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#1 · (Edited)
For those of you that don't know, a little less than a year ago I wrote a negative review on Behe Performance here on this forum. Behe Performance later joined the discussion, claiming that everything I said was not true and claimed that they did not tune my car. I posted proof (e-mail from John Behe stating he finished the tune, along with a copy of the dyno chart) and shortly after the thread got locked up. Thread can be found here, for those interested:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574690

Roughly a couple months ago I wrote a review on their Yelp! listing and it was removed shortly after. I posted a review on their Facebook on 07/01/2014 and it was removed on 07/02/2014 or 07/03/2014.

Today, they posted the following on their Facebook: "Stop by our website today to learn what makes us a great performance & service shop....with 4.5 star rating! http://buff.ly/1nUmomx"

My response was to the affect of, "You have 4.5 stars because you remove negative comments."

The employee that runs the Facebook page (I can speculate at who I think that is) responded and in his response he stated that they cannot remove reviews. I responded with the date I posted my review, and the range of dates that it was removed. They replied with a screen-shot showing a few reviews on their page, trying to falsely demonstrate that they had no buttons to remove the reviews.

I started replying with screen-shots of proof that they can remove reviews, and they deleted my comments on their wall post, as well as their comment trying to say that reviews cannot be removed, blocked people (or at least myself) from posting on their Facebook page, and in-turn, covered up the whole thing just like they tried doing when I called them out here on the forum (when they requested to have my thread on here closed by claiming I was lying). Here is a screen-shot of what their wall post looks like now after they deleted my comments and one of their own comments:



These are the kind of things Behe Performance is up to. They have negative statements about their business removed to look like they have a great satisfaction rate.

If you're contemplating using Behe Peformance, please take all of this into consideration and make an educated decision before you risk a similar situation that I faced with my GTO when they tuned my car. They can easily claim a high satisfaction rate by hiding their unsatisfactory work as they have done.
 
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#2 ·
tinypic never works for me. I can't see shit.
 
#3 · (Edited)
How's this one, good Sir?



That one is using postimage.org. Apparently he also edited the only comment you can still see there, to remove his text about not removing reviews. Apparently they changed their minds and didn't want customers to see their false claims. Here's their edit history on the first response to my comment about them removing reviews:

 
#7 ·
Very true. Unfortunately at the cost of nearly $1,000 for them to ruin several thousand dollars-worth of an engine. I could have blown my own engine up for free instead of paying someone else to write a ticking-time-bomb tune lol.


Sorry about anyone having bad experiences in the car world. I had one solid bad experience when I was in high school. Since then I have decided to do as much work as I can by myself.

I plan to go boosted at some point, but before that, I am going to learn HP Tuners & all its info from Tuning Books/Greg Banish DVD's/etc.

Funny how the car world doesn't have a better system for ratings. Newegg.com or even Amazon is a perfect example of how a buyer/sellers dynamic should be, with a sudo-Third party in the middle.
Definitely doing everything you can on your own is the best way to go. I've been the only one turning wrenches on my cars since I was 16, with the exception of a few things I've paid to have done (shift kit, cam-shaft, turbo fabrication) because I either did have the skills and/or equipment and/or time to learn, and each time chose someone very reputable to do the work. Tuning was another one of those situations because learning to tune and having access to a dyno, along with the costs of everything... it was easier just to pay someone to do it for me. I just picked the wrong person for this job obviously. :|


Nah. I've seen people rate a product as a 1 because the shipping was late. The review was along the lines of "Product was great and the graphics card was ultra fast but shipping was delayed by two weeks!" and then they rate as low as they can. That's not reliable at all.
True, but even at that, some of those websites have the ratings broken down by categories such as shipping. Categorized reviews that the business can't manipulate one way or another would be excellent. Maybe I can find my next tuner on Angie's List when the time comes lmao.
 
#5 ·
Sorry about anyone having bad experiences in the car world. I had one solid bad experience when I was in high school. Since then I have decided to do as much work as I can by myself.

I plan to go boosted at some point, but before that, I am going to learn HP Tuners & all its info from Tuning Books/Greg Banish DVD's/etc.

Funny how the car world doesn't have a better system for ratings. Newegg.com or even Amazon is a perfect example of how a buyer/sellers dynamic should be, with a sudo-Third party in the middle.
 
#6 ·
Funny how the car world doesn't have a better system for ratings. Newegg.com or even Amazon is a perfect example of how a buyer/sellers dynamic should be
Nah. I've seen people rate a product as a 1 because the shipping was late. The review was along the lines of "Product was great and the graphics card was ultra fast but shipping was delayed by two weeks!" and then they rate as low as they can. That's not reliable at all.
 
#9 ·
Internet consumer reviews are a double edged sword, in my opinion. There's no way to verify any of it. Bad reviews could be genuine, a competitor sabotaging someone's reputation, or just whining, clueless idiots. Judging by grammar, I'd say the latter is the most prevalent.
 
#10 ·
. Bad reviews could be genuine, a competitor sabotaging someone's reputation, or just whining, clueless idiots.
I heard this is/was a big problem on Yelp, many people allowing their personal preferences & opinions Completely shape what a review is, yet leaving out many Hard Facts. As well as Sabotage reviews..

Double Edged sword indeed.
 
#11 ·
I will say that this thread is worthless. OP had a terrible experience and has voiced this opinion in detail. I have seen a post by OP on any other subject so I guess when the word "BEHE" shows up, he is going to start his rant all over again.

It is fair to yeah or nah a shop when others are looking for a referral, but we do not want to hear about your troubles all over again.
 
#13 ·
Just trying to protect others from my same experience. Your defending of Behe is as worthless as my thread is. You've witnessed John's false claims about the entire situation, you've seen my proof to back my side of the situation, and you are now aware of the shop's continuous attempts at hiding their bad practices by removing negative reviews... yet you will voice your opinion to defend that shop just as often as I will alert others of their new-found bad practices.

Anyhow, I'm not going to argue this. Again, this thread is for others to be aware of this shop. I don't want someone deciding on this shop based on their reviews, when their reviews are altered. I'd hate to see someone else lay down their hard-earned money just to have a business walk away when they only cost them more money, and then cover up the issue, leaving the customer with nothing but a lighter wallet.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Mean gto',thanks for taking the time to update us..I happen to agree with you.The facts thus far seem to support you posts.....I live near the Maryland border and have not seen much support for this shop around the area......when I need work done it will be at Complete Street Performance....Have followed their work for a long time and they have a reputation second to no one on any site I visit.Its almost unheard of to hear the nice things said about them and their service...I worked in the service sector for years and when you screw up, its better to do whatever necessaey to admit the error and fix it fast,small problems really become big problems mighty fast.
 
#16 ·
No problem at all. And I have heard nothing but great stuff about CSP. Lots of great feedback on the forums from their customers... don't think I've seen one negative thing about them.

It is hard working in the service industry. Not everyone is the same, but I personally tend to write good reviews when someone / a business does a great job. In my lifetime I've written 3 negative reviews, and probably 12 good ones. Heck, I even wrote a great review for Behe Performance on here years ago when they did some work on my car. I even omitted some issues I had with what they did (didn't do a baseline dyno pull before installing the headers, as requested, which was the sole purpose of installing the headers [to compare gains over a competitor's headers]; they also didn't follow the instructions on curing the coated headers, so the fresh Jet-Hot coating was burnt and dulled instead of shiny). Yet, I still gave them a good review.

Before I write a bad review on someone, I try to be totally fair. In all 3 instances, I gave the other party ample time and to at least attempt some sort of resolution. But when weeks or months go by and someone continuously lies to you about about your order, doesn't respond to you at all, or whatever the situation may be... if more than $20 was spent/lost in the deal, I'm going to tell people about it. The biggest mistake a business can make is to refuse to respond to the customer and at least attempt to offer something that may fix the situation they are responsible for.
 
#18 ·
I think your post accomplished its goal.. People need to do diligence on a shop before letting them operate. I was fortunate with all my mechanical work and with National Speed in NC doing all the tunes. Thanks for the heads-up
 
#22 ·
You're certainly welcome, and glad you have had great luck with National Speed. Always good to have a shop that consistently does great work!


I will agree with OP about CSP. What is funny to me is those who are from Texas, NC (just to mention a couple) who would never use a Md shop anyway. If you have an experience with a shop (good or bad) we all want to know about it. However, when your experience is ancient history then I would want to hear from those who have had more recent experience with a shop. As we all are aware, most shops have gone thru a period where they had complaints and the people who worked there then have been replaced.

Some might say I am a supporter of Behe and I can understand that. I will say and OP would probably agree that there is not a better GTO coming out of this shop than mine. I say this because I knew what was being done and had the time and $$$ to work with the people there. Therefore I feel that my GTO is done exactly for the purposes I drive it and the shop knows exactly what I want or need to accomplish that goal.

To everyone, I would say don't do mods that are not current to your driving pleasures. I see too many cars modded out because everyone else was doing it and that just seems stupid if you do mods that don't relate to how the car willl be driven.
If this was ancient history and no new developments, I would agree. But it has only been since late last year that John came on here and started suggesting I was a liar and that he never tuned my car. That's relatively recent. The reason I brought their name up again is because of their very recent efforts to continue to try to bury the situation. After his claim of him never tuning the car that day in effort to get the thread taken down, the shop removes my reviews so no one else hears about it. If 8 other people had negative things to say and Behe buried the complaints, would you or other potential customers know about it? Of course not. And maybe my opinion is different than yours, but trying to bury complaints is not a good business practice. Attempting to resolve the issue is what should be done, if the problem could not have been avoided in the first place.

I will absolutely agree with you that your car might be one of the best GTO's that have left his shop. I've said it before, and I'll sincerely say it again-- I truly am glad you have not faced any problems. I do feel that the fact that you have Behe advertised on your car and that you have a decent relationship with them, and come to them for all or at least most of your performance needs really does put them in a spot where they want to make sure your car is running great.

Maybe it was the fact that I didn't come to them for the turbo build, and never discussed the build with them, and then arranged to drop the car off one day so they could simply tune it and hand it back over to me. As I've said before in my thread from last year, I prefer to go to specialists for any work that I can't do myself. I had an excellent shop, with an excellent reputation, do and excellent turbo fabrication on my car. Not one single complaint on what was done. I had used Behe previously for my tunes since that's something John was known to be a master at.

I had the funds to do what I wanted to the car, so not sure how money could have been an issue. You also don't have to publicly admit this, but anyone who has talked to John about tuning their car is advised by John that he offers a premium tune. He explains that his premium tune includes "days" of tuning the vehicle both on the dyno and on the street. The morning of the day my tune was performed I had called him to check the progress. He had the car in his possession for a few days, and told me hadn't started working on it yet. Several hours later, I get a call that the car was done, along with an e-mail including the dyno chart and his words saying, "This is a very safe cal and once you get your heat issues handled I'll wick it up a bit.". I'm sure you saw that e-mail. Obviously, he spent no more than a few hours on the tune, but I still was charged the price for several "days" worth of tuning. That's one issue right there.

Next, the transmission wouldn't upshift at full throttle. Came in working great, left his shop with a major problem. A major problem that he would have noticed if he took it out on the street like he claims he does (which I later fixed on my own when I found how he screwed up my TCM parameters). He also uninstalled my drag radials that day, which I previously requested that he left on. I already had traction problems with the Maggie, and knew I was going to have traction problems with twin turbos. Instead, he switched my street rims/tires back on and told me I didn't need the drag radials on the car. When I left his shop I noticed the car was breaking loose left and right with just 25% or so throttle. Something else he would have known about if he took the car off the dyno.

Following that, a few hundred miles after the tune the engine blows. Broken ring lands, which I later found to be an obvious sign of detonation (too much timing advance). Before I knew that, I called John and he immediately insisted his tune had no impact on that. After this engine made over 70 high 10-second and low 11-second pulls with no problems whatsoever, all the sudden going from 508 RWHP to 639 RWHP causes my engine to only last a few hundred miles, on just 7-8 lbs of boost?

Lastly, after I find the cause of the problem (many issues in the tune) and give John several chances to respond to me, he decides to try to bury the whole thing. Won't return my calls or e-mails, and I wasn't going to make the 2+ hour drive to his shop just to have him tell me he wasn't going to discuss it, so I gave up and posted my experience. Then he shows up in the thread and makes all of those ridiculous claims that he did, which I proved was totally bogus.

All of that has bad news written all over it. And that was only less than a year ago that he tried pulling all that, trying to ruin my reputation and make me look like the idiot, when all I had to say was truthful statements. And then just yesterday, they claim that they cannot remove reviews on Facebook and show a screen shot trying to falsely show that it cannot be done. I know for a fact that they can report a review to have it removed, and that's exactly what they did. When I logged on Facebook the morning of July 3rd (two days after posting a review on there), I received an alert that my review was flagged by the owner of the review and was removed. All you have to do is claim that the post is harassment, and it will be removed 9 times out of 10.

Though my experience was not recent, this is the type of stuff that they are currently doing. Not good. Not good at all. And no one would otherwise know about my experience nor others that provide a negative review. You can't say that they weren't in the wrong before, and are still doing wrong to this very day.
 
#19 ·
I will agree with OP about CSP. What is funny to me is those who are from Texas, NC (just to mention a couple) who would never use a Md shop anyway. If you have an experience with a shop (good or bad) we all want to know about it. However, when your experience is ancient history then I would want to hear from those who have had more recent experience with a shop. As we all are aware, most shops have gone thru a period where they had complaints and the people who worked there then have been replaced.

Some might say I am a supporter of Behe and I can understand that. I will say and OP would probably agree that there is not a better GTO coming out of this shop than mine. I say this because I knew what was being done and had the time and $$$ to work with the people there. Therefore I feel that my GTO is done exactly for the purposes I drive it and the shop knows exactly what I want or need to accomplish that goal.

To everyone, I would say don't do mods that are not current to your driving pleasures. I see too many cars modded out because everyone else was doing it and that just seems stupid if you do mods that don't relate to how the car willl be driven.
 
#20 ·
I will agree with OP about CSP. What is funny to me is those who are from Texas, NC (just to mention a couple) who would never use a Md shop anyway. If you have an experience with a shop (good or bad) we all want to know about it. However, when your experience is ancient history then I would want to hear from those who have had more recent experience with a shop. As we all are aware, most shops have gone thru a period where they had complaints and the people who worked there then have been replaced.
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No one on here will have any first hand recent knowledge, thanks to Mean's threads.
 
#25 ·
My comment wasn't directed at you or Behe, since I've never been to Behe and I have nothing invested in them or your situation.

I agree that it is not affordable for most to upgrade everything at once. I don't expect them to, but what I was getting at was that a lot of people feel that they can add a ton of horsepower and still keep the car as reliable, comfortable, and efficient as it was when it rolled off the factory floor. You can't do that. Whether it is a higher stall converter to match the engine's new powerband or a stiffer clutch to hold the new-found power or low-end bucking from the new camshaft size...something is given up.
 
#26 ·
Sorry, wasn't insinuating that your comment was directed at me. Just simply stating my opinion on building a fast car. Luckily for me, at the power level I was last at (639 RWHP) I had no loss of driveability. Well, maybe the 3400 stall, but that wasn't because I had too... it was because I wanted that more aggressive response.

But definitely... with a lot of stronger clutches comes stiffer clutch pedal and less-comfortable grabbing characteristics; stiffer suspension results in lesser ride quality; forced induction results in driveline components breaking... and more. I don't know what it's like on this forum nowadays (I only come on here for a few days at a time each year at best these days and don't explore too many threads), but you, bill, myself, and a couple others in this thread go back to years ago when most people modding these cars knew what to expect as far as complications. I'm sure that has changed, but I just haven't been around on here to see. Don't want to either. Sick of all of the redundant posts is see on the "GTO Owners" Facebook page about driveshaft questions, differential questions, key cylinder issues, "what's better: supercharger or turbo?".... all the same stuff discussed at least once a day because they're not inclined enough to search the Internet for their answers. I'm sure those same people would be the ones assuming spraying a 250-shot of nitrous won't break stuff. Lol.
 
#27 ·
Yeah, a lot of the questions are redundant and have been rehashed a thousand times over, but as this site ages, the information ages, as well. The old, informative posts have gotten buried with other threads where the information isn't as great, or the photo links have gone bad and you no longer get the visuals that you once had before. I mean, check the number of dead links in the exhaust clip sticky. So, I don't typically mind answering some questions that have been rehashed a thousand times before, but I do draw a line. If you take absolutely no time to search, then you deserve whatever answer you get.

As for clutches, I'm really intrigued by the LT1-S clutch that Monster has released. I think it would definitely help make my GTO a little friendlier to drive than the Tick master/ Monster Stage 3 currently does. I just have a lot more expenses coming up, so I can't justify $1,000 for a clutch for a car that has only been backed out of the garage in the last month.
 
#28 ·
That is all very true, but I see a lot of questions being asked that have ageless answers too. I guess that's why I prefer to speak to veterans on the forum versus the newbie asking which exhaust sounds the best. Lol.

You know, I'm so out of touch with clutches on these days. Been a long time since I owned my '04 M6, and back then I was looking at an Exedy twin-disc when the time came, but I also saw the price of that clutch doubled a couple years later, along with several other twin disc clutches.

I couldn't find anything about the LT1-S clutch on their site or anywhere else, but it looks like that might be their least expensive twin-disc clutch? Monster makes some good stuff, that much I do know.
 
#30 ·
Wow. I'm not totally surprised if that's true, but still... wow..........
 
#31 ·
I heard this guy was back. What joke about the insurance issue. Has to be true though just like this clowns story cause it's on the internet and if it's on the internet it has to be true. Next thing will be he's a French model .

Ha Ha what a joke.

Enough said : Done again.
 
#38 ·
My friend J.B. has a hard time on account he's an idiot. On Star Trek when they say 'to boldly go where no one has gone before', he thought Boldy Go was another planet. But it's not his fault, his parents are idiots for naming him J.B...and that doesn't even stand for anything, that's the guy's name! J.B.! So on his driver's license form he wrote J only, B only Stewart. It came back to him Jonly Bonly Stewart. So now he's Jonly Bonly from Boldly Go.
 
#42 ·
Haha! Henry Cho... that guy's stand up performance cracked me up when I saw it a few years ago on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_3xxQXgFs


It's like a Real Doll but with cars.
Well you know... anything that's not a C7 isn't worth this guy's time. Even though he has owned one for less than a year, he's untouchable now. :shiner:
 
#47 ·
+1
 
#46 ·
What the heck. I have free time at work right now. I'll post it up again:



From: http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13371953&postcount=322


Here, once again, is the e-mail he had sent me on Sept. 9th, 2009, after he "didn't tune" my car:


And the dyno chart that was attached in the above e-mail:


That alone is enough proof against John's claims. If you need more, go back and read everything else I said in that thread. Not one bit of it is fabricated, but clearly, I can't possibly be telling the truth. Lol. Have a great weekend everyone, I'm off to see a concert. :)
 
#48 ·
....and all it takes is a few minutes of reading post to understand why I really don't frequent the boards too often anymore. Sorry all for never catching up to the pack. Me and the goat are creeping up on the 200k mileage point and doing just fine with the exception of a coolant leak I can't seem to find. Yes, I'm looking around to find a good shop/mechanic to do a nice look over to see if we can get another 100k out of her. Just can't afford the C7 or highly mod world. I hate seeing people at each others throats over some stuff I see. Yes, if I pay for a service, I expect them to do it. If they mess it up, I certainly give them every chance in the world to correct the mistake. I do take note of it. However, at the same time, one person's bad experience is certainly not enough to sway me one way or another.
 
#49 · (Edited)
I'm on the same page as you as far as not getting what you paid for. I'm not saying that you are insinuating that I didn't give Behe a chance, but just to remind everyone, I definitely gave Behe several chances. A few weeks after I got the car back from him tuning it and it blew the ring-lands off the pistons, suspecting the tune, I called him and he immediately denied that it could have possibly been the tune without even going back and looking at what he did. When I later found that it was in fact the tune (after blowing the engine a 2nd time), he again immediately denied it could have been his tune and asked me to e-mail him the tune file so he could review it (he didn't think he had it on his computer anymore). Left him several voicemails and sent several e-mails after a week or so went by, and gave up after a couple months of zero response whatsoever. That's where I drew my line. Not even a, "Hey, when you get your car back together bring it back so I can fix the tune". All he did during our last conversation was deny that 22 degrees of timing advance on a turbo GTO with 93 octane fuel and factory longblock (except blower cam) was too much timing. I don't have a recorded version of all of this, so Jeff and Behe will claim it's a lie. Lol. But I see you're somewhat in the area, so do a little search on posts from others about Behe Performance before deciding where you go. I'm definitely not the only one, but due to their removing of negative reviews in several places you might not ever know just how many others are out there. Which was the purpose of this thread. Just be careful!
 
#50 ·
Cadillac CTS-V issue:

This is a dyno tune from a reputable shop/tuner here in Maryland, one that specializes in tuning Magnuson equipped LS motors ironically enough. This is on a 2004 CTS-V with an LS6, Maggie, LT headers, and cat back exhaust. I started looking at the tune b/c at lower speeds on tip in it felt like a motor mount was broken even with solid mounts already installed.

Long story short, MAF and VE tables are stock (yes, completely stock) PE tables have been raped, O2 sensor rich/lean vs. airflow has been changed, injector flow rate changed but nothing else. Oh, and EVERY O2 sensor DTC for rich, lean, X-counts, slow response, etc have been disabled along with opening up the DTC parameters for the TPS calculated airflow and MAF airflow error. The latter I think is a real slap in the face, you know the MAF and VE tables are wrong so you open up the DTC parameters so a code doesn't set. Total garbage.

All courtesy of John B. of Behe Performance. http://beheperformance.com/


Source:
http://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/1486102-another-500-dyno-tune.html

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DO NOT GO TO BEHE!!!!!! John B is an absolute hack, do NOT let him touch your car. Ryan (the installer) seemed ok, but John has no idea what the hell he is doing AT ALL!

I had a "dyno" tune by BEHE for my V1, which had a Maggie and Kooks 1 7/8" headers. He reported back that it made 487 rwhp (suspiciously much higher than any other V1, BTW) on their Dyno Pack system, which is hub mounted (I have the dyno sheet at home) and said it ran very well. After a few thousand miles of driving it, I could not get over the distinct feeling that there was a broken motor mount, even though I already had solid Creative Steel mounts. I had HP Tuners that I had purchased for another project, and decided to take a look and post it to be analyzed by other HP Tuners users on the Board.

My surprise...$500 for a complete hack job. All of the MAF and VE tables were stock, the PE was raped and commanded 11.6 AFR at 2k RPM's at 18% throttle (that is what I was feeling, BTW). Oh, and he reset the O2 sensor balance point so that it always ran MUCH richer than even what was commanded.

To make thing even worse...JOHN B. DEACTIVATED EVERY DTC FOR THE O2 SENSORS. Slow responce, rich codes, lean codes, cross counts, every trouble code that could save me from potential harm was completely deactivated.


EVERYTHING is right here, even the actual crap tune that cost me $500...Its the one labeled "CTSV LS6 MAGGIE TUNE" and there is the stock tune to compare it with.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagno...dyno-tune.html

I contacted Lindsay Cadillac to tell them about this, they didn't care. For some reason, they keep perpetuating this hack. After I posted the thread to warn others on LS1 Tech, it seems that he has a pretty bad reputation in the industry...especially regarding 60 lb injectors for some reason.

Fran has a great reputation, although I have never used him, I know many people that have. Another very reputable (probably the foremost expert with LSX tuning) is Steve Williams (Tuned by Frost) and he is in Richmond.

Edit: One of the quotes from my other thread: "Let me guess? Behe? hahaha tell him you have a set of 60# injectors you wanna throw in and have him tune. See what his response it."


Source:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2009-2014-cadillac-cts-v-performance/272969-anyone-use-behe-performance.html
 
#51 ·
GTO issue:

OK where to begin.....

First off, I will admit, I made a few mistakes in dealing with BEHE. I should have immediately gone back to them with the problems that I had. However, it's hard for me to take off of work and find someone to trail me to give me a ride back. I made a few trips up to BEHE while my car was being worked on, and every time I needed to ask someone else for a ride, or to come along.

Now about the car...

I talked to John for a good half hour BSing about everything from what's on the radio to his race care to MD speeds car up on the lift. He's a very easy guy to talk to. John told me what to expect from the car. He mentioned the cam trying to find its idle for a bit, but it should even out over time. He said the car was ready to go, the brakes were seated and enjoy the ride home. Well, I get to the first gas station and as I'm turning the wheel and pushing in the clutch the car dies on me. No biggie I think to myself. I take 70 to 15 to get home, I hit a couple of lights on 15 and the cam takes a while to find the idle, it's getting to be a pain, but I wait it out like I was told by John. I get to my friends house to go play some poker, and as I'm in his neighborhood turning around the car stalls out on me two times. Keep in mind, I try not to rev it too much and piss of the neighbors. By now the idle issue is getting a lot worse. This was the last of the stalling. The next day I take it out and post the videos of the cam finding it's idle, you can find it in the beginning of this thread. Those vids were taken at about 5pm or so. Here's the first mistake I made, I should have called up BEHE right then and there to tell them what's up, but I didn't. Within an hour I get a call from Jeremy (LS2 Goat) and he wants me to come down to his area so he can see what's going on. During the drive down there I start to get a little nauseous, the car seems to be running so rich that the exhaust is somehow getting into the car and burning my nose and I have to ride with the windows down. Jeremy takes my car for a ride up and down 95. Immediately he notices something ain't right. He literally cannot drive the car. It's bucking and shacking starting from a stop. We literally look like two 15 year olds driving stick for the first time. We get on the highway and he runs it hard through the gears and it doesn't pull at all. he downshifts, powershifts, you name it, and can't get the wheels to even chirp. When we get back off the highway we come to a stop and he guns it. The car doesn't break traction in first gear. It bogged down hard and stumbled to get above 2000rpm. Once above 2000 it drove better, but still lacked power. In the parking lot at the end of the drive, the car's idle went below 400rpm and you could count for 2 seconds the time between a piston firing. On the way home I had that race with the 350z you can read earlier in the thread.

On to Jeremy helping me out...

That night after Jeremy drove my car, he got on the horn with Mr. X (non sponsor) in NC. Mr. X overnighted me a canned tune ECU that will get my car running comfortably enough for me to get it down to NC so they can give it a full tune. I install it the next day after work and holy shit this beast is alive! I mean it's a night and day difference. Ask Jesse (Grey Goat 86), he was on the phone with me when I installed it, I sounded as giddy as a school girl as soon as I started it up. No searching for an idle, no stuttering below 2000rpm, nothing bad at all, oh, and the car now cleanly breaks traction in first and second gear and chirps 3rd and 4th. Here's where things go really sour with BEHE and why ties were cut. Seeing how Mr. X can get me a canned tune that makes the car run amazingly well, I'd be a dick it I said F-you to Mr X and went back to BEHE. It was very very hard for me, in my mind, to go back to BEHE after they tune my car for 9 hours and can't get a steady idle that progressively got worse the longer you drove it. Mr X gets me a canned tune without meeting me or seeing my car and it is a completely different monster. I talked to BEHE sometime last week and they were 100% willing to help me. I told them it's hard for me to get up there and get a ride. They offered to tow my car up there and all that jazz. That's cool and I appreciate that, but here's where things go bad. BEHE wanted me to bring my car up with Mr X's tune still in it so they can compare it against their own tune on my car. I saw red flags immediately. I will not lose Mr X's or Jeremy's trust that they have put into me by taking my car to BEHE and them possibly altering, or even copying Mr X's tune. And it kinda irked me when BEHE posted up that my car should be making 500hp at the crank and 440-450 at the wheels. Jeremy and Ed Curtis helped me set up my car for 500hp to the wheels. Oh, and Jeremy and I can't lie, I gotta clear this up...we did have to touch the fuel line under the hood, he stated earlier that we didn't mess with anything. We had to install a Walbro Fuel Pump that BEHE didn't install. It was in the box with my injector adapters and it came back still wrapped up in bubble wrap.

To everyone who said I should give BEHE a second chance, I hope this helps in my reasoning. If not, I'm sorry, I don't think I can make it any clearer. I jumped the gun trying to find a solution, the problem is, this temporary solution is getting me on the right path to get where I want to be. Believe it or not, but it's easier for me to make a 5 hour drive to NC than the 1 hour it takes to get to BEHE simply because Mr X is open on the weekends. That pretty much was the deal breaker, I know most of you aren't going to like it, but in all honesty, my mind is made up and all those opinions out there won't matter. This is all a done deal now, I'm heading down to NC in about a week or two.

Thanks to BEHE (hey, they did a good job installing my parts), Jeremy, Jesse, Zach, and Ed Curtis. This one will be chalked up as a lesson learned. I learned a lot about this car from the very beginning of my build process last summer to the fiasco that is going on now. I know I left out quite a few things on here, but it's in my best interest to not turn this into a bashing thread on anyone at all, it doesn't matter what happened here, we are all still human, and this arguing and pissing in the wind is over a car.<---Wow, I'm turning into a bitch.

-Greg


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http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307950&page=4

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"Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash."----Seems to me you've already done that. You want to come on here talking this big shit about all these other cars when the car we are talking about is Greg's. How do you let a car come out of the shop stalling and as poorly tuned as it was and call it ok? That's right you rushed it out because you had to get to the big race down in Richmond, The one that's at a "national level in a very complex and competitive class"--but hey its not about the money is it? That's just bad business right there John, come on man. How is it that you spend "9 hours" tuning a heads/cam full bolt on car and it don't drive worth a shit? I thought you were all about drivability; I can pull your posts about this if you want. You come on here starting threads talking shit about fixing tunes form other tuners but when it happens to be you who's tune is getting fixed, you cry and expect sympathy?? You spent 9 smurfing hours tuning this car and it ran like ass and didn't have any go whatsoever, not to mention the power-steering reservoir riding the pulley and the catch-can that was installed wrong. We threw a new computer in with a "rough" tune made in an hour and have better drivability (which you pride yourself in) and power than what you did--come on oh great tuner God John--If you'd like we can schedule a meet and throw the old computer in with your tune and let everyone see what a hack job it is---I don't think you'd like that, it'd be very bad for business--Once again the tuner never even saw the car, went off a list of mods, and made it more drivable than you ever could. I think I'll stop here for now and let you comprehend this...It may take a while.

BTW thanks for reporting me for my signature violation and having my tuners number in it, LOL, what a joke man, I'd expect nothing less from you. I've got nothing to prove here, people know me and my reputation and can take from this what they want. I call it like I see it. You ripped a customer off and are now dealing with the consequences (but hey, its not about the money ). Your lucky Greg is such a nice guy cause if it was me I'd be in jail for proving my point....CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP..Good job John, give yourself a pat on the back. Oh and see you guys after a while...I know I'm getting banned. If you need to get ahold of me there are people who have my number.

Jeremy


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http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310493&highlight=
 
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