After no updates in a while, theres soo much speculation going on, people would think KB blew up, and burned to the ground.. But we deserve it.. We did not update you as you deserved to be updated.
First off, I would like to extend my sincere appologies for not logging on, and updating everyone to its progress. By not doing so, it has cause massive spculation, and down right lies AND mis-information..
Due to our non vendor status, I must refrain from any/all pricing.
The System:
It is 100% completed... Let me repeat...It is 100% completed..
Just a brief synopsis as to what has happened over the last few months. Roughly a few weeks prior the scheduled release of the GTO kit, I made the stupid decision of releasing the C6 Corvette Kit. I "Assumed" that it would be a seamless, and fluid process. Well, it was the exact opposite. Not only was the responce overwhelming, but we were unable to handle the workload. This caused a severe bottle neck in the flow of business.
When this happened, we were forced to set the GTO and G8 kit aside, until we cleaned our plate. Well, it didnt get cleaned. Our work just kept coming in. This just added to the bottleneck.
The philosophy of my business is, is I will NOT release a system until it has been tested, and confirmed. On the C6 kit, we designed it around the 2005, and NOT the 2006. We weren't prepared for the differences. We were forced to modify these on the fly. This is now a non-issue, and has been completely handled. We are currently beginning preperations of building 5 new C6's
Now that the C6 system is in full swing, we have been able to focus our attention back to the GTO kit. As I said earlier, the GTO kit is complete in every sense of the word. There is only 2 things that need to be done in order to sign off on the system.
1) Break down each and evey part, catagorize it in a install group, and issue it an internal part number.
2) Complete a dry run on a STOCK GTO.. (basically a production install)
Once these 2 processes are completed, I will sign off on the system.
Sooooo, any other people who have been telling you information, is either lying, or misinformed..
My company has teamed up with "East Texas Muscle Cars". Based on the shops we have interviewed, we feel they are some of the most qualified GTO builders in the country. Stephen (the owner) and I have been in constant communication. I will be flying out to Texas right around the beginning of Feb, in order to assist them on installing a C6 corvette kit, AND (time permitting) do a complete install on a GTO. ANYONE in that area, is free to stop by, and take as many pictures and video as you'd like.. (provided its ok with ETMC)
Once completed, I will be working closely with ETMC to have a huge promotion. Along with this, they are currently authorized distributors of ALL our systems, and will carry our product in stock, at all times..
THE KIT WILL NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR 10-12 GRAND INSTALLED..
As a matter of fact it will be quite close to the original estimates. Possibly even exact.. But remember, as with ANY system, you have options of 8 rib pulley systems, racing heat exchanger, larger injectors, etc etc etc... We have yet to break down each part, in order to factor in the final price. But my estimates are REALLLL close.
We were contacted by the editior of High Performance Pontiac magazine, and have agreed to give them FULL ACCESS to a complete build up, and editorial drive. So, be looking out in a future article.
Now, there are a few members (and even one sponsor) who has a personal bone to pick. So I've already heard about being called out on a dyno test, or street test, etc etc etc... None of that matters to me, my company, or the principals of Kenne Bell at all.
So we have ZERO desire to repeat tests, that have already been done, and proven the KB is the most efficient PD blower on the market.
Again, I appologize for not updating everyone sooner, or making the release date. But it IS coming, it WILL be cheaper than the competition (of comparible size blower), and it WILL make more power than other comparible size PD blowers..
Its not that much longer guys. I promise you, once you have it installed, you will forget about the journey it took to get there.
Timeline???? I dont want to put myself out there to get my nuts chopped off again. But it will be fairly soon..
I will do my best to post a complete layout of pictures (if permitted by admin) some time by the end of next week.. This way, all of the naysayers can have a look for themselves, and explain to all the other people they have told that their "Sources", were incorrect..
If that doesnt make you warm and fuzzy. Please feel free to call Kenne Bell superchargers, an ask the sales dept where they can but a GTO system..
On a side note, we JUST received the LS3 manifolds today.. This is MONUMENTAL for this system. Cause it allows us to allow manifold swaps for the guys who are running different heads. We will also have LS7 manifolds in the next 2-3 weeks..
I will do my best to answer any questions you might have, and I will see to it that the miscommunication does NOT happen again. If it doesnt come from ME personally, or Stephen at East Texas Muscle Cars, consider it invalid..
If you buy a kit and want 18psi, then we give you the first one for free that will net you 18psi. If you want 6psi, then we give you a 6psi pulley.. The 6-rib pulleys go in 1psi increments, and the 8-rib pulleys, go in 1/4" increments (roughly 2psi for every 1/4".
Its not uncommon to see mid 500'srwhp/mid 500's rwtq.
This is a STOCK LS2 C6 we just finished. The ONLY thing done to the car, was upgraded valvesprings. Other than that, its a bone freaking stock A6, with 2.56 rear gears..The worst tranny, and the worst gears you could get..
Its running a base 2.6L KB, on 91octane, roughly 9psi.
That is one of the HUGE reasons we are soo excited that we finally got the LS3 manifold. We couldnt get it until we had that. We will have a Carb EO for everything from 2008 and earlier..
That is one of the HUGE reasons we are soo excited that we finally got the LS3 manifold. We couldnt get it until we had that. We will have a Carb EO for everything from 2008 and earlier..
I also heard a rumor that you guys were doing a right now deal were I can trade my slightly used STS kit for your unit straight up. Id like to sign up for that one. pm me so we can exchange mailing adresses ;-) , naww kit is gonna be sick man . Thanks for all the info.
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Rwhp = 444
Tq. = 443
@ 5 PSI
1996 SVT Cobra - Vortech Stage 1 S/C - Bassani X Pipe - Flowmaster Catback - Pro 5.0 Shortshifter - BBK Drop Springs .
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ALL new units will be warrantied for 1 year from the date of purchase. IF the kit is installed by one of our authorized dealers, TPE extends that warranty out 1 ADDITIONAL year..
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Originally Posted by camarossx1999...
j/w some of the other rumors were that this product wasn't going to be warranted by kenny bell?
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I also heard a rumor that you guys were doing a right now deal were I can trade my slightly used STS kit for your unit straight up. Id like to sign up for that one. pm me so we can exchange mailing adresses ;-) , naww kit is gonna be sick man . Thanks for all the info.
hey steven, i want one of these hopefully they will be out when i send my goat your way
what rwhp do you expect to see on a stock ls2 with a 2.6L ?
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Originally Posted by Animalwarfest...
my dad doesn't let me take the car out on weekends Duh!
13.4 @ 105.8mph 2.1 60ft (before mods, 2000ft DA)
MSD wires, LoneStar ported TB & Intake, Corsa Sport Cat back (mufflers removed) Tuned by Waltred 360/353
Torrid Red/Black/M6/17 1 of 641 "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." ~Who cares~
Also, I contacted KB who said they have nothing to do with this. Which begs the question as to whether KB will be involved in any warranty claims.
Not that this is bad, just sayin'.
BTW, how much power do you think can be made with this system on larger cube forged motors?
Here is the exact email I got from kenne bell:
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Rob,
I'm not sure where GTO owners are hearing this but we've been getting a lot of questions about it. We ARE NOT making a GTO kit, never have and don't plan to in the future. Total Performance Engineering our of Nevada is using our Corvette kit to attempt a GTO specific kit. Other than our product being re-engineered to fit the GTO we have no involvement in this and therefore have no information about it. You'll have to contact Jeff Gooss about any GTO information.
Now, there are a few members (and even one sponsor) who has a personal bone to pick. So I've already heard about being called out on a dyno test, or street test, etc etc etc... None of that matters to me, my company, or the principals of Kenne Bell at all.
So we have ZERO desire to repeat tests, that have already been done, and proven the KB is the most efficient PD blower on the market.
Jeff
TPE
Well Jeff, nice to see you here. Since we are not on a forum that you are a sponsor on I guess we can now have an open discussion.
As per the back to back testing do you have something to hide? If it does not matter too you, I hate to say it.....It matters to the public? So, as I stated on the other forums that you had me banned from......
How about it, TVS 2300 VS the 2.3 KB Screw? The people on THIS forum are hardcore racers and do come from a "show me" kind of mentality.
As for the data, I have posted it many times and the charts and graphs DO NOT LIE. The TVS 2300 is far more efficient in both VE and AE. View them.
I've seen many times where the "new guy" will challenge the guy that has been around for a while, and the old guy has nothing to gain by the challenge so they back down. This seems to be the opposite. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but if Brian is the "incumbent" and is willing to challenge, they must have something good on their hands in the TVS line.
I want to see some comparisons. And this is from a 112 owner who is strongly considering upgrading this spring.
I am intrigued by the KB, but so far the TVS is winning me over.
Well Jeff, nice to see you here. Since we are not on a forum that you are a sponsor on I guess we can now have an open discussion.
As per the back to back testing do you have something to hide? If it does not matter too you, I hate to say it.....It matters to the public? So, as I stated on the other forums that you had me banned from......
How about it, TVS 2300 VS the 2.3 KB Screw? The people on THIS forum are hardcore racers and do come from a "show me" kind of mentality.
As for the data, I have posted it many times and the charts and graphs DO NOT LIE. The TVS 2300 is far more efficient in both VE and AE. View them.
you hit the nail ont he head. i will not buy something unless its proven with dnyo sheets and track videos
Kind of a lot of discussion/ speculation for two kits that don't even exist. Maybe the best way to get the truth behind which mythical kit is better would be for either company to actually bring theirs to market.
That way we could actually put it on a car.
Until then it is just more of the same hype.
As for Magnacharger, how cute they actually built a 2.3 blower. Now they want to match it vs. a 2.3 from KB. I don't even think KB makes the 2.3 anymore. Did Brian want to take a nice big swing at the 2.8H? I don't think Brian wants any part of the "best vs best comparison"
That doesn't really matter though, Magnuson has always been known for making the best quality kits out there. The headache free F/I. Now with the added bonus of the TVS, maybe Brian could actually supply evidence this is being built for cathedral port heads though. To date I don't recall any evidence the TVS kit has ever been mated to an old style head. With the new Camaro on it's way and sure to make an aftermarket splash, the L92 style is the clear winner on return on ivestment.
As it is right now the MP122 is still the best blower for the GTO, until either one of you actually produce a better alternative I can say from the outside looking in, you both look like you are writing checks, you can't cash. Seems to me like a pretty easy battle to win, the first company to actually deliver will certainly have many curious customers and basically win by default.
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2000 Ford Lightning 13.05@104
4lb. lower pulley, FTVB, 305/45/18 Nitto drag radials, cat-back, Installed and tuned in a van down by the river
2005 A4 Yellow Jacket GTO
12.25@110-N/A
11.16@123-N2O
224/228 Comp XER cam, Kooks 1 7/8" coated and catted LT's,x-pipe, DMH cutouts, 160 T-stat, K&N drop-in, UD pulley, ported TB & manifold, YANK SS3600, B&M Supercooler, 265/40/18 ET street radials, Optima red top, Installed and tuned- in a van down by the river
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hey steven, i want one of these hopefully they will be out when i send my goat your way
what rwhp do you expect to see on a stock ls2 with a 2.6L ?
LOL make up your mind!
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Well Jeff, nice to see you here. Since we are not on a forum that you are a sponsor on I guess we can now have an open discussion.
As per the back to back testing do you have something to hide? If it does not matter too you, I hate to say it.....It matters to the public? So, as I stated on the other forums that you had me banned from......
How about it, TVS 2300 VS the 2.3 KB Screw? The people on THIS forum are hardcore racers and do come from a "show me" kind of mentality.
As for the data, I have posted it many times and the charts and graphs DO NOT LIE. The TVS 2300 is far more efficient in both VE and AE. View them.
you know what, youre 100% correct.
if KB doesnt want to redo the test maybe they do have something to hide? who knows.... its time for everyone to put their flamesuit on
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This is MONUMENTAL for this system. Cause it allows us to allow manifold swaps for the guys who are running different heads. We will also have LS7 manifolds in the next 2-3 weeks..
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