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Old 11-05-2009, 10:20 AM   #1
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Excessive tensioner movement on TVS

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Tensioner still moves slightly at idle, and under WOT it jumps about 3/4" inch. We are afraid it will throw a belt, is this normal?
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:20 PM   #2
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Had same problem. I went with comp cam tensioner. Problem solved. I had to call comp cam due to the comp makes a specific tensioner for the gto.

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Old 11-05-2009, 12:43 PM   #3
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Tensioner movement is not only absolutely normal with a blower, it is desireable. The 3/4" deflection is the belt stretching and relaxing as you apply and release load. Nothing to be concerned about as long as it isn't hitting the inner or outer stop. The Comp tensioner, like the Katech, is fixed. It is unable to compensate for the aforementioned belt fluctuations, which is why Katech does not recommend it for supercharged applications. Eventually, the belt will start flapping and eject itself if the tensioner cannot dynamically compensate. Replacing the belt with a Gates heavy duty truck belt will reduce the stretching under load.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:39 PM   #4
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Go one size smaller on the belt, and make it a Gatorback.
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gates belts are better. mike is right.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:18 PM   #6
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:33 AM   #7
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I had a gates belt on it and it moved even more.

I guess I'll have to try and find a half inch shorter belt.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:58 AM   #8
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The regular Gates belts are pretty nondescript. The "Fleetrunner" green stripe belts are different, as are the racing belts. Gatorbacks are very good because they don't trap air under them. Pulleys such as those produced by Reichard and others have the ventilation in the pulley, not the belt, which is a better way to go.
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I switched to a solid tensioner and a Fleetrunner belt. No matter what belt I tried I had slip untill I went solid. ECS is a good upgrade but even with that thing people see slip. More and more people are running the solid tensioners and so far so good. Sometimes too much "theorizing" prevents people from trying something that make acutally work i.e solid tensioner with a Maggie.
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I switched to a solid tensioner and a Fleetrunner belt. No matter what belt I tried I had slip untill I went solid. ECS is a good upgrade but even with that thing people see slip. More and more people are running the solid tensioners and so far so good. Sometimes too much "theorizing" prevents people from trying something that make acutally work i.e solid tensioner with a Maggie.

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I switched to a solid tensioner and a Fleetrunner belt. No matter what belt I tried I had slip untill I went solid. ECS is a good upgrade but even with that thing people see slip. More and more people are running the solid tensioners and so far so good. Sometimes too much "theorizing" prevents people from trying something that make acutally work i.e solid tensioner with a Maggie.

I tried the solid and still have it, but not on the car.

No matter how tight we made it the the PSI would go up and down. The ECS made it much better and more consistent.

BTW where can I order the Fleetrunner belts?
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I got mine from Rockauto dot com for pretty cheap and within a week.
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I get them from Napa. Usually in the next day.

8-rib I wish. Thats some coin right there. I have to build a shortblock now so thats on the back burner.

ddawson: With the ECS tensioner, you still got slip except it wasnt as drastic as with the solid tensioner?
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Old 11-07-2009, 05:04 AM   #14
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More info on the solid tensioner?

I had to go to a 99", it kept tossing belts with the 100 on it.

I also have a full 8 rib for sale with a 101 belt that I need to post up, lol.

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Old 11-07-2009, 06:09 AM   #15
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ECS tensioner and a Gates FleetRunner belt is the best setup. (Remember that there are 2 tension settings on the ECS tensioner.) Also, if the belt is slipping/slips once, it's no-good under boost anymore.

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not buyin that... i used to toss my procharger belt every now and then on a high rpm hit and it'd just slap her back on and go.
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We have the 8 inch crank, new upgraded maggie tensioner, 2.8 snout all on the ECS 8 rib and we are going to use the 100 inch Gates. I think with your stock crank and the 3.0 the 99 is a good choice.

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hmmm didnt realize there was a second setting on the ECS tensioner how do you set it?? I swapped out to a new gatorback 6 rib on mine after replacing the rear belt and put a little belt conditioner on every week, boost is holding right around 10 lbs with a peak of 11 depending on weather, im only seeing the drop above 6k rpms too.

oh and dibs for the 8 rib pulley set up going up for sale!!!! Pm me when you put it up.
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This will help also: http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...d.php?t=446271
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not buyin that... i used to toss my procharger belt every now and then on a high rpm hit and it'd just slap her back on and go.

Prochargers tend to be very hard on belts at high RPM, due to the nature of centrifugals and how ATI sets them up. You're working the belt the hardest when it wants to suck the most air between the belt and pulley. The belt load vs. RPM of a Roots blower is different.
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Went to a 99" belt and haven't tossed it yet, but it's a shit belt so it slips, I need to pickup a Gates belt on Monday.

This belt was all I could get at 4am on a Saturday morning.
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I was thinking of trying this? What do you guys think? They recommend using the Gates Fleetrunner belts with it.

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Went to a 99" belt and haven't tossed it yet, but it's a shit belt so it slips, I need to pickup a Gates belt on Monday.

This belt was all I could get at 4am on a Saturday morning.

I just ordered some 8 rib Gates HD belts for a great price. If interested on the site PM me.
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