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Old 08-12-2009, 12:29 PM   #1
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Maggie on an LQ4 swap ?????

Ok, I just swapped an LQ4 into my GTO and am wondering this....
I bought the LQ4 as a longblock. I have all the truck accessories etc...sitting in my garage. Would it be possible to use a Maggie off of a 4.8,5.3,6.0 truck application, if I used all the truck accessories? I know they are obviously quite a bit different in design. I just wondered what might cause me issues if I was to try it.
Also, how much HP are these LQ4 short block holding up to?

Issues I know will need addressed:
1. Relocate battery to opposite side for air intake
2. Snout might not clear hood
3. TB adapter would be needed
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:34 PM   #2
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i dont see why you wouldn't be able to use all the truck accessories, it would just take some fabrication work and time to find out what will and what wont work

btw how much did you get the LQ4 longblock for and how much boost are you planning on running on the stock internals?

and is the LQ4 the same block strength as the LQ9 and the only difference is dished pistons/flattop pistons and the compression ratio/camshaft?
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:40 PM   #3
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i dont see why you wouldn't be able to use all the truck accessories, it would just take some fabrication work and time to find out what will and what wont work

btw how much did you get the LQ4 longblock for and how much boost are you planning on running on the stock internals?

and is the LQ4 the same block strength as the LQ9 and the only difference is dished pistons/flattop pistons and the compression ratio/camshaft?

I bought this longblock for $600 with 36k miles on it. I was only planning on 10-12psi. I have a set of Ported and Polished heads at the machine shop right now being milled so I will end up at about 10.75 compression. As for strength vs the LQ9, I am wondering the same thing. I put my LS2 front cover and camshaft in this and it runs great. I just don't know much about what these blocks will handle.
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depending on what year the block is from it had a
1999-2000 LQ4: 191/190 .457/.466 114 LSA
2001-2006 LQ4: 196/207 .467/.479 116 LSA

GM Hot Cam (same lift as ls2 cam, just more duration)
219/228 .525/.525 112 LSA

TEST 1 TEST 2
RPM TQ HP TQ HP
2,200 406 170 399 168
2,400 403 184 392 179
2,600 403 199 393 194
2,800 406 216 401 214
3,000 411 235 414 237
3,200 418 255 427 260
4,300 424 275 435 281
3,600 429 294 438 299
3,800 433 313 437 315
4,000 436 332 434 331
4,200 437 350 434 347
4,400 439 368 436 366
4,600 439 384 441 387
4,800 437 399 447 408
5,000 432 411 450 428
5,200 424 420 450 444
5,400 412 424 444 456
5,600 398 425 436 466
5,800 383 424 430 475
6,000 367 419 423 483
Avg. 417 318 428 336
(peak) 439 425 450 483
Power/ci 1.20 1.16 1.23 1.32

Test 1 was with the stock, iron 6.0L short-block and production iron heads assisted with a GMPP single-plane intake manifold, a 750 Holley carburetor, and a set of 131/44-inch Kooks long-tube headers.

Test 2 kept all the original changes from Test 1 but added the GMPP hydraulic roller Hot cam and valvespring kit.


the stock cams in the LQ4 and LQ9 seem to do pretty good for how 'small' they are

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Old 08-12-2009, 12:59 PM   #5
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depending on what year the block is from it had a
1999-2000 LQ4: 191/190 .457/.466 114 LSA
2001-2006 LQ4: 196/207 .467/.479 116 LSA

GM Hot Cam (same lift as ls2 cam, just more duration)
219/228 .525/.525 112 LSA

TEST 1 TEST 2
RPM TQ HP TQ HP
2,200 406 170 399 168
2,400 403 184 392 179
2,600 403 199 393 194
2,800 406 216 401 214
3,000 411 235 414 237
3,200 418 255 427 260
4,300 424 275 435 281
3,600 429 294 438 299
3,800 433 313 437 315
4,000 436 332 434 331
4,200 437 350 434 347
4,400 439 368 436 366
4,600 439 384 441 387
4,800 437 399 447 408
5,000 432 411 450 428
5,200 424 420 450 444
5,400 412 424 444 456
5,600 398 425 436 466
5,800 383 424 430 475
6,000 367 419 423 483
Avg. 417 318 428 336
(peak) 439 425 450 483
Power/ci 1.20 1.16 1.23 1.32

Test 1 was with the stock, iron 6.0L short-block and production iron heads assisted with a GMPP single-plane intake manifold, a 750 Holley carburetor, and a set of 131/44-inch Kooks long-tube headers.

Test 2 kept all the original changes from Test 1 but added the GMPP hydraulic roller Hot cam and valvespring kit.


That might explain why this motor feels so strong then. I have the LS2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8 LTs, 3" catless exhaust through Magnaflows, 241 heads, P&P TB, Stock air box.
This feel like it has much more power than my LS2 did. If I can get a maggie on here whether I can use the truck style or not, it should put out some great numbers.
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and btw, if you're using the truck block with all the accessories, why not use the whipple supercharger they make for the trucks and modify the kit to work accordingly?

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hmmmm sell the srt and start a truck/whipple project....
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:32 AM   #8
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This whipple setup was for sale used on ebay 2 days ago.
Here you go.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevy...=p4506.c0.m245

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Whipp...=p4506.c0.m245
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:56 AM   #9
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The problem is that I still don't know if this will work. Noone has chimed in verifying my ideas.
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Old 08-13-2009, 07:35 AM   #10
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Im pretty sure your gona have issues with the firewall. the reason the GTO setup is different from the truck setup is because of the clearance issues
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Im pretty sure your gona have issues with the firewall. the reason the GTO setup is different from the truck setup is because of the clearance issues

This is the info I have been looking for. I know it's hard to tell by looking at the truck style maggies. I just wasn't sure how much of a clearance issue it would cause. When I look at pictures, the air inlet looks like it sits just forward of the back injectors, which would make me think it would fit ok. If I had to cut some of the plastic cowling for it to work, that would not be a big issue. I hope one of the experts can jump in here and clarify the design difference and what issues would definately be a problem.
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