Drag Wheels

[PFRgoat]

where and what kinds of wheels will fit on the gto want 15x9 on the rear and 15xsomethins on the front (just for drag racing use and some street) tired of burning up 17" tires at the track :burnout:

[DAVE@RACEWARE]

Bogart Racing Wheels is your answer. We have sold a couple of sets so far and have some on order. Check out our web site to see all the styles they offer *EDITED BY DY - http://www.bogartracingwheels.com/ *

[jed00a]

Bogart Racing Wheels is your answer. We have sold a couple of sets so far and have some on order. Check out our web site to see all the styles they offer *EDITED BY DY - http://www.bogartracingwheels.com/ *


what are the biggest wheel size that fits on the gto? can i fit 15x15 wheels?

[EDC]

what are the biggest wheel size that fits on the gto? can i fit 15x15 wheels?


The 10's won't fit so I doubt the 15's will... Well, until a narrowed solid rear and some tubs are added...

Ed

[PadreGTO]

The 10's won't fit so I doubt the 15's will... Well, until a narrowed solid rear and some tubs are added...
Ed, when do we get to see pics of yours? *hint hint* ;)

Padre

[EDC]

Ed, when do we get to see pics of yours? *hint hint* ;)

Padre

I know, I know...

Have to take care of the "Honey Do" list before I can work on the car... ;)

Ed

[steve10]

Nice to find a GTO specific site, I recently saw a post made by the admin. that brought my attention to this site. Hopefully, he doesn't mind this post as certainly I'm not looking to advertise for free on here...

Bogart wheels will be the choice you want to consider.

We setup the specs and worked with prototypes to come up with the best option. We completed them at the beginning of 04. We set them up a bit differently what ED ordered as tucking them properly is important, the fronts as well as the rears needed a bit different approach then a standard setup.

We did a recent interesting setup that fits some large tires on the rear as shown on Brent Rockey's car.

You can view how some of them look in our Bogart gallery. The GTO car pictures are shown near the bottom of the page.

EDITED BY DY - NO NON-SPONSOR ADVERTISING

Steve
Pres.

[TEK GTO]

I'm going to be getting a pair of the 15x7 wheels shipped here from Austrailia, just standard steel wheels and they're cheap. Perfect for a 235 MT drag radial, and they won't break the bank:D

[Playdough]

What is the width of the rims and the size of the tire that is on Rockey's car? Those meats look huge in those pics.

[PadreGTO]

http://www.sjmmanufacturing.homestead.com/files/BM R.jpg

This is apparently BMR's monster. Looks sweet. As I recall, they did some modifications in the rear to make them fit (just checked their site, and indeed they modded the wheel tub). But I'd love to have some fat tires like that out back.

I'd also like to have some black anodized rims like this one:
http://www.sjmmanufacturing.homestead.com/files/Ja mes.jpg

Padre

Edit: took out pics, way too large, just click.

[EDC]

Nice to find a GTO specific site, I recently saw a post made by the admin. that brought my attention to this site. Hopefully, he doesn't mind this post as certainly I'm not looking to advertise for free on here...


Since Jon editted Raceware's post, I'm sure yours will be also.
;)


Bogart wheels will be the choice you want to consider.

We setup the specs and worked with prototypes to come up with the best option. We completed them at the beginning of 04. We set them up a bit differently what ED ordered as tucking them properly is important, the fronts as well as the rears needed a bit different approach then a standard setup.


Well, I'm pretty damned sure you don't know what was ordered for my car, so you really can't say they are not proper. I know what I wanted and so did Ricky and Dave throughout this process.

The particular wheels for this project were designed by Dave at Raceware and Ricky at Bogart, to fit the new GTO specifically, as well as provide the correct dimensions and criteria which I wanted from the wheels. These are custom to the application and are "not" the standard set up as you have alluded to. Your comments are a bit presumptuous as well as being totally incorrect.

As I mentioned in other threads, if you want the correct wheels for the new GTO, give Raceware or Bogart a call. Their efforts and expertise for my project car were worth the both the time and money spent.

Ed

[DevilYellow]

Since Jon editted Raceware's post, I'm sure yours will be also.
;)



You are physic or something.

I don’t mind showing pictures of the wheels/cars..BMR's looks great! But don’t come on here with your first post trying to push your own company. Especially without talking to the Admin first.... on a board that is sponsor based like ours I find that action in poor taste.

But hey, no harm no foul really.

Steve shoot me an email - devilyellow@ls1gto.com

Thanks!

[steve10]

ED,

I don't know why you are so upset, though you may have your reasons. I recall speaking with you back in January 04...also as you indicated on previous post stating how we were working on the new designs....what dave may suggest as being new, is NOT, history is from our work. The Bogart Company is a great company to work with and I personally am proud to be part of the team. Ricky’s feedback is a direct result of our efforts.

Since the discontinuing of F-bodies, we were excited with the GTO comeback as many aftermarket manufactures were. Unfortunately GTO sales have been soft.

We work very closely with Bogart designing rims for specific applications...we specifically work on new programs and new designs. One can order any combination they like if you don't like what you see (or if you are unsure, suggestions can be made). Custom applications can be performed at any point, design changes as seen with BMR's car is a continued effort.

You ordered 3.5's with a 2.5 bs for your fronts for example, this is not what we have come to spec as being the best option...it will work, though not what we chose as best fit...they do and will not tuck as well as what we worked out in January of this year. Once again, nothing wrong with what you chose, just not what we spec'd for GTO's. We worked specifically with prototypes to see what worked best.

We stand 100% behind our products and our work...I was not hear to push our organization or advertising for free...my post was to show pictures of the GTO setups possibly why we our posting is not edited as racewares post.

We provided Bogart with a specific website for their wheels. This was so their customers can see the rims ON cars. Many times, seeing a rim alone doesn't give the customer a clear idea on what rim choice to make. Being that there are so many choice to make, sometimes it can be confusing.

Congratulations on your choice of rim.

Steve
Pres.

[steve10]

You are physic or something.

I don’t mind showing pictures of the wheels/cars..BMR's looks great! But don’t come on here with your first post trying to push your own company. Especially without talking to the Admin first.... on a board that is sponsor based like ours I find that action in poor taste.

But hey, no harm no foul really.

Steve shoot me an email - devilyellow@ls1gto.com

Thanks!

Call me at 412 508 0634, I prefer to discuss this via phone at this point as my post from the beginning was not the intent to push free advertising...company identity user name was not chosen for that specific reason. I see my post has been edited thus you may have felt otherwise.

Steve
President
SJM Mfg, Inc.
Bogart wholesale/distribution divison
sjmmanufacturing@verizon.net

[EDC]

ED,

I don't know why you are so upset, though you may have your reasons. I recall speaking with you back in January 04...also as you indicated on previous post stating how we were working on the new designs....what dave may suggest as being new, is NOT, history is from our work. The Bogart Company is a great company to work with and I personally am proud to be part of the team. Ricky’s feedback is a direct result of our efforts.


Steve,

I guess your comments about "proper fitment" is what got me upset. I know what I needed and they fit exactly the way they need to. Dave and Ricky did exactly what was required for "me"...

I do remember speaking to you about Bogart wheels because a mutual Mustang customer of ours (Paul Riva) recommended you. Paul was happy with his choices and your service and that was the reason I contacted you. Once this project grew, I found my particular demands required me to contact a wheel company directly to get me what I wanted.

Because of the quality, and my previous relationship with Bogart wheels, I was very interested in staying with this line of wheels for the GTO project. We use the Bogart RT wheels on our NMRA Championship Pure Street Mustang as well as ou new project 93 Cobra Pure Streeter for 2005. I very much wanted to utilize their product line on my own car since we are very happy with the line.

Dave and Ricky had to work around a few "issues" with this car and I required "special" treatment. I had other chassis pieces that were being working on and couldn't use a "normal" wheel. What I chose for my GTO was based on these other chassis components that are in development, and not for their fitment to the OEM parts.

That's why I referred the LS1GTO.com forum users to Bogart and Raceware. They gave me what I wanted and needed, not just the same old, same old from a catalog. I felt these guys would do the same for them.

Ed

[steve10]

I'm not certain as to what you were referring to as a "same old same old from a catalog". We certainly are not just a reseller selling Bogart rims...Our expertise and background may gave you considerations that may have been overlooked.

My personal background lies in the field of Mechanical Engineering. We work on VERY specific products being wheels and specifically engineered items, some sold through us, some sold exclusively through others...The vendors you see to the left are for the most part very knowledgeable and from the ones I've spoke to are great bunch of guys. Many of them are the reason why there have been new and exciting products available to you guys. Vendors selling an abundance of items have the benefit to a customer as a good "one stop shop" where many needs can be met. What some may lack is product depth knowledge. What you received was a cookie cut standard built set of rims.

Regarding the GTO, a benefit of how caliper overhang relates to the GTO is a definite plus and makes some of the normal challenges of newer aftermarket cars trivial. What becomes an issue is how the rim sits with the GTO.

I don't think you understand our working relationship...we are NOT just a resellers as others; we specifically work with prototype designs working with constant feedback regarding changes necessary making necessary recommendations.

Any vendor can ask for a specific build, if that is what the customer wants...WE are referred to by Bogart when there are specific issues that need attention when it comes to F-body as well as GTO demands.

If you call Bogart directly and ask for rims, they typically will not know every spec (nor am I stating do I). My specialty area lies with GM needs. Specific needs are addressed. If they aren't addressed, you may receive something that didn't work out as you had thought since you were not specific enough or had experience with what you were looking for.

I have seen many times a vendor calling in an order to specs they or their customer requested and the rim not set correctly or built optimally. This is not the fault of Bogart.

You received a standard built 3.5 rim. A standard rim in 3.5 inches consists of no special spacing. They are available in 1.75 or 2.5 inches. This choice that was made had no special considerations to the car needs. This is not the fault of the vendor or you, I can presume this is not your area of expertise. If the vendor have only ordered rims and not had an integral part of what is needed, you/they may not know what works best, but only what they think will work.

We SET the standards as to what is being used and work with specific applications...Bogart manufactures them to specs and many times can make recommendations to customers based on our feedback. Can any vendor call in and change specs...sure they can, not a problem as they can be built to their specific vendor/customers requests. This is what was done in your case.

We continually work daily hand in hand with Ricky and Rich. I'm not certain as to what specifically you would have done different to your suspension but I can say with fair amount certainty, we would have used a different setup unless YOU preferred the rims to tuck less.

There are a variety of ways to do things...there is no right or wrong, some folks like rims to tuck more then others, as long as it fits and the customer is satisfied with the results is all that is important. I find that most of the clients want rims to tuck as much as possible especially the fronts since they are skinnies. Unless you changed completely your front end with aftermarket parts not closely resembling your stock setup, then I could see a possible change, though still highly unlikely. Your rims may be a bit further out then a stock setup. Once again, who cares, as long as you’re happy that is most important.

Once again, not that yours is incorrect, the GTO has issues with what we feel correctly tucking rims in both the front and rear. This is due to the geometry of the car and position of the rotors. I see absolutely no interference issues that could possibly arise from moving the rim inward more...as long as you like what you received is all that matters, I would have suggested differently from experience.

I single handed headed up both F-body and GTO builds and am EXTREMLY familiar with both build designs. Are there variations, sure there are...

We are working on a new idea that hopefully will be available shortly to GM owners.

I feel uncomfortable posting further as this post has gone far from what my initial intent was…pointing folks into the direction of how we set GTO Bogart rims and supplying pictures of them. Selling rims is not a main concern.

Many people can attest we have changed their minds regarding rim purchases since listening to what their needs were…we felt that the products we can provide were not in their best interest.

Making a dollar shouldn’t outweigh customers wants/needs…I rather have a customer state that he didn’t purchase something from us due to their recommendations instead of stating they were displeased with our products. We are concerned with proper fitment of setups built to fit the car as well as possible. We also want to be certain that our vendors we work with sell what we feel is correct designed parts for customers. If a person chooses to purchase rims through an independent vendor that is a choice they have.

If anyone would like to discuss this further, feel free to call me directly. My initial interests were to help, not create issues. As mentioned this will be my last post so that any initial accusations of me selling something on here without being a paying advertiser will not happen again.

Steve
Pres.
sjmmanufacturing.homestead.com

[DevilYellow]

Both Steve and Ed need to calm down a little.

Steve, I do not mind that you post... however you dont have to post your tech info along with the fact that you are from a certain shop. Why should you be able to post your abilities and knowledge right next to your company contact information? Is this fair for the supporting vendors, most of whom have supported our community since day one? Your intentions may not be to profit over another company but it is how it looks.

I consider it a courtesy for a business to talk to the Admin of a board about posting their information.