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RobertHammen
08-16-2006, 03:32 PM
Looked for the original article on http://www.goauto.com.au but couldn't find it.

From http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/08/16/holden-adamant-ve-commodore-should-come-to-us-as-grand-prix/

"Denny Mooney, chairman of GM's Australian subsidiary Holden, is adamant that the 2007 VE Commodore SS and SS V sedans should come to the United States as the next Pontiac Grand Prix. Mooney made comments about the idea in July, and has again reiterated them in the latest issue of GoAuto e-news. "So the reality is that if this car went over there it would do well, he said. "A rear-wheel drive, performance sedan at an affordable price? It doesn't exist in the US." He admitted the closest product currently on the market is the Chrysler 300C or the Dodge Charger. Mooney says that unlike the failed Pontiac GTO — which was targeting a niche segment with certain expectations — the sedan market is both larger and easier to target. He said demand for such a sedan is "20 times bigger than the coupe market.""

The current Grand Prix sells anywhere from 85,000-110,000 cars/year. Holden can maybe make 140,000 cars/year (unless they bring back their third shift, hired when the GTO program was put into place). How would you replace one with the other, unless you plan to move the Grand Prix upmarket and let the G6 take some of those sales (kind of like what GM is doing with the next Malibu, hoping it takes up some of the sales slack from the Impala, which is moving upmarket when it goes RWD in 2009/2010)? The alternative is to build them somewhere in North America, but porting VE straight over was deemed as "too expensive" and was why "Zeta" was killed... plus, everything associated with "Zeta" is Chevy (Camaro/Impala), and Pontiac and Buick aren't mentioned.

Hmmm...




auzzie
08-16-2006, 08:18 PM
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/ 68EC5E3C7543C6A3CA2571CB001111D7

Heres the article on goauto. its kind of attached to the wagon/ute article. Some verry interesting stuff in this article. The one on export statesmans to Russia and europe is rather than china is also interesting.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/ 34894999ABABDB40CA2571CC000CB5A4

especially since there have been reports of a special streatch statesman with bigger rear seats especially for China. Denny Mooney was suposed overheard to have said at one of the test drives that he "would like to go relax in the back of one of the china models" to someone else at holden.

DevilYellow
08-17-2006, 03:31 AM
"would like to go relax in the back of one of the china models"

The Chinese models are plush, I drove a Royaum. It just lacks balls. What I wouldnt do for one of the few HSV Granges that were sold as buicks in China :)

RobertHammen
08-17-2006, 06:17 AM
The Chinese models are plush, I drove a Royaum. It just lacks balls.

That get the 2.8L or 3.6L "High Feature" V6, or an LS1?

What I wouldnt do for one of the few HSV Granges that were sold as buicks in China :)

LHD? Did they export them anywhere else (i.e. GMME)?

Kenny
08-17-2006, 03:17 PM
LHD? Did they export them anywhere else (i.e. GMME)?

Don't know whether they still do, but the WH model Grange was sold as the Caprice SS in the Middle East. See press release from 2004:

FOR RELEASE: 2004-07-12

CONTACTS

Holden Caprice Is Saudi Arabia's Car Of The Year



Chevrolet Caprice Royale

Holden's flagship Caprice long wheelbase luxury sedan is now Saudi Arabia's Car Of The Year.

Leading regional motoring publication Saudi Auto bestowed the honor on the Chevrolet Caprice Royale, the highest of Holden's four long wheelbase variants prepared for the Middle East market.

The award comes as Caprice continues to hold commanding leadership in the Australian-made luxury market and achieves record sales in the Middle East region.

Saudi Auto Publisher and Editor-in-Chief, Bakur Azher, said the award was further recognition of Caprice's special place in the history of the Gulf region.

"This is a car with more than four decades of tradition in the Middle East, yet it refuses to age. It appears as young and energetic as ever," he said.

"This fact is supported by the public's continued love of Chevrolet and its growing affair with the Caprice Royale in particular."

Saudi Auto cited the combination of power, sophisticated looks, spaciousness, advanced body structure, safety technology and value for money among attributes that contributed to the award.

Caprice continues to have a huge following in the Middle East, ever since the first model of the class appeared almost 40 years ago. Holden assumed responsibility for providing vehicles for General Motors under the Chevrolet brand to the Middle East in 1997 and introduced the Australian-made Caprice in 1999.

The current Holden-supplied Chevrolet range includes the Lumina LS, Lumina S, Lumina SS and Lumina LTZ based on Australia's top selling car, the Holden Commodore. It also provides Caprice in four versions - the LS, LTZ, SS and Royale - and Lumina Coupe S and SS based on Holden Monaro.

The Middle East is Holden's largest export destination, with 22,357 vehicles sent last year to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Lebanon, Qatar and Syria. Saudi Arabia was by far the largest single destination with 11,908 vehicles sold.

Holden last year achieved its second highest export sales on record, with 36,069 second only to 1973. The company is on track to break that record in 2004.











CONTACT(S):
Jason Laird, Holden Corporate Affairs
Tel: 03 9647 5278 or 0439 998523
jason.laird@gm.com

DevilYellow
08-17-2006, 07:23 PM
That get the 2.8L or 3.6L "High Feature" V6, or an LS1?

LHD? Did they export them anywhere else (i.e. GMME)?

2.8v6 ... I think I could pedal a bike faster. It did have "paddle" shift ... fancy buttons for shifting. That did not help tho, it did want to hold a high RPM.

Yea, the China cars are LHD. I dont even know if they did go thru and build them for production. They had a V8 supercar race in Shanghi (sp) and had all the holden's wear buick logos all over the place. http://www.ls1gto.com/media/artwork/Jan06_PHR.pdf

auzzie
08-17-2006, 08:37 PM
the current china models are just a statesman(streached commadore with the good bits). but instead of a v8 they chuck a six or maybe even a four banger in there ... lol :bootyshak usually. anyway but there was talk of a super statesman. Here is the article:
http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/1964262.aspx