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Old 03-28-2017, 10:21 AM   #1
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Car Suddenly won't start...About to dump this thing in Lake Erie

So I get in about a half hour ago to drive to an eye doctor appointment, turn the key, the car is cranking...and cranking...and then stops after starting cycle runs it course. I tried a few more times--no go. Then I get an alert: ABS Fault.

Could a such a fault prevent the car from starting? And what might be causing this fault.

This car has been such a pain in the ass the last year or so. I'm about ready to throw my hands up and walk away from it.

Frustrated David in OH

P.S. Forgot to mention that this happened several weeks ago, but after a few starting cycles, the car started. I thought it might be a security issue, so didn't think anything of it at the time.

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I would start by checking the battery and at the very least charging since it is likely run down at this point. Disconnect the battery well charging to reset the computer. When the batteries start to go they can cause some funky stuff to happen on these cars. Once you have that squared away you need to check for fuel, spark and air.

Fuel pump is a possibility since it just cranked with no start. That should get you going in the right direction. Good luck! FYI ABS fault is common with a weak or failing battery.
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Dying battery not holding charge
Dying alternator not providing proper voltage / seizing up
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ABS fault is probably from low voltage. Just a consequence of cranking too long.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:52 AM   #5
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Although, a dead/disconnected abs module would cause a no start. I think this was an issue when people pursued ABS deletion back in the day, before they learned to bypass it. I think it has something to do with CAN Bus, but i don't remember.

I'll look it up later... if i remember.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:54 AM   #7
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"Dying battery not holding charge"

Would it still be able to crank the engine as much as it did. I mean, it didn't "sound" like the battery was weak to begin with--of course, it is now.

I've been having a chattering noise coming from the alternator for several weeks now. I actually have the new alternator, but haven't put it in yet. Maybe this could be the real problem as you suggested.
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"Dying battery not holding charge"

Would it still be able to crank the engine as much as it did. I mean, it didn't "sound" like the battery was weak to begin with--of course, it is now.

I've been having a chattering noise coming from the alternator for several weeks now. I actually have the new alternator, but haven't put it in yet. Maybe this could be the real problem as you suggested.

If your car cranked and eventually started, then no.
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get the battery back to 100% charge. if it cranks and eventually starts, a battery or alternator isn't preventing it from starting, if they are dying or not.

do the basics - check fuel and spark. make sure you get fuel prime on key-on, check fuel pressure. you can use a noid light or a stethoscope to check to see if the injectors are firing. you can check for spark with a spark tester. check spark plug condition.

check sensor data while cranking and after you manage to get it started with an obd scan tool, torque app, or hptuners.
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Old 03-28-2017, 03:37 PM   #10
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I suspect the battery at this point. Can be other things, but these cars are stupidly sensitive that way (at least in my experience).

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Stepson and I tried to jump it a few hours ago, and no start. Turned the car on/off to see if we could here the fuel pump--absolute quiet. Checked the fuel rail for pressure--there was none. And I didn't smell gas at all. We're thinking it's the fuel pump, so I guess I'll start from there.

Piece by piece I seem to be replacing every bit of this car.
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Verify it's actually the pump first. Does the relay get power on key on? Can you force the pump on? (Using hptuners, if you have it?) Test for voltage at the pump on key on or during cranking.
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get the battery back to 100% charge. if it cranks and eventually starts, a battery or alternator isn't preventing it from starting, if they are dying or not.

do the basics - check fuel and spark. make sure you get fuel prime on key-on, check fuel pressure. you can use a noid light or a stethoscope to check to see if the injectors are firing. you can check for spark with a spark tester. check spark plug condition.

check sensor data while cranking and after you manage to get it started with an obd scan tool, torque app, or hptuners.

FYI not 100% true. Dying alternator could be seizing which would affect the car cranking over.

My car suffered from weird issues where one day it would start, the next it wouldn't, while running it would stall out, and then finally my GTO stalled while I was driving and it wouldn't crank back over. Towed the car home then while checking it with a friend it turned over!

Turned out my Alternator was dying but not dead. We took the belt off and when spinning the alternator by hand every 8th-ish rotation the alternator would lock up, and take a lot of force to keep rotating. So it appeared to be giving normal voltage when actually it was dipping constantly and the seizing was putting a lot of extra stress on the engine.

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FWIW, I experienced the same issue on my 05 a few years ago trying to start it with a dying battery. Kept cranking then gave me an ABS fault light. Replaced the battery and all was well with the world.
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Yep- likely it's time for a new battery.
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FYI not 100% true. Dying alternator could be seizing which would affect the car cranking over.

My car suffered from weird issues where one day it would start, the next it wouldn't, while running it would stall out, and then finally my GTO stalled while I was driving and it wouldn't crank back over. Towed the car home then while checking it with a friend it turned over!

Turned out my Alternator was dying but not dead. We took the belt off and when spinning the alternator by hand every 8th-ish rotation the alternator would lock up, and take a lot of force to keep rotating. So it appeared to be giving normal voltage when actually it was dipping constantly and putting a lot of extra stress on the engine.

Interesting.

But you still noticed the irregular crank, i'm sure.
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Just seems like this is going to be another guessing game thread out of the 5 or so that have already been created that ends up getting no where.
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Sadly I have that same suspicion.....
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Just seems like this is going to be another guessing game thread out of the 5 or so that have already been created that ends up getting no where.

Not so much like a guessing game as it is trying to herd cats.

I am starting to see why tech support guys ask stupid, super basic questions over the phone to start off with.

I'm going to have to start doing the same thing to people.
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Not so much like a guessing game as it is trying to herd cats.

I am starting to see why tech support guys ask stupid, super basic questions over the phone to start off with.

I'm going to have to start doing the same thing to people.

Word.

This is not directed at the OP, but some people have no business trying to diagnose a car issue.
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Word.

This is not directed at the OP, but some people have no business trying to diagnose a car issue.

Totally agree. Also, some issues just can't be diagnosed over an internet chat forum, they need hands-on attention by someone who knows their sh!t.
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I think it would have benefitted the OP to not have created so many threads and just stick to 1, that would have consolidated all the previous asked questions and answers, since his "various" problems are more than likely related.

But with that being said, I feel for the dude.
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The reason folks like me come to these forums (at least for me, anyway) is to ask questions and build a "trouble shooting list" when problems arise. The more questions that are asked, the more I learn about the problem and solutions. I'd rather spend my time here on the Internet conversing with people who know the car as opposed to taking it somewhere and have a guy diagnosing a problem he may or may not have real knowledge about. And besides all that, my goal is to avoid having to have someone else do the work for me and end up costing me a ton of money.

I'll admit I can be a bit of a pain in the ass when it comes to asking a lot of questions on the same subject. I'm just trying to avoid miscommunication and confusion. I know that rubs some people here the wrong way, so my apologies for that.

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LOL, Ask away. We all learn something fro these posts. If you solve it and repost on here the solution, then when it happens to us, maybe we can remember the cure.
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The reason folks like me come to these forums (at least for me, anyway) is to ask questions and build a "trouble shooting list" when problems arise. The more questions that are asked, the more I learn about the problem and solutions. I'd rather spend my time here on the Internet conversing with people who know the car as opposed to taking it somewhere and have a guy diagnosing a problem he may or may not have real knowledge about. And besides all that, my goal is to avoid having to have someone else do the work for me and end up costing me a ton of money.

I'll admit I can be a bit of a pain in the ass when it comes to asking a lot of questions on the same subject. I'm just trying to avoid miscommunication and confusion. I know that rubs some people here the wrong way, so my apologies for that.

David in OH

Wait... what other threads?
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The reason folks like me come to these forums (at least for me, anyway) is to ask questions and build a "trouble shooting list" when problems arise. The more questions that are asked, the more I learn about the problem and solutions. I'd rather spend my time here on the Internet conversing with people who know the car as opposed to taking it somewhere and have a guy diagnosing a problem he may or may not have real knowledge about. And besides all that, my goal is to avoid having to have someone else do the work for me and end up costing me a ton of money.

I'll admit I can be a bit of a pain in the ass when it comes to asking a lot of questions on the same subject. I'm just trying to avoid miscommunication and confusion. I know that rubs some people here the wrong way, so my apologies for that.

David in OH

No apology needed, I'm not offended in the least

How old is the current battery? I'd start with that as others have suggested
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