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Old 08-23-2007, 07:14 PM   #1
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Mobil 1 vs Quaker State

This morning I took my car to dealership to have all 4 wheel aligned.
I figured after 1,800 miles I was due for first oil change.
Dealer asked me what kind of synthetic oil wanted in there, and after he mentioned Mobil 1, I simply cut him off before he could mention anything else and said "only the best" thinking that they will only use Mobil 1 in our cars. After my car was done, on the way back home I'm looking at the service paper and I see that they put Quaker State full synthetic oil in there. I thought only Mobil 1 would be appropriate oil for our cars or is Quaker State really that better then Mobil 1 ?

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mobil1 0w40 for me. or castrol german.

not that quaker state is bad or anything, because I have no idea.
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now that its "recommended by Ferrari for every oil change" I think that Q stuff will sell a lot better. Whether it actually is or not, i dont know.
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If you google Mobile 1, it is no longer a Group II oil. It was broke down and it is somewhere around 70% Group III


Group II=Synthetic
Group III=Regular oil

I got M1 in the goat right now, but i signed up for the "first drivers club" from Car and Driver. They sent me $60 worth of Castrol Platinum. Gonna give it a try.
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I dont think I would trust Google then, the bottle of Mobile 1 that were used in my GTO on the last two oil changes all say full synthetic on the bottle.

I am sure due to liability and or marketing that I doubt that Mobile is going to market the Mobile 1 as a full synthetic and put dino oil in the bottles.

My dealer puts Mobile 1 in my car because the owners manual calls for it and it was what the car was factory filled with and the oil cap says it as well. All of my oil changes are covered for life thru my dealer plus tire rotations and the motor has a lifetime warranty on failure. All for $400 for the service package I bought. It costs $50 per oil change for the filter and oil so I figure that 8 oil changes I have made my money back on what I spent on the oil change program.
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Mobil 1 FTW. It's the original synthetic oil by the people who invented it. It says you gotta use it on the filler cap.
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Knowing nothing about Quaker State, I'd stick to the Mobil 1...
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Unless something has changed since the last time I looked, the only off the shelf oils that meet GM spec for the Ls2 motor are Penzoil Platinum and Mobil 1 regular( no the extended performance version).
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I'm sure it'll be fine until your next change in 3000 miles, but you could call the service manager and ask him why they put in something other than what is recomended in the manual. They will probably offer to switch it for you if you want them to.
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Amsoil FTW.

Amsoil Corporation was founded in 1973 and invented synthetic lubrication for automobiles. Imitators such as Mobil 1, followed. Simply put there are no finer lubricants available and lubricants are the life blood of your car. If performance, long life and more MPG, not to mention your gun rights, are important to you, then you owe it to yourself to check Amsoil out.
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Amsoil FTW.

Amsoil Corporation was founded in 1973 and invented synthetic lubrication for automobiles. Imitators such as Mobil 1, followed. Simply put there are no finer lubricants available and lubricants are the life blood of your car. If performance, long life and more MPG, not to mention your gun rights, are important to you, then you owe it to yourself to check Amsoil out.

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If you google Mobile 1, it is no longer a Group II oil. It was broke down and it is somewhere around 70% Group III


Group II=Synthetic
Group III=Regular oil

I got M1 in the goat right now, but i signed up for the "first drivers club" from Car and Driver. They sent me $60 worth of Castrol Platinum. Gonna give it a try.

So many things wrong with this post.

You've got your Groups wrong. Big time. M1 used to be Group IV, but is now a Group III. One of the few Group IV still made is GC (German Castrol).

The C&D Promotion was for Pennzoil Platinum. There is no such product as Castrol Platinum.
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As often as people change their oil, I dont think it matters.
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Amsoil FTW.

Amsoil Corporation was founded in 1973 and invented synthetic lubrication for automobiles. Imitators such as Mobil 1, followed. Simply put there are no finer lubricants available and lubricants are the life blood of your car. If performance, long life and more MPG, not to mention your gun rights, are important to you, then you owe it to yourself to check Amsoil out.

I wouldn't exactly call Mobil 1 an imitator. They were one of the first oil companies to mass market synthetic oil.
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:06 AM   #15
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Only two GM "approved" oils. Mobile 1 and penzoil Platinum. Until the warrantee is gone I'm sticking with one of them.
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pawz is right.

Something to keep in mind is the word synthetic no longer has the same meaning. M1 changed and is now a G3.

Just like the Weight Rating has become a little vague with German Castrol being thicker then most.

The oil the dealer poured in is not going to hurt anything. Just don’t run it for 10K.

The best site in the world for this is here. http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Take a look at the Used Oil Analysis - Gasoline and Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Cars/Pickups/Vans/SUVs sections.

It gets pretty confusing at times and as with any internet site opinions are like A..holes, everyone has one.

In the used oil analysis your looking to see which oils shear properties are holding up and have the least amount of heavy metals.

The one thing I’ve learned lately is the M1 0w-40 shears pretty quick but then stabilizes.

Another good read, http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1791708
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Another good read, http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1791708

EDIT: removed original comment intended for comedic/shock value. this guy knows his stuff.

this guy comes off sounding a little arrogant, but this is probably one of the best oil summaries that i've read. i guess anybody this knowledgeable (not to mention a very successful doctor, and obviously a serious car guy) has earned the right to be. good read either way!

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well I think Castrol 10w-30 is great. can u tell the diff not sure, i will only use that brand and Amsoil has a great line of products and the servise is the best you can find hands down.
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IMO all this oil talk is ridiculous. I have a novel idea. Use a high quality brand product (i.e. mobil, QS, etc) and CHANGE it OFTEN (every 2k miles) and use a good filter and you will be fine. Oh and check your levels too...some people forget to do that and spin a bearing and then its either the oil company's fault or GM's.

No offense but there are a bunch of threads pertaining to which oil to use. IMO what is more important is the frequency of change, filter used and oil weight. If you attend to these, I can't fathom you will ever have an oil breakdown problem no matter which synthetic brand you use.
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Mobile 1 ftw
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IMO all this oil talk is ridiculous. I have a novel idea. Use a high quality brand product (i.e. mobil, QS, etc) and CHANGE it OFTEN (every 2k miles) and use a good filter and you will be fine. Oh and check your levels too...some people forget to do that and spin a bearing and then its either the oil company's fault or GM's.

No offense but there are a bunch of threads pertaining to which oil to use. IMO what is more important is the frequency of change, filter used and oil weight. If you attend to these, I can't fathom you will ever have an oil breakdown problem no matter which synthetic brand you use.

I agree with everything you said, except the 2k miles part. ANY full synthetic oil will be good on these cars up to 5k. Use a quality filter (IE not Fram) and check oil at every fuel up. When you get to extended OCIs is where quality of oil matters. I run GC up to 6k. I could go more, but I don't see a need to.
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IMO all this oil talk is ridiculous. I have a novel idea. Use a high quality brand product (i.e. mobil, QS, etc) and CHANGE it OFTEN (every 2k miles) and use a good filter and you will be fine. Oh and check your levels too...some people forget to do that and spin a bearing and then its either the oil company's fault or GM's.

No offense but there are a bunch of threads pertaining to which oil to use. IMO what is more important is the frequency of change, filter used and oil weight. If you attend to these, I can't fathom you will ever have an oil breakdown problem no matter which synthetic brand you use.

an excellent point. if you're using a quality synthetic oil--then it's a little bit like splitting hairs when debating which is best, they'll all do a great job at protecting your engine. however, on bitog it has been shown repeatedly that certain oils can result in significantly lower wear than others, and some oils can have longer change intervals than others.

there are a fair number of people here obsessed with optimizing the performance of the oil in their engines to extend drain intervals (and therefore save a little money), or simply for the peace of mind that comes with believing that they have the "best" oil in their engine. i see nothing wrong with some healthy discussion to that end.
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I agree with everything you said, except the 2k miles part. ANY full synthetic oil will be good on these cars up to 5k. Use a quality filter (IE not Fram) and check oil at every fuel up. When you get to extended OCIs is where quality of oil matters. I run GC up to 6k. I could go more, but I don't see a need to.

No way I will run my heavily modded car past 2k-3k miles tops. I have NEVER heard of anyone breaking down or having problems because they changed their oil TOO often. If anything it is cheap insurance in the long run IMO.

I agree that the oils are made for extended mileage but maybe if mine was stock I would do that but with a large cam, heads and full bolts on's almost, I put faith in changing the oil often.

It must also be known that this isn't my DD and therefore it would take 3-4 months before hitting 2k miles as well or maybe longer.

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No way I will run my heavily modded car past 2k-3k miles tops. I have NEVER heard of anyone breaking down or having problems because they changed their oil TOO often. If anything it is cheap insurance in the long run IMO.

I agree that the oils are made for extended mileage but maybe if mine was stock I would do that but with a large cam, heads and full bolts on's almost, I put faith in changing the oil often.

It must also be known that this isn't my DD and therefore it would take 3-4 months before hitting 2k miles as well or maybe longer.

Point taken. On an extremely modded car as yours, I would do 2k or 3k max oil changes as well. On a stock, or relatively stock engine, 5k is fine. On a rarely driven car, I would do changes by time vs miles. I would say at least once per year, preferably 2x a year.

edit: Just to add, anyone with a modded engine is going to be more meticulous with their maintenance, after all, they have a large investment in the engine they want to protect. They are also not going to be on car forums asking general questions about oil. For the average Joe, driving to work and back with a stock engine, a 2k change is overkill. I just wanted to make that point. There is certainly nothing wrong with changing the oil too early, and for some cars (yours in particular) it is mandatory.

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Amsoil seems to be on top of nearly every comparison tests, so I use the 0w30 now. Valvoline synthetic rates high too.
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I still don't understand why you are comparing synthetic oil to oatmeal.
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Royal purple is the only thing I use,5w30.That stuff is like gold.Amsoil is crap.
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As long as the oil is GM approved it won't matter what type synthetic oil is used.

Everyone has their own preferences on oil, the same with car manufacturers. For the specifications of the engine, Mobil most probably gave GM the best deal on oil in contract and GM recommends them. If Valvoline, Penzoil, Q.S. etc gave GM the best deal people would be asking if Mobil 1 is ok to use.

As long as it meets GM requirements Q.S. and alike are fine to use.
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If you google Mobile 1, it is no longer a Group II oil. It was broke down and it is somewhere around 70% Group III


Group II=Synthetic
Group III=Regular oil

I got M1 in the goat right now, but i signed up for the "first drivers club" from Car and Driver. They sent me $60 worth of Castrol Platinum. Gonna give it a try.

Correction, you have it backwards.
Group II=Conventional Oil
Group III=Synthetic Oil

And no...no way is Mobil 1 Group II base stock.
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Royal purple is the only thing I use,5w30.That stuff is like gold.Amsoil is crap.

Here's a link comparing nearly all the oils, synthetic and petroleum based. Notice Amsoil is at or near the top of each comparison, while RP isn't any better than even some generic off the shelf petroleum based oils.

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