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Old 01-07-2013, 01:40 PM   #1
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228r or should I go bigger

Been looking at cams the past couple weeks and have I believe narrowed it down to the 228r from TSP. I want something that doesnt kill valve springs
and lifters but is still noticably there. This cam seems to have good manners and don't hear many complaints other than some wish they had gone bigger. The car is an 04 6 speed.

So far my list goes like this:
Pacesetter LT's
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stock throttle body
Stock intake
as cast 243 heads
LS7 lifters and new trays
New hardened pushrods
LS2 timing set
Underdrive pulley
Misc (fluids, head bolts, gaskets)
Probably will do an oil pump while the motor is apart

All that is left is the cam. The car is 95% street driven will see the drag strip maybe once a year and a couple autocross events. I would like to be in the 400 WHP bracket without sacraficing my low end torque. I don't really plan to spin the motor to the moon maybe a little higher than stock redline. Am I in the right ball park or should I go a little bigger? Anything I am missing?
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:44 PM   #2
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Bigger and with a more recent lobe design that isn't harsh on valve springs and lifters like the XER lobe is. Overall, it's a good cam, proven with time and application. I just think in the end with all that you plan on doing, that you might want to spring a tad bigger given you want to spin it a little past redline. The torquer V2 from TSP will suit this application and I see dyno sheets of guys pulling strong to 6,700rpm with this cam. I would also ditch the LS7 lifters for some Lunati link bar lifters. Peace of mind.
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Not looking for much past 6,000-6,200 or the headache that comes with spinning a motor higher.
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Then I think you will be happy with the 228R. I know others will come on here and say to "explore your options" but I think you already know this.
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I have a 224r and it works great. Small, but nice. The 228r should perform well for your. Is it the best? No, but you will like it and it sounds like you aren't looking to go too radical if you want to redline at 6k.
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Wow - people are still using single pattern camshafts in the 21st century?
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Wow - people are still using single pattern camshafts in the 21st century?

and a cam in the block with push rods.
old fashioned metal coil springs .
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Wow - people are still using single pattern camshafts in the 21st century?

Then what would you recommend Ed?
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:50 PM   #9
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I would go with : 197/209 .465"/.476" 116.5 LSA















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I would go with : 197/209 .465"/.476" 116.5 LSA















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I had almost the exact mods in your list before I added the maggie. I put down 380/370 on a mustang dyno. I would do a custom spec'd cam from 1 of the vendors if you have the coin. The 228R is an old grind. There are plenty of better options out there now. I'm too lazy to redo mine with a blower spec'd cam lol. Or else it wouldn't still be in there.
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The 228r was a really easy daily driven cam. Awesome low end too.
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Car is not a daily either
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Look at my cam and mods. I think it's a pretty good cam if you want a "shelf" grind. Modern lobes, easy on double springs. Drives very nice and the numbers speak for themselves.
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Op, I had a 236/240 .598/.608 on a 113 as my first cam. Driveability was NOT an issue at all honestly. It had the XER lobes on it, and put 20,000 miles on the "cheap" lunati duals and never an issue. The one thing I did notice with that cam, is that @ 4,000 rpm it was like a light switch at WOT. Stockish power until then and then HOLD on lol. Didn't care for that to much. I called Ed and he specd me a new cam, and it was MASSIVE. I was so excited, and then pop goes a rod bearing. SO now we have a much milder (lol) cam in there and first fire is Thursday. Imo speak with a few vendors, but I think you will be wishing you went bigger.
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Car is not a daily either

How fast do want to go?

Fast enough to beat Pops in a Buick SUV or fast enough to run with a vette?
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How fast do want to go?

Fast enough to beat Pops in a Buick SUV or fast enough to run with a vette?

Faster than I have been going for the last five years.
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With the goals that you seem to be looking for, I think the 228R will get you there and with good bottom end like others have stated. All depends on your budget and if your ok with an off the shelf cam. That's what I did and I'm pleased with my car very much.
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588 LIFT 228 AT .050 112 LOBE= WAY FUN.
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What about something like this. It is a little custom grind I came up with.

268/272 .680/.720 109+4

According to my research this thing should be a beast. Super easy on the valvetrain. Stock (ish) idle. Makes good power at 7200 rpm. Just a great all around daily driver cam.

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It the same boat as the OP, about to install a V2 on 111LSA on an 04 Auto. Lift is still under .6 should not be an issue. With the lower LSA should bring in the power a little bit sooner as I don't plan on spinning the engine way past red line as car is a weekend street toy. Having it installed by East Texas Muscle Cars and they have installed a lot of the V2 cams and has assured me that I should not get surge with his tune.

Considered and ED Curtis cam but at the end of the day felt more comfortable going with what works best with the guy doing the tune as the tune makes or breaks the cam.
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It the same boat as the OP, about to install a V2 on 111LSA on an 04 Auto. Lift is still under .6 should not be an issue. With the lower LSA should bring in the power a little bit sooner as I don't plan on spinning the engine way past red line as car is a weekend street toy. Having it installed by East Texas Muscle Cars and they have installed a lot of the V2 cams and has assured me that I should not get surge with his tune.

Considered and ED Curtis cam but at the end of the day felt more comfortable going with what works best with the guy doing the tune as the tune makes or breaks the cam.

That's the silliest thing I've heard. If your tuner can't tune a custom cam then you should find a new tuner.
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What about something like this. It is a little custom grind I came up with.

268/272 .680/.720 109+4

According to my research this thing should be a beast. Super easy on the valvetrain. Stock (ish) idle. Makes good power at 7200 rpm. Just a great all around daily driver cam.

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Baby cam... why not go bigger?
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What about something like this. It is a little custom grind I came up with.

268/272 .680/.720 109+4

According to my research this thing should be a beast. Super easy on the valvetrain. Stock (ish) idle. Makes good power at 7200 rpm. Just a great all around daily driver cam.

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Nah brah too mild for me 8000 RPM or bust.
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I'm assuming I have around that range of cam in my motor and I like it. But I am a DD though.
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I have that cam in my c5 vette with AFR 205 heads, kooks LT headers, vararam, 3.90 gears and FAST 90/90 and im putting down 451 at the wheels.

Nice fun cam that wont hurt the car.
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i have the 228r cam and love it but ive been recently thinking of going a lil bigger, i have about 8k miles on mine and might be in the market to sell for the right price to move up to a bigger cam.. let me know.. i love the cam its easy to drive everyday nice power curve and u feel it all the way threw the power band, i have pacesetter long tubes, ls7 lifters, fast 102, slp underdrive pulley, pac springs comp rod, melling high volume pump and a custom tune, never had it on a dyno but i love it.. i think i just got used to the car and need a lil more..
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I have no real intentions of pulling high RPM out of my motor. With that being said would a torquer V2 with a narrow LSA work to keep the power down in the band?
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Either cam will still pull to 6500 rpm.
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I believe the LSL lobes are supposed to be gentler on the valvetrain than the XER lobes.

A lot of your valve spring wear will come from the aggressive ramp rates on the lobes.


With that said, the 228R is a proven performer. But a lot of other cams are proven performers, as well. There is nothing special about the 228R grind that makes it specific to Texas Speed, though. When I bought my Torquer V2, I just shopped around with the Comp grind.
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