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Old 01-02-2013, 09:33 AM   #1
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1st Mod $650 to spend on stock 2004 a4 GTO

Goal: Low-mid 12 second daily driver GTO, No Power adders. (end result, not getting to 12 with just $650, all in all my budget will be about 8k)

I have a little extra cash to spend on the GTO, and was wondering if you guys, from experience, tell me with hind site being 20/20, what Modification would you do for my budget $650 for today.

My limited research has told me I want a HP Tuner, "COLD AIR Inductions" (I do not wish to cut my radiator shroud etc.)

Not knowing much about the HP Tuner, I assume i can re tune as I mod.

Kooks headers are out of my budget for now, but will soon be on the list.

Car has 58k miles, and there are NO modifications.

Comments, suggestions, I'm open to any feedback

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Goal: Low-mid 12 second daily driver GTO, No Power adders.

I have a little extra cash to spend on the GTO, and was wondering if you guys, from experience, tell me with hind site being 20/20, what Modification would you do for my budget $650 for today.

My limited research has told me I want a HP Tuner, "COLD AIR Inductions" (I do not wish to cut my radiator shroud etc.)

Not knowing much about the HP Tuner, I assume i can re tune as I mod.

Kooks headers are out of my budget for now, but will soon be on the list.

Comments, suggestions, I'm open to any feedback

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Cutting is the fun part. It's the SEG that you get when you realize that you got a true CAI system on your car worth your time that makes the difference. Honestly, I would go that route. Cuting the fan shroud, if done right will look just as nice when the intake is on.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:38 AM   #3
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Just make sure to cut little by little.

I got to excited and messed it up a little.


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Goal: Low-mid 12 second daily driver GTO, No Power adders.

I have a little extra cash to spend on the GTO, and was wondering if you guys, from experience, tell me with hind site being 20/20, what Modification would you do for my budget $650 for today.

My limited research has told me I want a HP Tuner, "COLD AIR Inductions" (I do not wish to cut my radiator shroud etc.)

Not knowing much about the HP Tuner, I assume i can re tune as I mod.

Kooks headers are out of my budget for now, but will soon be on the list.

Comments, suggestions, I'm open to any feedback

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If $650 is your budget, why not get some Pacesetters and mids for $500?
Any future modifications (except twin turbo setups that come with their own manifolds) will benefit from the headers.
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Mods depend on the condition of the car...tell us how many miles and what you have done already.

If your rear springs are shot as well as your front strut mounts and RR bushings...then I know where your money is going.

If you center carrier bearing on your DS is shot...then I know where your money is going.

If you still have stock 04 front brakes on the car....then I know where your money is going.

These are not "fun mods" but they are necessary upgrades to build a solid car worth future mods.

Mods are worthless without maintenance.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:52 AM   #6
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Mods depend on the condition of the car...tell us how many miles and what you have done already.

If your rear springs are shot as well as your front strut mounts and RR bushings...then I know where your money is going.

If you center carrier bearing on your DS is shot...then I know where your money is going.

If you still have stock 04 front brakes on the car....then I know where your money is going.

These are not "fun mods" but they are necessary upgrades to build a solid car worth future mods.

Mods are worthless without maintenance.

Agreed. I would go ahead and preform a ton of preventative stuff, to make sure everything is square before modding.
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Brakes and suspension.
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Use the 650 toward a trade for a manual.

he he, j/k

Unfortunately that won't buy you much, but provided all your maintenance and tires, etc. are in good shape, I'd use it for suspension stuff that fails (like the RR bushings, rear springs) and/or new mounts (engine, trans, diff) if they're worn already.

Upgrade wise, brake lines (to SS braided vs. rubber) and a good bleed w/good syn DOT4 would be nice, but if you're going to go with 05/06 front calipers, may want to get those lines instead, as IIRC the 04's are longer; will work still, but why not limit the distance...the rear calipers are the same, just not red on our 04's, but the rear rotors are ventilated on the 05/06...they're cheap @ places like rockauto, so just budget that in when the rotors need replacing.

Performance-wise, hmm...Maybe some sort of intake upgrade (not the manifold, TB or MAF) and exhaust (to go to 2.5" dual)...programmer would be nice, but ouch $$
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:21 AM   #9
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Depending on what maintenance records you have, I'd focus on consumables like fluids/plugs/brake pads/tires. If those are sufficient I'd get an OTRCAI. Forget the shroud altogether or stop worrying about cuts

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I don't see low to mid 12s with 650. Unless you use the 650 for nitrous even then you still have to figure in the tune price.
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I think he was saying those were his long-term goals (N/A it sounds like), so anything that would help toward that is something he'd consider for $650...Least that's how I read it and the rest of the pkg ($$$$) would come later?
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suspension and brakes.. then bolt ons.. then drivetrain.. then more power adders
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I don't see low to mid 12s with 650. Unless you use the 650 for nitrous even then you still have to figure in the tune price.


Maybe not $650, but he can do close to a mid 12 with $1k.

I did 12.7@110 with a used catback, new VaraCram and a tune. Then 12.55@112 when I added the ported intake and retuned.

I'd personally address the suspension and brakes first, as others have said.
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Maybe not $650, but he can do close to a mid 12 with $1k.

I did 12.7@110 with a used catback, new VaraCram and a tune. Then 12.55@112 when I added the ported intake and retuned.

I'd personally address the suspension and brakes first, as others have said.

And you also have a 6.0L...

And his goal is not 12's with $650...12's are his long term goal with a initial mod fund toward 12's of $650.
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Oh shucks, I forgot I have 15 more cubic inches.

I was responding to the quote in my post in the first section.
The second section is what I would personally do with the mod money.
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Tune, CAI and as much maintenance related stuff as you can get away with, after that suspension and then go fast parts like headers ect. after you get more money saved up.

At the end of day though it depends on your goals with the car. It depends on do you plan on keeping the car for one year or 20 years.
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do whatever you want.. or save the $650 for something better because $650 can't but you much of shiet worth your money. Unless you're doing labor yourself.
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Maybe not $650, but he can do close to a mid 12 with $1k.

I did 12.7@110 with a used catback, new VaraCram and a tune. Then 12.55@112 when I added the ported intake and retuned.

I'd personally address the suspension and brakes first, as others have said.

This is the pretty much the same thing that I did. Just wait for some used stuff to pop up on here it will save you $$$-big time. I even did it with the stock cat-back and just some mufflers.
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Oh shucks, I forgot I have 15 more cubic inches.

I was responding to the quote in my post in the first section.
The second section is what I would personally do with the mod money.

15 more cubic inches = 50 more crank rated hp lol

Plus he is an auto which will eat some hp no? I don't know if you are auto or not.
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I realized that well after I typed it. lol. It wouldn't have done me any good as most of you just click the edit link to see what the op said.
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size alone would only be ~18 more hp/19 tq, so obviously the oem heads and cam make a difference...
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Do the radius rod bushings first and then use whatever money you have left however you like. The radius rod bushings are a safety concern that need to be addressed before any performance modification is considered.
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^^^Not a bad idea to add in an alignment, too, after replacing them.
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Change the rear springs ASAP if they are stock. That was still one of the biggest upgrades I did since its effective 100% of the time. My rear would drop a ton when you gave it gas, or hit a bump. My front tires were eating to the inside. I did the springs and rims around the same time. When I put the car on an Alignment rack everything was in the green after the new parts, Still is today, 3 years later, tire wear looks perfect.
I'm still on stock shocks, and front springs, because I think the car drives great as is.
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Do the radius rod bushings first and then use whatever money you have left however you like. The radius rod bushings are a safety concern that need to be addressed before any performance modification is considered.

OP do a little searching and you will understand.
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Can someone tell me how much this would cost, and were to order one?

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