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Old 11-13-2012, 11:39 AM   #61
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catalyst placement makes turbos much harder to create an emissions compliant turbo kit for the aftermarket.

The PD aftermarket (and OEM) setups are very numerous, there are lots of turbo small engine vehicles, and displacement laws in Japan have a good amount to do with it. It is not a fluke to have 2.0 and 3.0 liter high powered turbo vehicles

If an "incon" type turbo kit was build for the GTO, with the same water cooled garret ball bearing turbos, I would have one today. The APS is the closest, but due to several reasons, I would not install one on my car.

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Old 11-13-2012, 11:53 AM   #62
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Jesus Christ. The guy said he wanted a reliable, preferably legal forced induction method. Not a smurfing 2000 WHP land-speed Corvette.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:09 PM   #63
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O.P. like it was said earlier when you started this thread you'll be happiest with the versatility of the maggie with the type of driving you have in mind. the procharger definitely pulls more up top and the turbo's will make more power all together the maggie will keep you happy
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:13 PM   #64
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Jesus Christ. The guy said he wanted a reliable, preferably legal forced induction method. Not a smurfing 2000 WHP land-speed Corvette.

Wait.

OK.

Wait.

So... "Econo-shitboxes" use turbocharging as a method for making a production vehicle illegal, unreliable, and capable of breaking land-speed records? I mean, what angle are you arguing this from, anyhow?

Were you touched on the peepee as a child by a turbocharger? Would that explain the vendetta?
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Jesus Christ. The guy said he wanted a reliable, preferably legal forced induction method. Not a smurfing 2000 WHP land-speed Corvette.

What happened to, "I'm not talking about econo-shitboxes. I'm talking about top-of-the-line performance vehicles. Off my nuts."?
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:16 PM   #66
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What happened to, "I'm not talking about econo-shitboxes. I'm talking about top-of-the-line performance vehicles. Off my nuts."?

Neither UR nor Hinson are OEMs. I never said that you couldn't make power with turbos.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:17 PM   #67
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Were you touched on the peepee as a child by a turbocharger? Would that explain the vendetta?

Yes.

Will you leave me alone about it already! It was a weird time.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:24 PM   #69
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I don't have a vendetta against turbocharging by the way. I've worked on, been in, and installed N/A, APS, custom turbo, ProCharger, and Maggie setups.

Out of all of those, if I could have swung it, I'd have an APS on my car. It was a decent blend of power and install/maintenance ease. But even APS had its issues with oiling, seals, and you still had to cut the shit out of some things on the car.

Out of all of those, the custom turbo made the most power.

Out of all of those, I cussed out the ProCharger the most for being a bastard trying to fit that much shit in between the water pump and the radiator.

For set-it and forget-it installs, I like the maggies. So easy, reliable, self contained, no car mutilation, and decent power.
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You can argue all you want about boutique super car manufacturers.

I said that PDs were the choice of many major OEMs and that still stands. Mostly for the same reasons you just listed. Cost and complexity and heat management of a turbocharged system becomes detrimental when you're trying to wedge it into the engine bay of a large displacement vehicle.

Same stands true for aftermarket. Cost, complexity, and heat management of the UPP are enough to turn me off to it. Fit and finish regardless.

So where is your arguement? First, you state that PD blowers are the choice of all major OEM companies. That is completely untrue. Then you brought up the top-of-the-line vehicles, which is also completely untrue. In fact, the opposite is true.

I do agree, however, that a blower would be more reliable than a Turbo kit.
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I don't have a vendetta against turbocharging by the way. I've worked on, been in, and installed N/A, APS, custom turbo, ProCharger, and Maggie setups.

Out of all of those, if I could have swung it, I'd have an APS on my car. It was a decent blend of power and install/maintenance ease. But even APS had its issues with oiling, seals, and you still had to cut the shit out of some things on the car.

Out of all of those, the custom turbo made the most power.

Out of all of those, I cussed out the ProCharger the most for being a bastard trying to fit that much shit in between the water pump and the radiator.

For set-it and forget-it installs, I like the maggies. So easy, reliable, self contained, no car mutilation, and decent power.


I guess you missed the threads of broken shafts and rear seal leaks.
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God I love this forum. This is like DT wars all over again.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:31 PM   #73
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rabble rabble boost. I love my car, and havent thought about going any other for of FI since completing the build. do what you like, maggies obviously have a cap. yeah the turbo way might not be as easy at first, but if you get it right the first go around you just have to add things on, add boost, and retune. It could be the same way with a procharger, but you will have to upgrade the headunit if you want to reach high numbers.

In my situation I bought a turbo that will take any amount of boost I throw at it (for $300). So basically it boils down to whats next for the engine. Im confident the Holset could handle 1000+ hp as long as the engine is set up right, but my goals arent that high.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:42 PM   #74
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Do you find that hard to believe?

No, but I think you just blew the thread up with that post. S/C'd and good MPG. Say it ain't so.
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So where is your arguement? First, you state that PD blowers are the choice of all major OEM companies. That is completely untrue. Then you brought up the top-of-the-line vehicles, which is also completely untrue. In fact, the opposite is true.

I do agree, however, that a blower would be more reliable than a Turbo kit.

For me to continue this argument, I'd have to sit down and take a list of all modern cars over say $40k and evaluate the use of forced induction. For all major OEMs. I just don't have that kind of time to argue against someone on the intert00bz.
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No, but I think you just blew the thread up with that post. S/C'd and good MPG. Say it ain't so.

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BLOWERS RAPE YOUR CRANKS!!!!!111!1!!!

Is this...Stock Bottom End & Boost - Reliability List (Blowers Rape Your Cranks!)...what you're looking for?
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:36 AM   #79
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:49 AM   #81
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There's no wrong way to go. They are ALL different in every way. And I promise you, whatever route you decide, you will be happy with your decision. And you'll be on here replying to every other thread, preaching your setup to the next person who asks this question.

I think this is about the most logical answer I've ever heard to the T vs SC debate!

Someone should really sit down and draw up an UNBIAS pro/con chart to each. Include all the benefits, and all the downsides to each.

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I think this is about the most logical answer I've ever heard to the T vs SC debate!

Someone should really sit down and draw up an UNBIAS pro/con chart to each. Include all the benefits, and all the downsides to each.

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Done.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224020
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:34 AM   #84
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There's no wrong way to go. They are ALL different in every way. And I promise you, whatever route you decide, you will be happy with your decision. And you'll be on here replying to every other thread, preaching your setup to the next person who asks this question.
Are you mechanically inclined? Will you be installing and maintaining this kit by yourself?
It all depends on you and your needs.

yes i will be doing it all myself i have all the tools i need and the know how to do everything been workin on GM engines all my life so i should be good ,dyno tune is another story ill leave that to the pro's. And yes im sure i will be posting like mad with whatever i buy ha ha
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Done.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224020

LOL Perfect....dated 2008! This is the sticky at the top of FI isn't it! LOL
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LOL Perfect....dated 2008! This is the sticky at the top of FI isn't it! LOL

Yup. Ask them to update it with your kit.
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In my situation I bought a turbo that will take any amount of boost I throw at it (for $300). So basically it boils down to whats next for the engine. Im confident the Holset could handle 1000+ hp as long as the engine is set up right, but my goals arent that high.

Perhaps I'm thinking of someone else, but didn't you get that turbo for a cheap price because you work for Holset or a diesel company or something?

This thread makes me laugh. Same shit, different day.
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B-b-but I love my turbo econo shitbox! (Insert poorly worded argument here). I was all set on going twins and then inexplicably went maggie. Nothing will beat the sound twins make in my opinion though. Although, I've always thought forced induction made sound only to torment the people you crush on the hwy. Otherwise the car would just silently accelerate. Lol.
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i could be looking in the wrong place but some of they guys on here have said get the Maggie (NEW MODEL) but i was looking and the only ones for the Ls2s have the belt drive in the back...not the front like some have told me was better....any help?
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i could be looking in the wrong place but some of they guys on here have said get the Maggie (NEW MODEL) but i was looking and the only ones for the Ls2s have the belt drive in the back...not the front like some have told me was better....any help?

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