update 12/4/09. Did some driving around today, now that the tvs2300 is installed, and the tune is almost done. I also installed the optional temp gauge in a crazyflames dash cluster bezel. (nice work Tyler). The gauge reads the water temp of the coolant in the maggie reservoir. Today the temp outside was 44 (not ideal conditions). But out running around town and not getting on it. The temp got to 91. But with the a/c turned on and the killer chiller, chillin. The temp dropped to as low as 68 and averaged around 73.
I know everyone will want to know iat's. But I am hoping for a bit of warmer weather tomorrow, and get out and make some harder runs, for more data.
10/14/09 UPDATE..... SEE POST #2
First off I want to say "Thank You" to:
Thomas with Hendrix-Engineering for supplying the stuff to develop this.
And to Kyle aka silverstreak04 and Josh aka LSPWR for all their wisdom & knowledge, and willing to help many late nights to develop this.
Due to the high interest in developing a Killer Chiller system for the FI GTO's. Thomas has supplied us with the pieces to develop a kit that we are currently working to install on my 2005 GTO. We are close to having it up and running. We are almost done, just waiting for a couple last minute parts to arrive. This has been a very time consuming project. But as you all know, developing something for the first time, always is.
The plan is, once we have it fully up and running, to get some real hard data and post our findings. Then with many pictures and diagrams, to have a kit put together and marketed for the GTO enthusiast.
Below are a few pics. Many many more to come latter. I spoke to Thomas and he agreed that with all the recent talk about a Killer Chiller for the GTO, that we should go ahead and make this announcement.
Once the finally testing is done, I will post up that data. This kit is being developed with Thomas of Hendrix-Engineering for marketing by him.
Factory front bumper, notched for installation of killer chiller unit
Expansion valve installed near Killer Chiller unit. We have already measured, made and installed most of the a/c lines needed for the kit. The remaining fittings needed are due to arrive late this coming week.
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The Killer is Chillin. Now the question is, how to test? It's 56 degrees and a high of 59 tomorrow and not much warmer all weekend. Should I use hp tuners and go run it real hard, not the IAT's. Then turn on the a/c and do it again?
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Looking at your project instantly reminded me of a friend of mine who made his own system for cooling air for his F-1. He wanted to make his own type of Intercooler
He built and installed a Freon type system to super cool air for his Supercharger. He experimented last year in the begining by using an A/C recharge kit from an Automotive parts store. In the early stages the plumbing aspect part of it looked like a nightmare but as time went by he kept improving on it. He said the hardest part was trying to control the amount of coolant [ Freon at the time ] entering the system at different throttle settings. He did not want to have the coolant entering the system full force all the time . I have seen the pictures of the completed project along with some data. It really came out nice
I am not a turbo guy but I don't think turbos have intercoolers which this works in conjuction with because it cools the coolant that feeds it...
There are some turbo systems that have intercoolers on them. Think duramaxx, powerstroke, cummins for small vehicles and all semi trucks, along with racing applacations.
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my turbos are water and oil cooled
This is for cooling the air after it leaves the compressor and before it enters the engine. Your turbos bearings are cooled by the water and oil, not the compressed air comming out of it.
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this will probably be really big for all the supercharged gto's
nice jobs
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MSD wires, LoneStar ported TB & Intake, Corsa Sport Cat back (mufflers removed) Tuned by Waltred 360/353
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2004 GTO : 655/598 HP/TRQ - Maggie 122 @10PSI, ETP 225 heads, SW LT's + magnaflow, 224/236/116 EDCam, Hendrix clutch, Corn juice fed and 2 bar Self-tuned.
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"I was animalwarfisted" - ironmancan
"I orderd a gm rip shit from them..." - EVIL_GTO
"With most IAT sensors, you've got enough time to get out of the car and start looking around for your pistons before they respond." - MisterMike
There are some turbo systems that have intercoolers on them. Think duramaxx, powerstroke, cummins for small vehicles and all semi trucks, along with racing applacations.
This is for cooling the air after it leaves the compressor and before it enters the engine. Your turbos bearings are cooled by the water and oil, not the compressed air comming out of it.
Good to know...I didnt think it would work but didnt know the exact reason why. I figured it would not be intercooled in our applications as most people are running a stock or fast mani if the are turbo'd. Thanks for the clarification.
This setup, with an efficient air to liquid intercooler, will unlock loads of heat soak lost hp on a FI daily driver. Definitely keep us posted on your progress as this looks very, very promising.
Patrick
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High 12's for now.
A concern I have with this type system is without enlarging the condenser core or adding an additional condenser, will there be enough condensers to remove enough heat? We are already covering up the condenser with the after cooler now you’re putting hoses and other obstructions in front of the radiator. If you cannot get rid of the heat from the condenser you’re a/c will not work as efficiently as well as the extra heat may damage the compressor. I know they have a system for Mustangs but have only seen one video documenting its operation and that was at idle.
HA HA and with my overdrive ballencer spinning my acessories faster than normal(ie air conditioner)mine will be super bad azz...........uhhh actually i have no data to back that up...would be cool though(all pun intended)
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speed density tune by Pete Eskew@MobileDynePerformance-Maggie 112-Kooks1-7/8"-Borla catback-IW 8"overdrive 6.5psi-LPE fuel kit and bucket drill-NGK TR6-GMM street-ECS tensioner-K&N-Hendrix Engineering "HEX" clutch,plug wires,and flexable line-stock heads/cam/internals=500rwhp/501rwtq
In doing this, are you creating a separate evaporator loop and expansion valve from those used in the cabin air conditioning? If that is the case, I guess there really wouldn't be any concern for condenser capacity as long as the evaporator is reasonably sized to absorb the heat.
Is there some sort of activation switch that runs the compressor and opens the expansion valve, or does it all run off your cabin A/C controls?
I have been getting into some industrial HVAC control system work lately in my side job, and this is an interesting application.
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Pedders Track II with Hotchkis swaybars --- 06 GTO brakes with stainless lines and Hawk pads
10-speaker, 1200-watt custom sound system
^^^^ yes to all. Except it runs when the cabin a/c control is on. BUT....... when we get this all up and running. We are looking in to a separate circuit that will only feed the killer chiller and not the cabin. As an option. meaning it will give you the option of cabin only, or killer chiller only, or both.
But this is still in the planning stages and not fully developed YET.
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06 Impulse Blue, Blue, 6Sp, 18" JHP gauges, NGK TR55IX plugs, SAP Ft. Bumper, SAP Rockers, Kooks SS headers, O/R mids, Corsa Sport Exhaust, Driveshaft Shop driveshaft, pedders track II, hotchkis swaybars,gentex mirror, Dominant Motorsports CAI,Jamesbiz catch can, DBA cross drilled and slotted rotors, Tuned by Blue Devil Motorsports, 359.9 HP 360.6TQ, before LTs.
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uhhh actually i have no data to back that up...would be cool though(all pun intended)
