There are going to be a few questions asked before you get the answer you are looking for. The first and most obvious one is to ask what goals are you wanting to achieve? Is this a daily driver or a weekend toy? Do you have plans for future Mods down the road like heads/ forced induction?
Your right lol I forgot to add that, it is a daily driver, and for the most part, I'm not to sure yet as far as future mods, for I have had the headers on for a while now and now im looking to complete it by putting a cam in now. I see from your sig that you have a 228/232, how is that?
But yea it is a daily driver, and I am looking to get that rougher idle as I have stated and get that gain.
Depends on alot of factors, my 224/228 on a 114 sounds like the fury of satan has come to play, Noone ever guesses how "small" it really is. Now I'll admit there are times I wish I had the Torquer 2 or the streetsweeper HT. I think either of those cams are as big as I would ever go. And I would choose them for more power not sound. The right tune will make things sound however you want at idle.
FWIW I have tuned the car myself from day one. IMO this should be a consideration in your choice, if you are doing it yourself don't get over your head. If you have a pro and don't mind some tuning headaches go for the bigger one.
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I am acually looking into downgrading from a TSP Torquer V2 to a cam like the one the you(OP) are talking about. I am looking at the 228R. Dont get me wrong I love the Torquer V2. Its a great cam. However it doesnt move my fat ass car until after 3k RPMs. I want more low end grunt. I miss the way the car felt down low. My car is a DD and im in millitary so im on and off post off all day with lots of stop and go traffic and the Torquer V2 has great manners and acts wonderfull.
I decided to go small on the cam, as my GTO is my daily driver. Even with a "baby cam" from Ed at FTI (Streetsweeper TQ), she still put down nearly 420 at the wheels. You may also consider whether you want more low end torque or are really looking for the power to come on higher in the rpm range. I wasn't sure exactly what the pros & cons were - so if you're in a similar situation you may want to ping one of the knowledgeable sponsors on the forum. Make sure and post up your results after you get your new setup
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I was up in the air as well with my Cam and decided on the TSP V2 and could not regret it. Mines a DD and cam surge happens exactly at 1.5k holding throttle if I come off or give it gas there is no surge.
Torque wise not sure what you mean, probably just a fact of opinion, my car feels amazing under 3k with it in.
And yeah sound...you can tune that, or just choose a smaller LSA.
I am running a 224/228 112 cam and it runs well. Idles at 800 and I can lug it down to around 1000 rpm without it bucking. The power range is close to stock but more HP and torque across the board. It makes me smile to drive it every day. I have an idle clip in my signature.
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A smaller cam like the one you mention originally will make more power than stock from idle to redline (if tuned properly). A bigger cam will give up a little of the under 2000 low end for more top end and mid range.
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Valve shrouding on a stock motor is fine though, because ultimately you're just going to blow it up anyways, and then bore out the motor. Voila, valve unshrouded.
FWIW--I went with a really small 224/224 .580/.580 cam on a 112* with stock heads and intake. Long tube headers an a 3600 stall. It idles probably just how youd like it (sounds like it has a bigger cam than it actually has). It is very DD and I probably would have gone bigger but I have emissions to worry aobut up here. And Ive only been to the track once since the stall is in but it ran 12.11 @ 112. I know youre an M6 so you should be able to see similar times as mine.
Hope that helps
I have been looking as well funny that you post this. If you do not live in Cali then you got it made. I was looking at Texas speed which has the 224R which gives you a choice of LSAs and from what I have been told what LSA you pick is what contributes to the lopey sound. Good luck hope you find what you want.:-)
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Im running the TSP 228r 112, has a nice idle and sound nasty when the cuttouts are open. Didn't lose its daily driver quality either. Kinda wish a went a tad bigger, but ill worry about that when I do the bottom end.
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