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Old 11-09-2012, 02:51 AM   #1
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Question Maggie ..UPP......or Procharged

ok well im deployed in afghanistan right now and when i get home ill have a nice chunk of change to blow on my phantom6.0 heres the prob i want to stay as leagal as possible if not oh well , and the GTO is my daily driver ....so i want fun everyday driver with shit tone of power ..money is not a issue on what kit i buy just want reliable power and somthing that i can drive to and from work and to the track every other weekdnd with no issues....as of now i have a FAST102, Varram orcai ,kooks 17/8 longtubes high flow cats, spintech cat back B&m short throw Tick racing clutch master, Preditor 3 hand held tune... so with what i already have im not sure the way to go .... the motor is bone stock i want a Cam, heads, prolly Fgd pistons to handle the boost and i want to get new clutch and new axles and drive shaft......i have only delt with N/A cars so boost is a new concept for me .....i know maggie has heat issues but raw tq...procharger D1sc is good but pointless to crank high boost unless motor is built for it .....UPP turbo kit just looks like a major pain in the ass.....so any help on making my choice will help greatly and if you have any other idias for me feel free to give me input ......i want as close to 600RWHP as possible and daily driver friendly.....thanks guys

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ALL THREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You could have a maggie to spool the UPP to spin twin F3Rs to make the powa. On a stock motor with just valve springs & pushrods lol. Honestly with a Maggie you just install it and forget it. Eaton Superchargers have been installed on tons of cars from the factory and are completely reliable. You could get a TVS1900/2300 & cam. Make 8psi and around 600rwhp without having to buy heads.
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Thats what ill do !! make history tripple the boost!! ha ha ...
if i go maggie i will go for the 2300 and with that setup can i even run a choppy cam ?
like a Magicstick 2 or 3?
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:35 AM   #4
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Thats what ill do !! make history tripple the boost!! ha ha ...
if i go maggie i will go for the 2300 and with that setup can i even run a choppy cam ?
like a Magicstick 2 or 3?

Its funny I am deployed too but not really, I am in Qatar. Look up ETMC Stage two cam. The maggie is very forgiving with cam choice. I have a 232/234 with a 113 LSA, not ideeal for boost but it sounds great at idle.
I know Jon just put a Comp Roots blower in his GTO and it is a 239/243, jon told me its pretty damn choppy, his is making 603rwhp with boltons, cam, & TVS1900
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Sorry I am on the work computer but these threads have vids of my car at idle and driving.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...441&highlight=

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr...418&highlight=

oh yeah here is the ETMC stg 2 cam

http://www.easttexasmusclecars.com/p...ne/blower2.htm

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thanks allot for the input it helps makes my choices much easer

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Old 11-09-2012, 05:23 AM   #6
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From a daily driver standpoint, a turbo setup would be the best; when driving around normally the car behaves just like stock.
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If you are still deployed, just wait and see if the new Maggie will be available when you get back. If not, then I would consider all three. I would like to see how the UPP turns out just out the box without having to do this or that. All three would get you to close 600rwhp. Some would take out farther.
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Daily driver reliability with ease of maintenance? Maggie. Hands down. Nothing else touches it.

There's a reason PD blowers are the choice of every major OEM out there.
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Daily driver reliability with ease of maintenance? Maggie. Hands down. Nothing else touches it.

There's a reason PD blowers are the choice of every major OEM out there.

The maggie will be the most reliable, I suggest getting to drive or ride in a goat with each one. I had a room mate with a Steggy ported blower cobra and was sold on going to a roots blower.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:43 AM   #11
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yea im leaning more to the maggie right now ....i should be back in the states in may so ill check out the new maggie if available ... i do a small bit of 1/4 mile runs here and there but nothing major and a highway spert once and a while.. i never plan on selling it so the build is never done.. i just dont want to drop 8k on a system and not like it .. i wish i could roll in sombodys GTO with forced induction but with all the goats i know and all the meets ive been to ive only seen 2 cars 1 maggie 427 and one stock 6.0 procharged in person so im kinda going to be the only GTO around (that i know of) super/turbo ...unless anyone here does and live in the Fort Campbell TN area..?
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If I were you I would also look into a used APS. They are good to more than 600hp, I think someone on here made 900hp with a built motor and fuel. Drives like stock when not in boost.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:28 AM   #13
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If you want something closest to instal and forget that would be a Maggie. Except you'll be reminded its there once you mash the pedal. The best option for a daily IMO. Like others have said there's a reason performance cars come with a PD blower.
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As someone who actually owns or owned one of each. My vote for a daily driver is the maggie. I love the way my turbo setup sounded but changing it out now for a f1c procharger now. Only reason for my change is to make more power. My o4 has a tvs 1900 and its a very reliable car even with me beating the ever living shit out of it every single time its fired up.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:22 PM   #15
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procharger is the way to go. good power and is easy to take care of.
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Turbo..nothing beats boost hitting in a v8
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Maggie 2300 for me. I make 600rwhp with a stage one EMTC blower cam. If u want a sleeper that's the set up. U can barely Tell there is a cam nor blower until u get on it and even then it's hard to here the blower.
But traction can be an issue.
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I agree with 05ls7gto. Just got my kit in and will be installing today. If our cars didn't have good torque already I would say roots blower. They make awesome torque down low... but run out of steam up top. Any of the three will be fun.

Do what,runs out of what where,when,how ??????????

I'll try to get my dyno graph and post it up.Mine lines run straight from 2000 rpms to 6800 rpm red line with zero loss of anything and I only have a 1900 Maggie.This thing would probably go to 7200 if I pushed it that hard.Running a Comp LS1 blower cam 595/608.forgot the other specs,card is laying around here somewhere.
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thanks for the input guys .....its gona be the TVS 1900 maggie i dont think i need the 2300 i mean 600+ is plenty for what im doin i dont see myself needing anymore for what i do as a daily/ weekend track car. Now i gotta figure out what Camshaft to get and what heads to get with the most power output..i know i dont need the heads but why not i have the $$$....
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and im not sure if anyone here lives near Vengeance racing GA but im 7 hours from them and wondering if they are worth the trip for a Dyno tune?? gonna trailer the GTO there so i dont hurt the car with the new Maggie and fresh heads n cam....
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Having had a Maggie in the past, I can tell you that it will leave you wanting more. Yeah it's got instant torque, but are you pulling a trailer or something. It's hard enough to get traction with these cars as it is. Don't know if you watch the FS section but there is a reason Maggie's always come up for sale.
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thanks for the input guys .....its gona be the TVS 1900 maggie i dont think i need the 2300 i mean 600+ is plenty for what im doin i dont see myself needing anymore for what i do as a daily/ weekend track car. Now i gotta figure out what Camshaft to get and what heads to get with the most power output..i know i dont need the heads but why not i have the $$$....

I wouldnt get the 1900 when you can get the 2300 for a little more.If we can help you out with your choice and get you a great deal on a 2300 give us a call.We have the Eldelbrock 2300 for the same price as the Magnason 1900 and we may have even a cheaper 2300 option in the future.Give us a call and we can go over some options.
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Having had a Maggie in the past, I can tell you that it will leave you wanting more. Yeah it's got instant torque, but are you pulling a trailer or something. It's hard enough to get traction with these cars as it is. Don't know if you watch the FS section but there is a reason Maggie's always come up for sale.

I agree a 100% ,im wanting 900rwhp
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With a 1900, pulley changes and a intake I was making like 496 and the power was still climbing at 6600rpm. I didn't even have headers. The 1900 will not run out of steam in any usable configuration.

If I was doing it again I would do the edelbrock or new maggie as they don't have the rear belt which for me caused belt slip, and a cam that took away a little tq and helped up top as the torque I made was unusable without a minitub.
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It sounds like you care about the sound a little bit.

You will NOT be able to beat the sound of a cammed, ProCharged V8, with long tubes.

I had a Maggie previously and the torque down low was fun at first, but got old real quick. I enjoy the linear powerband of the centrifugal more than spin city on street tires with the Maggie.
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From a daily driver standpoint, a turbo setup would be the best; when driving around normally the car behaves just like stock.

^ that plus charger cars suck the hell out of the gas even while just driving normal down interstate, in traffic, at idle...ect. Turbo car will only suck the gas while under boost or just when you want it too
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^ that plus charger cars suck the hell out of the gas even while just driving normal down interstate, in traffic, at idle...ect. Turbo car will only suck the gas while under boost or just when you want it too


That is very incorrect sir. I recommend you do some research before throwing bunk claims out there.
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Ive been on the same sturggle, but only for years lol. I like the maggie because of how easy it is to put on. I should of grabbed up a TVS1900 when they were only around $5,200. Makes it harder for me to want to buy one these days with the new prices...

I havent seen much UPP info, still nothing for the 2004's I dont want to pay the price and risk having my car down for weeks, while issue are hammered out.

I found a deal on a new procharger (tuner kit), D1 for $5,700 shipped. Right now procharger is offering an "up to $500 rebate" also, whatever the hell that means. So that might be the route I go, but I got to decide soon lol because the rebate is about to end.

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Our procharged GTO gets the same gas milage as our stock GTO.

The only reason you get worse MPG is because boost is addicting and your always getting on it.

Stay out of it and you will get decent MPG.
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