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Old 11-18-2012, 08:39 AM   #1
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Non-Sponsor Wheels Installed and a question

Alright I'll grab some pics in a few minutes here. Anyhow they are the Non-Sponsor/champion speed series wheels 15x10 and since the car rarely sees the track (maybe once a year) I went ahead and put MT ET streets on 275 50 15 and I know that Thomas recommended I go with a Hoosier 9 inch slick but its a street warrior. Anyhow I ground down the caliper bolt and bent the brake line in order for the wheel to clear the brakes then I also cut the dust cover off the rear shock and notched the A-arm slightly. Mounted the wheel and tire and it rubbed the inner fenderwell so pulled it back off and beat in the inner fenderwell. Kept putting the wheels on and back off and beating the fenderwell in and I now think I'm at a point to where it can't be beat in anymore, I think I am hitting the frame rail. Everything is pretty good now except that it rubs on a right hand turn but left hand turns are fine and I can even turn a hard left with no problems but even a slight right will rub. My question is how far are you guys beating in your fenderwells? Also can I just run a small spacer in the rear with these wheels? Or will that cause issues with the outer fender? My fenders are already rolled fyi.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:49 AM   #2
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Ok Heres the pics, sorry car is very dirty right now and still haven't had a chance to paint the rotors yet so they're still rusty.















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Edit: Suspension is completely stock except for the drag bags and in the pics the bags are inflated to 20psi (except the closeup night time pics in the garage there not inflated at all). The rub still occurred even with 30psi in the drag bags.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:09 AM   #4
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Looks sweet! too bad its rubbing
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:38 AM   #5
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I've never had any rubbing issues with my Non-Sponsor wheels, but I also pounded my inner quarter before even getting them (to clear my 285's).

You need to man up with the hammer though,


Yours,


Mine,


I brushed over mine with some of that thick tar-like undercoating, and you honestly can't even tell somebody went buck wild with a small sledge.
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Do you have room to fit a spacer without rubbing? Put a straight edge on the face of your rim and check how much room you have to the outer lip before you order one up.
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I gotcha I may try to hammer it some more then only thing is though right where that crease so to speak thing is like 1 inch up from the lip all around at some points I think that is the frame rail. When I was doing the hammering you could hear it audibly change tones and my buddy even on the other side of the car was like "That's solid you ain't gettin any further than that" It just sounds and feels like a solid frame piece behind it that isn't going to move in any further. Mainly the area closest to the spring. Did you run into this issue as well? If I keep beating it in will it eventually go in further? Also what exact tire and size are you running on your Non-Sponsor 15x10's?
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Do you have room to fit a spacer without rubbing? Put a straight edge on the face of your rim and check how much room you have to the outer lip before you order one up.

Yeah I'm not too sure on that I'll have to check. Also with IRS though I would imagine that sitting normal it could hang out past the fender lip a little but only a little since when it squats and compresses the spring it brings the top of the tire inward giving negative camber allowing it to possibly still clear and tuck in.
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It looks like you can definitely get a bit more clearance with more hammering. I had to beat the sheet out of my wheel well to get my 10" weld rts's not to rub. You really have to put some effort into to get that last 1/2" - 1".
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You can jack up your control arm to simulate travel. I've done that but on jackstands first
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Its real simple,if you cant move the tire towards the outside of the car,which i would bet you could then you have to modify the inside and your running a hell of a wide tire.Also a craddle alighnment is critical ,are you rubbing on both sides or one side? If you remember we sent you the deepest offset so you could run a huge tire down the road.I would say you need a 1/4 spacer
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i would also add the tire you choose is really big,it has 1.5 inches more tread with and 1 inch more section width than what we recomend.
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I understand that I went with a larger tire than recommended and am not trying to say anything bad about the wheel just was wondering if I can bang it in further which apparently I can, just gotta man up and not be afraid of breaking anything I guess. Thomas you have been nothing but huge help to me and have top of the line customer support and service and I thank again for that, I also love the wheels. Back on topic I am only rubbing on the drivers side. Also how is a cradle alignment done? I went down to tire kingdom last week for an alignment and had a tech that wasn't really sure how to do certain things with the gto I am going back on Tuesday to have a few things corrected since all he did was adjust toe in the front and rear and put it at factory specs and he never knew how to adjust the front camber. But I myself don't understand how the rear cradle alignment is done could someone explain?
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Because as far as I know the rear camber cannot be adjusted in stock form unless I put in the eccentric bushings.
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So nobody knows how the rear cradle alignment is done?
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Ok Heres the pics, sorry car is very dirty right now and still haven't had a chance to paint the rotors yet so they're still rusty.


Pick up some Undercarriage Spray rubber plastidip type shit and give a shot to the BFH hammer marks before they begin to rust, is my suggestion.

Also, how about matching fronts ? Looks good so far.
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Its real simple,if you cant move the tire towards the outside of the car,which i would bet you could then you have to modify the inside and your running a hell of a wide tire.Also a craddle alighnment is critical ,are you rubbing on both sides or one side? If you remember we sent you the deepest offset so you could run a huge tire down the road.I would say you need a 1/4 spacer

1/4 spacer or wheels made with different offset ~52-55.
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So nobody knows how the rear cradle alignment is done?

Hey man give me a call tommorow and ill walk you through it.I have a cradle tool i can send u so you can get it correct
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Is it just the tire rubbing?

Otherwise I would say that's the wrong offset if you have to cut the control arm, and hammer the sheet out of the wheel well...

But like Thomas said, prob should have run the tire they said so you don't have those rubbing issues.
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275s fit when the cradle is correct. Due to the drag bags, the inner sidewall is hitting at the place shown. Usually with 275s, you have to BFH massage the area about 3" up, and near the shock tube.

I have Michelin PSS 275/30/19 and the little wee bit of scrape I got was solvable with a hammer, and spray of Undercarriage Rubber Plastidip type Carquest shit.

This might be your invitation to

(a) take advantage of the superior Non-Sponsor support and borrow the tool
(b) consider lowering the back end. it might be too high for what you are trying to achieve. you can hammer out much more clearance on an IRS from the sheet metal just 1/2" above
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Looks pretty sexy, but sux u have to sledge hammer your car

You'll have to sledgehammer *and* torch your Flexy Flyer man, but tanks 4de imput.
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Looks pretty sexy, but sux u have to sledge hammer your car


Yeah. Fitting wider tires sucks.
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Hey man give me a call tommorow and ill walk you through it.I have a cradle tool i can send u so you can get it correct

Will do thanks Thomas
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And wang I def am going to re-spray that area to prevent rust I just left it that way so in the pic you can see which areas I beat in. Also I pumped the bags up real high thinking that would help with the rub but I guess my thinking is wrong? I can let the pressure all back out and it will lower the back end down more which won't bother me as I think it looks worse having the rear sitting that high.
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Matching fronts may happen one day but not for a while. These tires will only be on the car on some select saturday nights for some races (This saturday they worked out well, beat a stalled auto camaro SS with a granatelli TT kit) It is my daily so no skinnies for now and I don't wan to have to swap out 4 wheels when just looking for extra traction on race nights.
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275s fit when the cradle is correct. Due to the drag bags, the inner sidewall is hitting at the place shown. Usually with 275s, you have to BFH massage the area about 3" up, and near the shock tube.

I have Michelin PSS 275/30/19 and the little wee bit of scrape I got was solvable with a hammer, and spray of Undercarriage Rubber Plastidip type Carquest shit.

This might be your invitation to

(a) take advantage of the superior Non-Sponsor support and borrow the tool
(b) consider lowering the back end. it might be too high for what you are trying to achieve. you can hammer out much more clearance on an IRS from the sheet metal just 1/2" above


Wang, what offset are you running on your rear wheels? I am looking at 275/30/19's too and have +45 offset.
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Wang, what offset are you running on your rear wheels? I am looking at 275/30/19's too and have +45 offset.

+52, the "perfect" offset according to GroupEh ROH guize. And I gotta say, with 275PSS back there I believe 295 would run on this wheel. Michelin doesn't make 285 (guaranteed) ...

And 295/30/19 is a Ferrari size, +$150
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+52, the "perfect" offset according to GroupEh ROH guize. And I gotta say, with 275PSS back there I believe 295 would run on this wheel. Michelin doesn't make 285 (guaranteed) ...

And 295/30/19 is a Ferrari size, +$150

Just incase you and others dont understand.All 275s arnt equal.If the op was running the smaller 275/30/19s you are refering to he wouldnt need to do anything.The 275/30/19 is smaller in every way,diameter is less which is a big deal ,section width is alot narrower which is also a big big help and the tread width is smaller.You cant put 6 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket no matter where you place it.Tis has nothing to do with offset it has to do with making room for the tire chosen
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