 cylinders depending on your driving.. I just don't trust that, and GM seems to think it is the engine of the future...

[dms]

I'm more worried about them using the new Impala engine that can run 4 or 8 cylinders depending on your driving.. I just don't trust that, and GM seems to think it is the engine of the future...



Gm has been using this technology for years and it has been flawless. I defy you to roadtest one and tell me if you can feel the modulation. You cannot. Out of all the things to worry about, this is not one of them

mike
dms

[DevilYellow]

Gm has been using this technology for years and it has been flawless. I defy you to roadtest one and tell me if you can feel the modulation. You cannot. Out of all the things to worry about, this is not one of them

mike
dms

As long as it can be turned off, the oil passages blocked, the solenoids removed, and the cam exchanged ;)

Also I agree with your last post too in response to my post.

[GOATHEAD55]

This is good news.. I would really like to see a prototype pict... :gears: :gears:

[wango-z-tango]

Wow, I hope for a number of reasons that Oshawa ends up building Zeta platformed cars. Get to sell even more widgets there. And if they do build there, might be able to get an '09, ahem, company car ... I'm rooting for you GM, go forth and multiply (horsepower).

[blushirt35]

lets hope the gto is faster than the mustangs and same price .

[8urvette]

Damm i'm gonna be flat broke. Because if they come out w/ the goat and camaro the same yr i'm gonna have to get one. And also the new challenger my buddy owns a dealership and is ordering 2 when he orders his :) at dealer cost :)

[simpleGTO]

Damm i'm gonna be flat broke. Because if they come out w/ the goat and camaro the same yr i'm gonna have to get one. And also the new challenger my buddy owns a dealership and is ordering 2 when he orders his :) at dealer cost :)
You only live one time so go for it.
simple

[zero]

If they base a new GTO on what rightly belongs to firebird.. i'll make sure to drive by the lot and huck golf balls at it every day.

[BowdawG]

As long as it can be turned off, the oil passages blocked, the solenoids removed, and the cam exchanged ;)


My buddy with an '07 Avalanche (awesome looking btw, unlike the new Silverado) says you don't feel it as much as hear the engine / exhaust change tone. I have to go by his word as I have yet to actually ride in one when it kicks in...

[Mr. Furley]

So, if its built in Canada eh, is it still an Import?

[IrnZeppelin]

Thank you zero, that spot is firebird im sorry. You cant kill brothers like that, or maybe they can because the firebird will come back as a bastard son and be able to conquer all. All kidding aside it should be a firebird and not a gto, to say the least id rather have a firebird because i allready have a gto and it gives those losers something to taunt me with "look they brought back that failure again", i hope someone makes a firebird body kit emblems and all for the camaro, id hit it

[11 Bravo]

If they base a new GTO on what rightly belongs to firebird.. i'll make sure to drive by the lot and huck golf balls at it every day.

That's what I don't understand. Say the rumor is true, and that the GTO will be built at the same place and on the same platform at the camaro. Why would Pontiac make it a GTO and not a firebird? Don't get me wrong, I love all GTO's, and if the '08 is bad ass I will buy one. But man, nothing identifies "muscle" with Pontiac more than the Trans Am with most of the population.

[Tails]

How about calling it a Fire Goat? If it goes quick enough and fast enough they can call it whatever they want.

:drink::drink:

[cjk]

I am really looking forward to the final product. I am hoping that it is not rushed, and will embody what a GTO is...MEAN, TOUGH, AGILE, STRONG, and FAST!


I wouldn't call our GTOs nor any GTO that's ever been built "agile".

[OrangeCrushM6]

GTBird! :)

[Loubo]

I just had a discussion with a GM guy high on the totuum pole. He informed me the 2008 GTO is a go. It will be made in Canada, and the contracts have been signed. The way it will look is under big time lock and key. It will be made on the same assembly line as the Camaro and share the same platform.
Not sure if this info is out yet, but thought I would share it will all of you

thanks
mike
dms
Interesting but . . . . the Camaro is being built in Australia not Canada.

[digitalgod]

Some things to consider. When the F-body was cancelled and the plant closed part of the deal with the Canadian Auto Workers Union was that if a car was built in the next 20 years with the Camaro name it would be built in Toronto area. This is one of the reasons we were told the Camaro was dead for the forseeable future.

GM has also said they won't build the Camaro unless they can sell 100,000 of them. Since Holdens complete manufacturing capability is around 30,000 there is no way you would think the Camaro will be built in Australia.

However, Both sites will be building Zeta platforms and GM is rumored to be considering selling the Camaro in Australia in which case we could see both rumors being true. U.S. Camaros built in Canada and Australian Camaros built in Australia.

Just something to think about.

[Wipeout]

Interesting but . . . . the Camaro is being built in Australia not Canada.

Yeah, rethink that. Its already been said thru GM Holden engineered, built in NA.

[dms]

Interesting but . . . . the Camaro is being built in Australia not Canada.


Being built on the Aussie platform but being built in Canada

mike
dms

[bonequark]

I wouldn't call our GTOs nor any GTO that's ever been built "agile". :bs:

Tell that to the M3 that fishtailed out behind me at 78mph on a highwat exit sweeper, Mr. Authority!

The fact is that these cars have very high limits and few drivers will ever explore how deep and how quickly transitioned into turns this beast can acheive. Most everyday drivers will never explore it since they fear running into hard things that yield pain. But the performance is there.

[ROKS ROKET]

I don't know if I should be telling you guys this, but I heard from a very good source. My wife's friend is friends with this guy who knows a guy that used to work at a car parts store and someone told him that you can choose what ever color Camaro or GTO they offer at NO additional cost. Woohoo, Great news!!! :eek2:

ROK

[Tails]

:bs:

Tell that to the M3 that fishtailed out behind me at 78mph on a highwat exit sweeper, Mr. Authority!

The fact is that these cars have very high limits and few drivers will ever explore how deep and how quickly transitioned into turns this beast can acheive. Most everyday drivers will never explore it since they fear running into hard things that yield pain. But the performance is there.
Yep, I can confirm as I was kicking M3 butt all over the local race track. Couldn't kick Porsche butt though.

:drink::drink:

[06LS2GTO]

I wouldn't call our GTOs nor any GTO that's ever been built "agile".

It's no Porsche, but seems fairly agile to me and you can make it very agile for a few bucks.

[why2kmax]

they should call it Goatbird eh?

[bonequark]

It's no Porsche, but seems fairly agile to me and you can make it very agile for a few bucks.

A Manager I used to work for and who I still p0lay golf with bought a Boxster last year. He is not really in love with the car because after having come from luxurious Audis and others, it is tight and cramped, with little room for anything, including golf clubs.

The Boxster? It is quick (not really fast per se) and very agile on tight switchbacks. It will gain on me in the twisties and put some distance on the goat. However, (and unfortunately for the Boxster and the owner's ego), there are always enough straighter sections to permit the superior power of the GTO to stay with it and even pass it if the straightaway is long enough. Once ahead of the Boxster, it has no chance of passing the goat on normal real-world roads.

I have no doubt on a road course this situation would be different as Tails has already confirmed; however, out here in the real world I have never arrived back at his place looking at his taillights. It's a fun challenge.

[mcm]

$5 says it looks goofy as shit with all sorts of scoops and crap with an over the top attempt at retro styling. Sigh. Current GTO is hot.

[Cajun Goat]

:-patriot: Yes!

[RobertHammen]

That's what I don't understand. Say the rumor is true, and that the GTO will be built at the same place and on the same platform at the camaro. Why would Pontiac make it a GTO and not a firebird? Don't get me wrong, I love all GTO's, and if the '08 is bad ass I will buy one. But man, nothing identifies "muscle" with Pontiac more than the Trans Am with most of the population.

The next GTO, if there is one, will be based on the same PLATFORM as the Camaro. It will NOT be the SAME CAR with a different nose/tail, like the '93-'02 F-body's were - it will most likely be larger with a real back seat for adults. For example, the Cobalt and HHR are on the same platform, but are different vehicles. Ditto the Saab 9-3/Malibu/G6/Aura. Also the Trailblazer/Envoy/Rainier/9-7/SSR.

Pontiac's not about the Trans Am, Firechicken, et. al. anymore. GTO is an even older name than Firebird (though it didn't have 35 years of continuous production), and it doesn't carry the 70's-80's baggage that the Firebird and Trans Am names do...

[RobertHammen]

$5 says it looks goofy as shit with all sorts of scoops and crap with an over the top attempt at retro styling. Sigh. Current GTO is hot.

I hope it's not a "Challenger II" completely retro vehicle. One of the reasons why I like the Camaro Concept is because they did take heritage styling cues, but applied them to a modern, angular, stealth-fighter-like design. The car is even more badass in person than it is in pictures (I was kind of "I don't know" when I first saw it, but seeing it at NAIAS last January made me a convert. My wife wants one badly (it would be her third Camaro and her 4th muscle car - also had a 'cuda in the day)...

Tell me... would you rather have something like the Woodward car (see pic up in banner or

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2004-Pontiac-GTO-Ram-Air-6.htm

or a 4-adult-sized version of this:
http://www.hammen.net/GTONats1/images/IMG_0548.jpg
http://www.hammen.net/GTONats1/images/IMG_0549.jpg

[RobertHammen]

Some things to consider. When the F-body was cancelled and the plant closed part of the deal with the Canadian Auto Workers Union was that if a car was built in the next 20 years with the Camaro name it would be built in Toronto area.

Well, not quite exactly right. When GM moved Camaro production to the St. Therese, Quebec site, they received something like $17 million in exchange for exclusivity - if there was a Camaro, it would be built there, as long as the plant was still standing. This is one of the reasons why they tore down the plant ASAP after production ended.


GM has also said they won't build the Camaro unless they can sell 100,000 of them. Since Holdens complete manufacturing capability is around 30,000 there is no way you would think the Camaro will be built in Australia.

Actually, I believe Holden's production capacity is around 140,000, not 30,000.


However, Both sites will be building Zeta platforms and GM is rumored to be considering selling the Camaro in Australia in which case we could see both rumors being true. U.S. Camaros built in Canada and Australian Camaros built in Australia.

It's not public knowledge yet if the Aussie Zeta platform will be the same as the North-American built Zeta (the basic body structure of the Aussie cars needs to be a lot stiffer due to environmental reasons). So, this may not be possible. Factor in Holden's export market to China and the Middle East, and coupe production may not turn there. If there is to be a next-gen Monaro, and/or if the Camaro is to be sold in Oz, more likely than not it will be built in North America and shipped to Oz... but all bets are off at this point, since nothing is public.

[IreallyWantAgoat]

That's awesome!!! I betting we'll see it at the 07 Detroit Auto Show.

then ill be at the detroit autoshow if it is, i love the detroit autoshow

[wango-z-tango]

Two sets of tooling can cost only ~25% more than one set of tooling, so to do Zeta in an existing infrastructure like Oshawa, as well as Oz, is very viable. You're talking billions on development, so to spend $300M to take a winner platform to a new continent and adapt an existing plant, is a good business case for GM. Pontiac is becoming Holden USA according to reliable sources, and just like Dr. Z's K-cars of yore, they will be able to do sedans, coupes, and a roadster with minimal re-jigging.

Good for you, GM ! The turnaround is underway. You recognize a world-class asset in Holden's RWD expertise. I think it's time to buy GM stock.

WzT

[onyx_z71]

Two sets of tooling can cost only ~25% more than one set of tooling

WzT

Two sets of tooling costs 90% more than one. The 10% savings on the 2nd accounts only for the design. Usually only extremely high volume vehicles get double tooled (over 600,000/year), and that's even becoming rare anymore. Also, if the 2nd set of tools are run in another location, there would need to be a 2nd set of check gauges made too.

[JohneHoodlum]

I think it's time to buy GM stock.


I wish I bought some a few months ago when it was around $18. It's at $32 today. :banghead:

I think the ship has finally turned away from the iceberg. They definitely have some great products coming down the line. :-patriot:

[teejay]

then ill be at the detroit autoshow if it is, i love the detroit autoshow

Why are you responding to a month-old post?

[GOATHEAD55]

http://drive.com.au/Editorial/PrintArticle.aspx?id =18801

[Fastmofo]

Yes, Holden is really good at factory-installed dents, water-based paint, strut rub, headlight misalingment, misaligned rear axles, and second-thought shifters.

Now if we can just get them to stop ripping off us Yanks and build the car to the actual approved specifications this time...:D :gr_jest:

[itsme4g63]

http://drive.com.au/Editorial/PrintArticle.aspx?id =18801


so we wont be getting it as a 08 model then I take it.

[3timegoatowner]

so we wont be getting it as a 08 model then I take it.



I think its a no go. I'll believe it when I see it and I don't see GM taking more losses on the same car.