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Old 12-04-2012, 06:30 PM   #151
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:05 AM   #153
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Ok got the first motor yesterday and installed it yesterday for testing. This is the motor I used. 2007 SL550 its the seat back motor and transmission.



The good first. It was a direct swap. The pinion gear was identical to ours. The electrical receptacle was a direct plug in and the motor bolted right up to our transmission.

Results. My seat with 12v and me sitting in it took 14 seconds to go from full back to full front. Measured it three times with stop watch. It also was a little jerky. With this motor installed same test 12V me in the seat took 12 seconds done three times. It was also a lot smoother. Now our motors are Bosch and this one was a Johnson Control.

It is a gain but if you just sit in the seat, not looking at any time it still seems very slow. I have a 2012 Buick Regal and those seats are faster. I want results that match those seats.

One other thing that might affect the speed is voltage. With 13.5 or 14 volts, like when the car is running, I am sure the motors would work faster.

I still have four motors to go. Tracking says I should have two of them tomorrow. The one I think is going to do the trick is the Cadillac Catera seat motors. Tracking shows them on Monday. They are a totally different puppy. I will have to swap out the entire motor and transmission and rewire the motor. Still not a difficult swop but look how big the motor is on them. Those seats are much heavier than ours too.


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Old 12-06-2012, 10:14 AM   #154
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Hmm, enough ground clearance with that big puppy?

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:41 AM   #155
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Hmm, enough ground clearance with that big puppy?

Tom.

Yes, there is a lot of room not just between the floor and track but also between the track and seat. It is bigger but not that much.

I think it will mount just the same way. If you look at our motor. The big 5/16 hold is where the motor bolts fast to the track.



The other thing is it has fine shaft drive splines. Out of all the motors I looked at this was the only other one that had fine shaft drive.

Now if you look at the Catera motor, the transmission looks a lot like hours, including the 5/16 mounting hole. In this picture its upside down compared to the picture of our motor.


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Old 12-06-2012, 10:54 AM   #156
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want me to send you my boost a pump to increase the seat motor voltage
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Was the time difference the same when no one was sitting in the seat?
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:04 PM   #158
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Was the time difference the same when no one was sitting in the seat?

Yeah, I'm more interested in moving the seat empty, that's when I might need it to move faster, if someone is getting in the backseat when it's raining. Standing in the rain for 30 seconds as the seat moves forward and then back is no fun I would imagine.

I have no need to adjust my seating position in any real hurry.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:45 PM   #159
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Yeah, I'm more interested in moving the seat empty, that's when I might need it to move faster, if someone is getting in the backseat when it's raining. Standing in the rain for 30 seconds as the seat moves forward and then back is no fun I would imagine.

I have no need to adjust my seating position in any real hurry.

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I like where this is going.

I would agree with the seat movement with an empty seat is more important.
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Thanks for the results. Keep us updated! If you can find a solution I'm going back to stock seats
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:54 PM   #162
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Thanks for the results. Keep us updated! If you can find a solution I'm going back to stock seats

What do you have now?
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:49 PM   #163
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I'm new to this but but I'm pretty sure gaining 2 seconds normally takes a combination of mods and a few thousand $$$ at least

Well done and I'm looking forward to what else you come up with!
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:27 PM   #164
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Anyone ever think of making a seat track bypass or something like that that you can just quickly slide the seat forward and then push it back to lock it back onto the motor?
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:59 PM   #166
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Nebo, how much did that ass cost you cause it's smurfing sexy.

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Old 12-07-2012, 08:30 PM   #167
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:40 AM   #168
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:18 AM   #169
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Was the time difference the same when no one was sitting in the seat?

I moved the seat front and back several times empty but never timed it. When I first hooked it up and tried it I thought it was much faster. So I assume you guys are concerned about the slowness when your trying to let someone in the back seat. Your using the button on the side of the seat that moves it front and then back again. I am trying to keep that feature of the seats working. That requires a seat motor with a hall sensor. Finding a motor with that feature is difficult but not imposable. I am working on it.

I am sure one of these motors I test is going to do the trick. Shipping has been really slow. I guess cause its the holiday season and all the shipping companies are maxed out. I am hoping to see the rest of the motors show up on Monday.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:53 AM   #170
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Seems to me that the gears would need to be different to do this......
if that wouldn't strain the motor too much.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:36 AM   #171
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Providing a higher velocity to the transmission should increase the output. Changing the gearing is another option, but you ideally should determine the tradeoff of torque for speed. Plus you'd have to worry about the housing and gear shaft positions of the transmission. Many ways to skin a rabbit!

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:52 AM   #172
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I moved the seat front and back several times empty but never timed it. When I first hooked it up and tried it I thought it was much faster. So I assume you guys are concerned about the slowness when your trying to let someone in the back seat. Your using the button on the side of the seat that moves it front and then back again. I am trying to keep that feature of the seats working. That requires a seat motor with a hall sensor. Finding a motor with that feature is difficult but not imposable. I am working on it.

I am sure one of these motors I test is going to do the trick. Shipping has been really slow. I guess cause its the holiday season and all the shipping companies are maxed out. I am hoping to see the rest of the motors show up on Monday.

Don't get me wrong, I love what you are trying to do, but I would rather wait an extra 5-10 seconds than lose the ability for the seat to return to it's original position.
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I timed my passenger seat last night (factory motor?). 5 seconds all the way back. 6 seconds all the way forward. This was running on battery power, not alternator (engine not running), with nobody in the seat.

Will time it again later with me in the seat.
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I timed my passenger seat last night (factory motor?). 5 seconds all the way back. 6 seconds all the way forward. This was running on battery power, not alternator (engine not running), with nobody in the seat.

Will time it again later with me in the seat.

Wow that fast already. Love to have mine do it in 5 seconds.

Tracked motors today and all are out for delivery. Will work on them tonight.
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Paul, are you timing the full travel or just from where the seat normall is to the end of the track? Are you using the button on the top part of the seat or the one on the seat bottom?
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Tests should be done while the car is running to take battery health out of the equation. This way all tests will be at approx 14v versus 10-12.6v or whatever is left in the battery at the time. The tenth cycle will probably be a little slower on a six year old battery, than the first cycle on your new yellow top.
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...and probably from the top access button starting all the way back, to all the way forward and then return to the back most position. Time each direction like previously posted.
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Paul, are you timing the full travel or just from where the seat normall is to the end of the track? Are you using the button on the top part of the seat or the one on the seat bottom?

Hmm, good point. Engine off, top bottun (near the headrest). The top button just returns it to its previous position, but doesn't run it through the full length of the rail.

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Well I was up till 8pm testing motors. I am not happy with the results at all. Swapping out the motors is easy. So far its been a straight unbolt and bolt up. The motors however are either to slow or fast but not enough torque to move a loaded seat. The other problem is keeping the memory working when using the rear entry switch. The blue motor out of the Catera works the best. You have to remove one of the seat track rails, which is not that difficult, and install the complete motor and trans. The motor bolts right in place but the wiring is wrong. The memory works on our seat using a device like a cam sensor. It counts the turns of the motor and when you reverse the seat it recounts and stops it where it started. This is done through the control module in the seat. For the Catera seat motor they use a sensor like a throttle position sensor. It varies the voltage reading to the seat module and knows were to reset the seat that way. Our seat motors have that integrated in the motor while the Catera seats have an extra switch mounted on the motor.

So I am back to square one. I have a few more ideas I am going to try. Have to order some more used parts and see what happens.
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