Damn I wish I had the problem of having to make that decision. Personally, while I love the Terminators, I'd go with the Supra. I had a MKIII, which I had planned on doing a 2JZ-GTE swap with, but my wallet wasn't as amibitious as my brain at the time. I will always love Supras, and I hope to one day own another. Killer cars for sure, and still look amazing even for being 12+ years old.
Stupid Poopras have no torque whatsoever. You only *think* they're making outrageous power based on the fact that they pull harder from a roll than most high-output V8s do from a dig.
I luv the looks of a supra no doubt, but i want sum tq with my hp.... the owner of the shop that built my GOAT has a brother. His brother owns the WOTM supra (silver 1) "youtube it " he maxed out the dyno jet @ 1500whp.. I was amazed! But it only made like 8-900tq .. i was thinking "DAMN THAT SUX"
I luv/respect supras but my vote would be twin turbo terminator ! Cant go wrong with a forged short block. Plus with the cobra looking more like a run-of-the-mill mustang, youd have more of a sleeper, which is what id want. Be faster than ppl expect you 2 be
I luv the looks of a supra no doubt, but i want sum tq with my hp.... the owner of the shop that built my GOAT has a brother. His brother owns the WOTM supra (silver 1) "youtube it " he maxed out the dyno jet @ 1500whp.. I was amazed! But it only made like 8-900tq .. i was thinking "DAMN THAT SUX"
yeah 800-900 trq is for lowjoies
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But it only made like 8-900tq .. i was thinking "DAMN THAT SUX"
Yeah. Oh yeah. That sucks. Jesus. 900lb.-ft. of torque? Goddamn. That guy must just hate life. I bet he wishes he owned, like, I dunno - a car that makes more torque.
Yeah. Oh yeah. That sucks. Jesus. 900lb.-ft. of torque? Goddamn. That guy must just hate life. I bet he wishes he owned, like, I dunno - a car that makes more torque.
Or something.
Stab my eyes.
man having that low of torque must suck especially runnings 8's i feel bad for that guy if he had the v8 powa he would be running 5's
Personally I would take a Supra over the Mustang. The interior on the Mustang is a deal breaker for me. I do know of a local selling a lowmilage 98 Quicksilver but isn't an auto.
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Test drive them both and you tell us. Both would be amazing cars, but I personally don't buy a car unless I fall in love with the driving characteristics. I test drove a cobra a couple of years ago and I felt one with the car. I owned a 300zx at the time and my first shift of the transmission in the cobra seemed smoother than any I made in the 300zx, almost as if the motor and trans were made for me. I didn't get the car cause it cost too much but needless to say drive both and fall in love with one. I personally have a hard on for twin turbo 6's, but v8 supercharged aint shabby. Haven't driven one but I will go ahead and say supra.
Point is, which should be obvious is that an optimized set up for any car especially heavy ones, should not be so hp bias. This works for the supra because its gutted and a dedicated 1/4 mile car.
I mean how much tq would a lsx block making 1500whp have?... Properly setup Im sure it would be far more than 800tq.
Yeah. Oh yeah. That sucks. Jesus. 900lb.-ft. of torque? Goddamn. That guy must just hate life. I bet he wishes he owned, like, I dunno - a car that makes more torque.
Or something.
Stab my eyes.
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yeah 800-900 trq is for lowjoies
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I thought this thread was about cobras and supras, not stratospheric all out race-built LSX motors
haha i could make the same illustration wit a civic.. if u like! You dont want 500whp w/ 250 tq either... if thats even possible lol
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Just another vote for the Cobra....whenever I see a Supra I just picture Hogan's idiot son driving it. My "personality" is DEFINATELY NOT the Supra, I'm not a Jap Import guy, I don't care how "stupid fast" you can make them. It's a Jap Import and that's enough for me.
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Point is, which should be obvious is that an optimized set up for any car especially heavy ones, should not be so hp bias. This works for the supra because its gutted and a dedicated 1/4 mile car.
I mean how much tq would a lsx block making 1500whp have?... Properly setup Im sure it would be far more than 800tq.
Ur missing the point... If it would suit ur vancy better, you could swap a LSX motor into a supra instead of the cobra... it would in the end yield the same benifit " more even hp and tq numbers " no more no less!
More displacment=more tq which is what the supra was lacking IMHO. Dont think I was trying to say the supra was junk by any means. 1500whp would just be better with 1500tq
Ur missing the point... If it would suit ur vancy better, you could swap a LSX motor into a supra instead of the cobra... it would in the end yield the same benifit " more even hp and tq numbers " no more no less!
More displacment=more tq which is what the supra was lacking IMHO. Dont think I was trying to say the supra was junk by any means. 1500whp would just be better with 1500tq
The problem here is that no one is asking about either car with an LS swapped in. Personally, if I had a Supra, the LAST thing I'd do would be swapping in an LS motor.
I like a motor that's already built for boost, thanks.
The problem here is that no one is asking about either car with an LS swapped in. Personally, if I had a Supra, the LAST thing I'd do would be swapping in an LS motor.
I like a motor that's already built for boost, thanks.
The problem here is that no one is asking about either car with an LS swapped in. Personally, if I had a Supra, the LAST thing I'd do would be swapping in an LS motor.
I like a motor that's already built for boost, thanks.
And a perfect example of a motor already prepped for boost, that will yield not only better hp but better tq as well, is the forged short block on a cobra. Thats why cobras are so much more common, their inexpensive and can be made ridiculously fast for cheap.
What makes up my mind as to which car to choose is that in two boosted applications the v8 twin turbo'd would produce better numbers than the inline 6 single turbo'd ! And by better numbers I mean a car that not only makes a firetruck ton of hp but equal tq as well. Assuming all other variables are even. Why else are supra's notorious for being dyno queens! Its b/c their tq #'s are usually weak in comparison to a boosted application with more displacement.
Solution, get the cobra and swap in twin turbos in place of the supercharger. Mod it to reseamble a regular mustang, and have fun.
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In my opinion, 03 cobras are sick. There's not one person on this forum that could doubt that. But overall, I'd take the Supra. Because even though the supercharged Cobras are built for boost and have a cheap modability level, the Supra puts out more CFM's and still has that "Car God" Appeal to most drivers. Besides, I see terminators a lot more than I do Supras.
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And a perfect example of a motor already prepped for boost, that will yield not only better hp but better tq as well, is the forged short block on a cobra. Thats why cobras are so much more common, their inexpensive and can be made ridiculously fast for cheap.
What makes up my mind as to which car to choose is that in two boosted applications the v8 twin turbo'd would produce better numbers than the inline 6 single turbo'd ! And by better numbers I mean a car that not only makes a firetruck ton of hp but equal tq as well. Assuming all other variables are even. Why else are supra's notorious for being dyno queens! Its b/c their tq #'s are usually weak in comparison to a boosted application with more displacement.
Solution, get the cobra and swap in twin turbos in place of the supercharger. Mod it to reseamble a regular mustang, and have fun.
I have seen more supras at the track than I have on the road. Just thinking out loud here but wasn't the 2JZ-GTE a twin turbo six that made 280hp and 320 lbft stock. But supras don't make torque, only V8's make torque duh. Everything that isn't an american v8 does not make torque, except for this supra that made 441rwhp and 484rwtq with bolt ons. But thats not that much torque
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IF, and that's a big IF, you can find a Supra that has had the piss beat out of it and is at a reasonable price, get that. Those motors are bullet-proof and just take whatever pump in it like a prom date.
And a perfect example of a motor already prepped for boost, that will yield not only better hp but better tq as well, is the forged short block on a cobra. Thats why cobras are so much more common, their inexpensive and can be made ridiculously fast for cheap.
Dude, you're fighting an up-hill battle. Stock pistons on the 2JZ-GTE are good up to almost 900WHP. Even though Toyota has never released the metallurgy on those pistons, it is safe to say that they are indead forged as well. Can a stock Cobra block do that?
So this is the reason they are more common? Neglect the fact that Supras are about 15 years old now and Cobras only 5-6.
And how about the fact that with BOLT-ONS alone, Supras can run mid-low 11s with Basic Performance Upgrades like a turbo-back exhaust, FMIC, and a boost controller. That's not even touching 2 grand in parts yet... and with the market so big for these cars now-a-days you can get them so much cheaper, talk about ridiculously fast for cheap....
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What makes up my mind as to which car to choose is that in two boosted applications the v8 twin turbo'd would produce better numbers than the inline 6 single turbo'd ! And by better numbers I mean a car that not only makes a firetruck ton of hp but equal tq as well. Assuming all other variables are even. Why else are supra's notorious for being dyno queens! Its b/c their tq #'s are usually weak in comparison to a boosted application with more displacement.
Supras making big horsepower don't hook, but have you ever seen them from a roll-race? That's why they are dyno-queens. Go look at how many Cobras are stuck in 11s too... Because they can't hook either.
It must be the Supras low torque numbers that make them smoke Hyabusas and R-1s on a roll..
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