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Old 11-02-2009, 10:01 AM   #1
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Can't get rid of the Cat Codes

Yes, I know, tune them out. Here is the problem, its been tuned by two different tuners and it always comes back with the CEL within 100 miles. 420 & 430 I think? Is it a lot more difficult than just setting the code to disable? It always makes my fuel mileage drop to crap.
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They must not be disabling them. All you do is set them to 3. Which means No Error Reported....
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:17 AM   #3
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Im not going to say for certain, but I think that's what the last guy did.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:19 AM   #4
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Im not going to say for certain, but I think that's what the last guy did.

You didn't, by chance, get a copy of the tune, did you?

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E40's should be set to 0 for no error reported. Only the 2004's are set to 3 for no error reported.

What software was your tuner using?

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Old 11-02-2009, 10:31 AM   #6
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HP Tuners, and I'm sure I can get a copy of the tune on a thumb drive or the likes when I take it back to get it checked. Okay, so he needs to set this 06 to '0' instead of '3'. Hopefully that'll work and if I get the tune I'd love to get some feedback.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:55 AM   #7
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E40's should be set to 0 for no error reported. Only the 2004's are set to 3 for no error reported.

What software was your tuner using?

Ryan

I have an 06, and my E40 says:

0 - MIL on First Error
3 - No Error Reported

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Old 11-02-2009, 10:59 AM   #8
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You need to have them enabled (checkbox checked) and the #3 - No Error Reported. The CEL will go away.
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The actual data in the ECM itself needs to be a value of 00, I just called a friend with hptuners and he says they have a dropdown box with 0-3 as the selections. with 3 being no error reported.

I would follow these other guys suggestions, I do not know the hp product that well.

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Well aint this whole thing a mess.
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Well aint this whole thing a mess.

Not a mess at all. Misinformation is the norm in the tech sections.

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Old 11-02-2009, 02:30 PM   #12
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except I'm right where I started still. What I'm taking away from it is 'try something else until it works".
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:36 PM   #13
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ses enable(a check in the box), set to 3-no error reported.....


and IIRC(been awhile) there are 4-6 total codes you need to change with a cat delete...

catalyst this, efficency that...and so on... rear o2 sensors as well as with no cats they will likely trip a cel....
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Its got high flo cats, they just don't work very well.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:41 PM   #15
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I dont know about newer cars, but on my 96 Talon all I did was take the O2 sensor out of the exhaust stream and safety wire it to the side of the exhaust, then plug the hole that was left by the O2 sensor. Its been this way since 04 and has never thrown a CEL and its not on the computer when I run a scan tool on it.
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:43 PM   #16
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I dont know about newer cars

Fixed.

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P0137 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0138 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0140 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0141 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0157 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0157 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0160 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0161 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 1
P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 2
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Old 11-02-2009, 03:59 PM   #18
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What's funny is I looked at my tune today, and I think mine are still enabled

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my 420 & 430 are both enabled and the SES box checked. i've had no lights or codes thrown and i haven't had rear sensors in for over 3 years. huh...
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P0137 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0138 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0140 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0141 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2
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P0160 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0161 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 1
P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 2

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on a side note... 420 and 430 are disabled in my tune...
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So that wont work? Have you tried it? The talon is still OBDII. Im not sure how the ECU sees the O2 sensors on the GTOs. Its worked on other cars as well...
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P0137 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0138 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0140 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0141 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2
P0157 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0157 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0160 HO2S Circuit Insufficiency Activity Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0161 HO2S Heater Circuit Bank 2 Sensor 2
P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 1
P0430 Catalyst System Efficiency below threshold Bank 2

So all of these codes have to be set to no error reported?
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on a side note... 420 and 430 are disabled in my tune...

maybe he can explain why mine don't need that?
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Cause you're one of those lucky kind where things just seem to happen right? Generally speaking on experience, if it can go wrong, it will go wrong on my stuff.
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So that wont work? Have you tried it? The talon is still OBDII. Im not sure how the ECU sees the O2 sensors on the GTOs. Its worked on other cars as well...

Beats me, I've never tried it. I just thought that was funny the way you said it. IMHO, however, there's a half-assed way to do something, and the right way to do something. Half-assed ways of doing something should be left for other cars.

Just a guess though is that it won't work. Do some searches and see if you can find a post here where someone did it, and it worked. These cars have been out for six years, so you'd *think* there'd be one cheap SOB in the crowd who's done it...if it works. I don't read every thread here, but I read quite a bit. I've seen people buy "O2 simulators" or something like that, but don't ever remember anyone saying they did what you suggest. Could be wrong though. It's been a bad day.

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maybe he can explain why mine don't need that?

the honest answer is likely very unscientific believe it or not..

some cars are just more finiky than others...

its the likely same reason that the old school casper's o2 sims worked 90% of the time, and for that other 10%, they ended up still needing to have the correct codes tuned out...


you may also recall, in cars with hi-flo cat's they will actually intermitently set these codes as well...




on the other hand, if you were looking for an absolute answer.... i don't have any of those...

that answer would require knowing what threshold the cat efficency checks itself against... (likely a delta o2 fluctuation) and if its to0 low or too high, it trips the code... just a whole lot of best guesses...

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the honest answer is likely very unscientific believe it or not..

some cars are just more finiky than others...



Like a stinkin woman. Okay, I'm gonna wait till I have my ported intake and TB then its back to the shop with these multiple ideas. Thanks guys.
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