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Old 11-10-2012, 10:13 PM   #1
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Please critique my burnout

I know I did a lot of things wrong. I had a hard time seeing how far back I was going and got front tires in the water. I left it in drive. Went from 1-2-3 as you can hear in the video. Wondering if I should put it in 1st then shift it to 2nd and leave it there. These are Nitto NT05-Rs. Supposed to heat them up really good. Was this enough ? Still cant dead hook at all. Towards end of day I tried stomping on it a lot sooner and it just spun like crazy on me through most of 1st. Even on good starts it still spins pretty damn hard on the 1-2 shift.

I tried putting it in 2nd on one burnout but it got sideways on me and I wasnt able to heat them as well resulting in a worse 60 foot.

I was brake TQ to about 1800 RPM. Didnt try a lower RPM but perhaps I should have.


Had my tires at 22 PSI all night. I thought I remembered hearing that was the sweet spot for these tires but I should have tried lower I suppose. Was just trying to get used to it and not add too many variables.

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It's a lot longer than the Jeep's burnout ???


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LOL yeah AWD is sure nice to have. My Porsche I can punch it in the rain and it gets sub 5 second 0-60s all day long no matter what I do.
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Try around 17psi hot for the tires. My mickeys and Nittos hooked well around there.


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Old 11-10-2012, 11:12 PM   #5
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LOL yeah AWD is sure nice to have. My Porsche I can punch it in the rain and it gets sub 5 second 0-60s all day long no matter what I do.

Yep, I see you back there quite a bit

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Old 11-11-2012, 03:16 AM   #6
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I don't understand why you drive around the water and then reverse back into it?

I simply drive through the water until I have the back tyres sitting in the middle of the water.
I then engage the line lock and bring the revs up and let the gearbox shift through to third gear.
Once in third gear I let the revs climb to just short of the redline.
Once close to the redline I release the line lock and allow the car to drive it's self out of the water.

Using 265/40/18 Mickey Thompson radials I have so far run a few 1.52x 60'.
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my opinion is you are pulling too far out of the water....stay in the water on the concrete. leave in drive. You want as much wheel speed as possible and if in some water it will spin straighter and be easier on your tire life. Get the tires rolling good and then lift off the brake and let it spin out of the water slightly till it starts to grab a bit then lift.

Ultimately I think you'll need a dedicated drag radial like a Hoosier or MT ET Street radial to get a decent hook w/ the torque your car has
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Backing into the water keeps from dragging water onto the starting line with the front tires if you don't have skinnies. I would not do a burnout with the tires in the water. You want to pull barely out of the water to where it is still wet, but not a puddle. I have my best traction leaving nearly from idle (barely load the suspension at 1000 or 1200 rpm) and rolling into the throttle when you get the green.
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Backing into the water keeps from dragging water onto the starting line with the front tires if you don't have skinnies. I would not do a burnout with the tires in the water. You want to pull barely out of the water to where it is still wet, but not a puddle. I have my best traction leaving nearly from idle (barely load the suspension at 1000 or 1200 rpm) and rolling into the throttle when you get the green.

That is what I thought I head read before about the water box. Next time I plan to use lower PSI and will try some runs at 1000-1200 s well.

Really wondering on the gears to be in. 1-2 or leave it in drive and let it go to third.
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I do my burnout in 3 and just leave it in 3 to race also. One less thing to remember, put it in 3 and forget it.
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Backing into the water keeps from dragging water onto the starting line with the front tires if you don't have skinnies. I would not do a burnout with the tires in the water. .



Hmmmmm, don't know if you would call 225/40/18's as a "skinnie"?
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I do my burnout in 3 and just leave it in 3 to race also. One less thing to remember, put it in 3 and forget it.

Why 3rd ? What is the 3-4 shift point for the A4 anyway ? I didnt really think about that. I dont think it was shifting out of 3rd.
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Hmmmmm, don't know if you would call 225/40/18's as a "skinnie"?

At the track the o.p. went to as well as many others, you have to have a pizza cutter up front, if you have any kind of regular width tire up front they make you back in for the reason the other guy stated... Dragging water closer to the staging lane.
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Interesting, I've never had that here in Australia.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:09 AM   #15
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Hmmmmm, don't know if you would call 225/40/18's as a "skinnie"?

I would call that skinnies compared to stock. I have 215/40/17 front tires and I drive through the water box.

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Why 3rd ? What is the 3-4 shift point for the A4 anyway ?

If you do a search, most A4 people race in third. Under normal conditions even in D, the car should not shift into fourth, but why take a chance. Bracket racers will sometimes lift a little near the finish line to keep from breaking out. If you are in D, that will allow you to shift into overdrive. Supposedly, there is some technical reasons why leaving the shifter in 3 works better... something about the using 3 instead of D uses an overrun clutch along with the sprag in low gear so its much easier on the sprag. Personally, I have tried both ways and using 3 seems to be the most consistent.
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Appeared to me that he backed into the water far enough to get the fronts wet anyhow. Burnout was way too short. 10 seconds on the first at a minimum.
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Appeared to me that he backed into the water far enough to get the fronts wet anyhow. Burnout was way too short. 10 seconds on the first at a minimum.

Yeah I did a little, the guy guiding people to the box was not very good. Way to short..... that is good to know. I figured since it went from 1st to third it was pretty long. Probably explains why I cant get these tires to give me anything better then a 1.85 60 foot so far. I know MT dont need much of a burnout but you also cant really drive those to the track like mine. I will try to do a longer one next time. Would you go from 1-2 on the burnout or leave in 3 as well ?
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I just timed the video and it seems like it was about 9-10 second s
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go around and back into the waterbox, just your rears.
Do a quick spin to get them wet all the way around and pull out.
Stop and do your burnout 5-10 seconds at about 60-70mph, roll out while still spinning and do a dry hop to test them before you get to the line.

I had my NT05R's at 15-16 hot and would hook from 5500 leaving off a 2step. (450whp)
Also, they are just as good as the ET Streets and are equally as bad/good driving in bad weather.
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I just timed the video and it seems like it was about 9-10 second s

Your burnout was about 9 seconds or so, but your rpm was low during most of it. You need to hold the rpm's at 5,500+ rpm for around 5 seconds or so if you want to really heat the tires up.
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go around and back into the waterbox, just your rears.
Do a quick spin to get them wet all the way around and pull out.
Stop and do your burnout 5-10 seconds at about 60-70mph, roll out while still spinning and do a dry hop to test them before you get to the line.

I had my NT05R's at 15-16 hot and would hook from 5500 leaving off a 2step. (450whp)
Also, they are just as good as the ET Streets and are equally as bad/good driving in bad weather.


good info, thank you. So it seems my air was too high at 22 PSI . I'll try 16 next time and see how it does. I bought them because I had heard they were just as good but with these you can get 12K miles out of them. A lot easier to just drive to the track and not mess with tires when I am there.

My biggest problem is getting them to hook from a hard launch. Even my 1.85 60 wasnt close to dead hooking, had to be careful not to spin off the line. I did the same burnout and then almost floored it and got a 2.2 60 spinning like crazy for a long time.
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Your burnout was about 9 seconds or so, but your rpm was low during most of it. You need to hold the rpm's at 5,500+ rpm for around 5 seconds or so if you want to really heat the tires up.


So put it in 1st then manually into 2nd ? I left it in drive so it went to third gear fairly quickly.
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Tried lower pressure and it didnt help me at all. Tried 20 and 18 . Went back to 22. Still couldnt do better then a 1.85 Having a hard time getting the RPMS to stay high. I am playing with shifting it manually from 1-2 but it didnt work that great half the time. Not sure what the problem is Today it did something kind of wierd a few times. I'd get on it in 1st and it just kind of bogged while spinning, felt like a huge surging or something. I let off the brake a little and they they spun really well.
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Probably too hard on the brakes.

Go to SJM and buy a linelock for $120. Best money on drag racing besides tires you'll spend.


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Probably too hard on the brakes.

Go to SJM and buy a linelock for $120. Best money on drag racing besides tires you'll spend.


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Yeah that does make sense lol, surprised I didnt think of that. Need to look into these line locks more.
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I then engage the line lock and bring the revs up and let the gearbox shift through to third gear.
Once in third gear I let the revs climb to just short of the redline.
Once close to the redline I release the line lock and allow the car to drive it's self out of the water.

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wow, getting close to red line in 3rd is like 120 MPH ..... Seems high to me
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wow, getting close to red line in 3rd is like 120 MPH ..... Seems high to me

Yeh, got to get those tyres nice and hot and sticky.

I'm only running 265/40/18 Mickey Thompson's on factory 18" wheels with rock hard Tein coilovers, these need to be very sticky or they spin baddly.
Currently my 60' times are in the low 1.5's.




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wow, getting close to red line in 3rd is like 120 MPH ..... Seems high to me

+1 on that... 6K+ in 3rd gear for 5 seconds at least, and you'll hook. Thats how all the big boys do it.
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+1 on that... 6K+ in 3rd gear for 5 seconds at least, and you'll hook. Thats how all the big boys do it.


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