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Old 06-30-2011, 01:30 PM   #1
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224/228 .581"/.588" Camshaft

Quick question guys where I know there can be many opinions, but I wanted to get a ball park answer.

I am looking into installing this cam in my 2005 GTO M6. I am looking to get that rougher idle, and that 35-40 RWHP gain.

I wanted to ask because I am in a toss up between the 224/228 and the 228R. So I'm looking to get some opinions as far as personal experiences that some of you may have had.


My mods are:

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Thanks again, and I know that it is a very brief description as for I know there are many options and opinions when it comes to choosing a cam.
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There are going to be a few questions asked before you get the answer you are looking for. The first and most obvious one is to ask what goals are you wanting to achieve? Is this a daily driver or a weekend toy? Do you have plans for future Mods down the road like heads/ forced induction?
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Your right lol I forgot to add that, it is a daily driver, and for the most part, I'm not to sure yet as far as future mods, for I have had the headers on for a while now and now im looking to complete it by putting a cam in now. I see from your sig that you have a 228/232, how is that?

But yea it is a daily driver, and I am looking to get that rougher idle as I have stated and get that gain.
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I have a 232/234 cam and it is very dd able. I can cruise around town @ 1500rpm. I gained 55+whp and 30wtq from just cam and under drive pulley.

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what LSA?
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Old 06-30-2011, 02:50 PM   #7
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Go with a bigger cam, the 228r will do, or possibly the Torquer V2.
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Likes the way it sounds man very nice...I was looking into the 224/228 with an LSA of 112. Looking into get the rough idle that you currently have.
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Depends on alot of factors, my 224/228 on a 114 sounds like the fury of satan has come to play, Noone ever guesses how "small" it really is. Now I'll admit there are times I wish I had the Torquer 2 or the streetsweeper HT. I think either of those cams are as big as I would ever go. And I would choose them for more power not sound. The right tune will make things sound however you want at idle.

FWIW I have tuned the car myself from day one. IMO this should be a consideration in your choice, if you are doing it yourself don't get over your head. If you have a pro and don't mind some tuning headaches go for the bigger one.
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Stop getting caught up with sound
Making spark adjustments can get you any sound you like.

Set a goal and figure out what cam you need.
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I am acually looking into downgrading from a TSP Torquer V2 to a cam like the one the you(OP) are talking about. I am looking at the 228R. Dont get me wrong I love the Torquer V2. Its a great cam. However it doesnt move my fat ass car until after 3k RPMs. I want more low end grunt. I miss the way the car felt down low. My car is a DD and im in millitary so im on and off post off all day with lots of stop and go traffic and the Torquer V2 has great manners and acts wonderfull.
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Don't go to small on the cam or you would regret it. Here is a clip of my cam in sig.

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I decided to go small on the cam, as my GTO is my daily driver. Even with a "baby cam" from Ed at FTI (Streetsweeper TQ), she still put down nearly 420 at the wheels. You may also consider whether you want more low end torque or are really looking for the power to come on higher in the rpm range. I wasn't sure exactly what the pros & cons were - so if you're in a similar situation you may want to ping one of the knowledgeable sponsors on the forum. Make sure and post up your results after you get your new setup
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take a look at the NSSP cam, thats the cam im using for my car. its around the same specs as a Torquer V2 but its got better torque under 3k, makes tons of power up top and is very DD friendly

specs are: 230/232 .612 .602 114LSA
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SNL v4 or vx cam you won't regret it!
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I was up in the air as well with my Cam and decided on the TSP V2 and could not regret it. Mines a DD and cam surge happens exactly at 1.5k holding throttle if I come off or give it gas there is no surge.

Torque wise not sure what you mean, probably just a fact of opinion, my car feels amazing under 3k with it in.

And yeah sound...you can tune that, or just choose a smaller LSA.
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I am running a 224/228 112 cam and it runs well. Idles at 800 and I can lug it down to around 1000 rpm without it bucking. The power range is close to stock but more HP and torque across the board. It makes me smile to drive it every day. I have an idle clip in my signature.
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don't go to small on the cam or you would regret it. Here is a clip of my cam in sig.

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that sounds great
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A smaller cam like the one you mention originally will make more power than stock from idle to redline (if tuned properly). A bigger cam will give up a little of the under 2000 low end for more top end and mid range.
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SNL v4 or vx cam you won't regret it!

A SNL V2 sounds more like what he's looking for, the V4/X would gain 60-70rwhp
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^ Eh just trying to convince him to go bigger ^
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FWIW--I went with a really small 224/224 .580/.580 cam on a 112* with stock heads and intake. Long tube headers an a 3600 stall. It idles probably just how youd like it (sounds like it has a bigger cam than it actually has). It is very DD and I probably would have gone bigger but I have emissions to worry aobut up here. And Ive only been to the track once since the stall is in but it ran 12.11 @ 112. I know youre an M6 so you should be able to see similar times as mine.
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heres my old car with the cam in my sig


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here is my ls1 with the afr 205's, long tubes, no cats and stock catback with that exact cam.


its plenty mean sounding and made around 420hp with the stock intake manifold/tb/catback
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I have been looking as well funny that you post this. If you do not live in Cali then you got it made. I was looking at Texas speed which has the 224R which gives you a choice of LSAs and from what I have been told what LSA you pick is what contributes to the lopey sound. Good luck hope you find what you want.:-)
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Im running the TSP 228r 112, has a nice idle and sound nasty when the cuttouts are open. Didn't lose its daily driver quality either. Kinda wish a went a tad bigger, but ill worry about that when I do the bottom end.

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Would you have a sound clip rjd584?

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here is a dyno video of my car with 228r long tubes and no cats
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