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Old 12-22-2008, 01:16 AM   #1
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Camshaft Setup

Hello all........


I'm ready to get a cam kit for my car. Keep in mind I want every supporting mod possible. BTW I already have full boltons on the car.

So far I'm thinking of the vengeance VXR5 camshaft.

I need some suggestions on the following:

Pushrods- What length will I need??
Dual Valve Springs- What brands are good?
Rocker Arms- Thinking of "yella terras"- what size?
Double Roller Timing Chain- What kind???
Lifters- Size? Brand?
Titanium Retainers- Size? Brand?
Oil Pump?
Fuel Pump?
Fuel Rails?- I already have the fast fuel kit
Catch Can?
Injectors?

I have a ported ls2 intake and I realize a fast 90 is much better as I will be upgrading to a ported fast in the future.

I have a ported OEM throttle body would a fast or nick williams throttle body have any significant gains over mine???

Any other mods anyone can think of that would help me squeeze every last bit of hp/tq out of my car???


Again this is not a budget install so price doesn't matter I just want to get every mod possible as make AS MUCH POWER AS POSSIBLE before I do a fast 90 and heads.



Any input would be a lot of help. Thanks!
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Old 12-22-2008, 02:13 AM   #2
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standard length 7.4 pushrods will be fine
PRC and Patriot make great dual spring kits for a good price,got a PRC kit on my Ls2 and it takes a beating from the Magic stick 3
Rocker Arms can be left stock OEM are good can even be upgraded by harland sharp or you can buy scorpions which seem to be popular with limited problems
rest of the questions somebody else can answer,lifters are tricky because they take alot of abuse from a high lift cam and the OEM ones from what I hear are not all that durable
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Hello all........

I'm ready to get a cam kit for my car. Keep in mind I want every supporting mod possible. BTW I already have full boltons on the car.

So far I'm thinking of the vengeance VXR5 camshaft.

I need some suggestions on the following:

Pushrods- What length will I need??
Dual Valve Springs- What brands are good?
Rocker Arms- Thinking of "yella terras"- what size?
Double Roller Timing Chain- What kind???
Lifters- Size? Brand?
Titanium Retainers- Size? Brand?
Oil Pump?
Fuel Pump?
Fuel Rails?- I already have the fast fuel kit
Catch Can?
Injectors?

I have a ported ls2 intake and I realize a fast 90 is much better as I will be upgrading to a ported fast in the future.

I have a ported OEM throttle body would a fast or nick williams throttle body have any significant gains over mine???

Any other mods anyone can think of that would help me squeeze every last bit of hp/tq out of my car???

Again this is not a budget install so price doesn't matter I just want to get every mod possible as make AS MUCH POWER AS POSSIBLE before I do a fast 90 and heads.

Any input would be a lot of help. Thanks!


If you're open to something designed for your particular application, let me know. We have many camshaft packages that feature premium valvetrain pieces like PAC Racing valve springs and our own heavy-wall push rods.

Here's a couple of examples of two of the more popular kits and their contents.

LSX “StreetBeast” Custom Camshaft Kit
Our most popular dual purpose grinds. Big torque and power maker.
Custom “StreetBeast” Series Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
PAC Racing 1218 Beehive Valve Springs - Max Lift .600”
FTI Seven Degree Chromemoly Retainers
FTI Hardened Seven Degree Valve Locks
Steel Shelled Viton Valve Stem Seals
FTI Pro-Series Hardened Pushrods
$865 complete, with FREE shipping!

LSX “StreetSweeper” Custom Camshaft Kit
Powerful grinds that set the bar for LSX camshafts
Custom “StreetSweeper” Series Hydraulic Roller Camshaft
PAC Racing 1518 Beehive Valve Springs - Max Lift .650”
FTI Seven Degree Chromemoly Retainers
FTI Hardened Seven Degree Valve Locks
Steel Shelled Viton Valve Stem Seals
FTI Pro-Series Hardened Pushrods
$975 with FREE shipping!

All our camshaft kit utilize high quality, US manufactured products and no inferior imported parts. We can also provide any of the peripherals you'll need so just let me know.

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Old 12-22-2008, 02:08 PM   #4
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Bump..... what about additional supporting mods?
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Pushrods- What length will I need?? 7.4 should work...Always best to check first though.
Dual Valve Springs- What brands are good? PRC has a spring and pushrod kit. Great way to go.
Rocker Arms- Thinking of "yella terras"- what size?Stock, or have Harland Sharp upgrade the stock rockers
Double Roller Timing Chain- What kind??? ???
Lifters- Size? Brand? Stock
Titanium Retainers- Size? Brand? Comes with spring kit
Oil Pump? stock unless you're going all out on the motor
Fuel Pump? stock unless you're going all out on the motor
Fuel Rails?- I already have the fast fuel kit Use what you have
Catch Can? Completely optional
Injectors? stock unless you're going all out on the motor
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:30 PM   #6
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So your saying the oil pump, fuel pump, injectors and lifters aren't worth upgrading??


I might be planning on a 150 shot of spray in the future.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:32 PM   #7
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So your saying the oil pump, fuel pump, injectors and lifters aren't worth upgrading??


I might be planning on a 150 shot of spray in the future.

I am using a stock fuel pump on my 427 Stroker....no problems at all. I'm also using stock lifters in the 427....again no issues. The oil pump is up to you. It's a real pain in the ass. Some people replace them, some don't. It would be very highly doubtful to over work your injectors with just a cam swap.
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Old 12-23-2008, 11:06 PM   #10
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:12 AM   #11
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About two years ago I was in a similar position you are right now. I read, searched this and that and even then I did not see even a 10% of what I should have known to make the right decision. My answer to your question is very simple. Buy from Ed above and my choice would be the "Streetsweeper" package. It is all you need and all you ever dreamed about. I will try to explain why now that I know a little bit more than I did about 2 years ago.

Back then I did receive an e-mail from Ed much like his post above. I read it and did not know enough to be able to see the full significance.

Let's, for the moment, forget about the grind itself and look deeper into the other components of his package. Let´s start from the the last step in the proposed swap, pushrods. Just recently I have come to know and understand the importance of good quality pushrods. There are many pushrods designs. For example take a look at the Manton pushrods website, http://www.mantonpushrods.com/ There you will find a good description of the significance, importance and proper function of pushrods. Ed's pushrods are not the everyday run of the mill kind. For one, they are tapered pushrods. Why is this important? Because they distribute the forces much better and prevent pushrod binding with the rockers cups, if you are using, and you should use, roller rockers. Pushrod lenght is important as well to protect the whole valvetrain, lifters and the cam itself.

Retainers, locks and seals. His are top quality. Why would this be of any concern? Because these parts absorb much of the stress upon function, especially the valve seals which may and do experience lateral forces as the pushrods move those valves up and down. These parts fatigue with time and could fail. The quality of these parts should not be overlooked.

Springs vary in their brittleness as a function of temperature. Springs do take punishment from the hight lift cams and it is obvious you do not want any failure coming from this component of your valvetrain. Ed provides you with worry free springs.

Last let's talk about the grind. Independent of duration and lift absolute values the design of the lobes ramps is important in both determining performance and response. The grind itself will obviously determine the performance and it is closely related to both the engine tyoe and cylinder head configuration. Ed knows exactly what you need for your particular set up. There is no way me or most anyone else in this forum can match Ed's experience and deep knowledge on the subject. After all he is our resident heads and cam guru. The particular grind is something to talk over with him.

Above all the choice of a cam is not soemthing one should address with an out of the shelf product. The whole package has to be conceived with thorough and comprehensive understanding as applied to your particular set up.

Finally, yes, two years ago I did not buy from Ed and went for an out of the shelf cam in a situation where I felt most comfortable relative to my understanding. Nevertheless, my understanding was limited and wrong, very distant of what it should be. At present with a little more experience and knowledge I did turn to Ed for my present cam.

That aside, installation by someone who really knows his stuff is very important. No package, however brilliantly conceived, is going to work properly and safe without an educated install. It takes special tools, special precedures and detailed measurements and torque specifications. First step is to measure the cam baseline circle of your new and old cams. Last step is to determine the proper pushrod length. Don't forget that.

If you are going to replace lifters. Just one word: Morels.

Yella Terra are fine. Talk to Ed for other choices.

For pump and timing chain: SLP timing chain and oil pump package. Do not use the optional spring.

Fuel injectors OEM should be fine, but in any case you will see that while doing the custom tune you will need.

Catch can, a must. Get a good one that will not fall apart inside. I use the AMW catch can.

I take the time to write the above in the interest that you do not make the same mistakes I did two years ago.

Good luck with your project.

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Old 07-05-2009, 10:29 PM   #12
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Can't seen to get ahold of Ed @ Flowtech.

Anyone know how to require a set of pushrods from him?
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:53 PM   #13
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Can't seen to get ahold of Ed @ Flowtech.

Anyone know how to require a set of pushrods from him?


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