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Old 12-29-2011, 01:46 PM   #1
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How to drag race the GTO (make sticky?)

Hi Folks just bought an 06 with 6M and 18" wheels. Looks stock, shifter is SERIOUSLY mushy, and on the test drive the rear wheel hop was NASTY. But had to have the 400hp

My prior drag experience has been in 4.6L mustangs with a solid axle & M/Ts.

How do you control the wheel hop? I've read numerous threads about airlift bags, pedder diff insert , 1 piece driveshaft, and 300M big/little halfshafts, any one thing work? Why did GM give us 400hp/trq and the IRS? I can't afford a rear swap, so maybe just beef the axles?

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Why did GM give us 400hp/trq and the IRS? I can't afford a rear swap, so maybe just beef the axles?

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The car wasn't built with drag racing in mind, its a heavy pig. I'm sure you can find your answer my searching.

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Sounds dangerous. It's safer just to watch other cars go fast.
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Anti wheel hop axles seem to solve this issue.
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Hi Folks just bought an 06 with 6M and 18" wheels. Looks stock, shifter is SERIOUSLY mushy, and on the test drive the rear wheel hop was NASTY. But had to have the 400hp

My prior drag experience has been in 4.6L mustangs with a solid axle & M/Ts.

How do you control the wheel hop? I've read numerous threads about airlift bags, pedder diff insert , 1 piece driveshaft, and 300M big/little halfshafts, any one thing work? Why did GM give us 400hp/trq and the IRS? I can't afford a rear swap, so maybe just beef the axles?

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I have a set of drag bags, and m/t's the only time I get wheel hop is in the beginning of my burnout but its minimal. If your not trying to throw down 800 on the anti wheel hop axels this is a good and popular route.. plus you can fit a fatter tire
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Looks like you answered your own question?

Anti wheel-hop axles are reported to be the most effective. In my M6, drag bags alone on street tires did jack squat (lug luts came loose later that day from the wheel hop). Upgrading to Koni Yellows (set nearly full stiff) out back, and upping to drag radials (much easier to maintain traction) solved it for me. You can also look into upgrading the crossmember bushings.
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I've read numerous threads about airlift bags, pedder diff insert , 1 piece driveshaft, and 300M big/little halfshafts, any one thing work? Why did GM give us 400hp/trq and the IRS? I can't afford a rear swap, so maybe just beef the axles?

there is no "one thing," especially considering you purchased a manual. wheelhop is easier to reign in with an automatic.

anti-hop axles help immensely but its best to upgrade everything back there. the stock suspension is mush and allows too much movement.

as for asking why 400 horse + irs? you bought the wrong car. new age gto =! cheap drag car.
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What is this wheel hop people speak of?
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What is this wheel hop people speak of?

It's a 2nd cousin to the "sock hop".
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Yea the IRS sucks for a drag car but you can control it and run 12s stock. See you at Bradenton Motorsports Park.
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Hi Folks just bought an 06 with 6M and 18" wheels. Looks stock, shifter is SERIOUSLY mushy, and on the test drive the rear wheel hop was NASTY. But had to have the 400hp

My prior drag experience has been in 4.6L mustangs with a solid axle & M/Ts.

How do you control the wheel hop? I've read numerous threads about airlift bags, pedder diff insert , 1 piece driveshaft, and 300M big/little halfshafts, any one thing work? Why did GM give us 400hp/trq and the IRS? I can't afford a rear swap, so maybe just beef the axles?

Thx

So, you've moved on from slow cars.
As to why 400hp/tq & IRS. IRS is better for the road in every way over a solid rear end. However IRS create a great deal more stress on parts. Solid rear ends are tougher and provide better control in straight lines (drag racing *lower 60ft*) and rock climbing (for their strength). If you are willing to question GM / Holden's choice of rear suspension, then why not question Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc. Nearly all high end manufacturers use IRS and I don't hear their owners questioning why they have IRS with stock power being an average of 50% higher than ours.


And nope, all work together. In terms of % The upgraded anti-wheel hop halfshafts will help the most.

Upgraded anti-wheel halfshafts = $800.00+
Suspension poly urethane parts and springs/struts = $1,200.00+
1 piece driveshaft new = $1,000
Drag bags (Air bags that fit inside the rear springs)= $100

Yeah, you can buy the GTO cheap, but parts... that's a different story.
Best of luck. If you plan on doing it right, then do it once. Save and worry about it when you do have the budget. You get what you pay for. Learn your car better, minimize the wheel hop (which you can) to the best of your driving ability, then buy parts.

I love my GTO. But it was not built to be a drag car even though you can modify it to do so.
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So, you've moved on from slow cars.
As to why 400hp/tq & IRS. IRS is better for the road in every way over a solid rear end. However IRS create a great deal more stress on parts. Solid rear ends are tougher and provide better control in straight lines (drag racing *lower 60ft*) and rock climbing (for their strength). If you are willing to question GM / Holden's choice of rear suspension, then why not question Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc. Nearly all high end manufacturers use IRS and I don't hear their owners questioning why they have IRS with stock power being an average of 50% higher than ours.


And nope, all work together. In terms of % The upgraded anti-wheel hop halfshafts will help the most.

Upgraded anti-wheel halfshafts = $800.00+
Suspension poly urethane parts and springs/struts = $1,200.00+
1 piece driveshaft new = $1,000
Drag bags (Air bags that fit inside the rear springs)= $100

Yeah, you can buy the GTO cheap, but parts... that's a different story.
Best of luck. If you plan on doing it right, then do it once. Save and worry about it when you do have the budget. You get what you pay for. Learn your car better, minimize the wheel hop (which you can) to the best of your driving ability, then buy parts.

I love my GTO. But it was not built to be a drag car even though you can modify it to do so.

Yep -parts, parts & more parts.
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there is no "one thing," especially considering you purchased a manual. wheelhop is easier to reign in with an automatic.

anti-hop axles help immensely but its best to upgrade everything back there. the stock suspension is mush and allows too much movement.

as for asking why 400 horse + irs? you bought the wrong transmission. new age gto =! badass drag car.

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GTO+street racing= M6 GTO+dragracing= Automatic

I know to each their own, but this to me is a bullshit statement. I had E.T. goals at a near stock level that I never would have achieved with an A4. My favorite setup was LS7 clutch, drag radial, 4.10 gear, ported LS2 intake, ported TB, tune and ran 12.45. I think that was like 330 rwhp.
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I know to each their own, but this to me is a bullshit statement. I had E.T. goals at a near stock level that I never would have achieved with an A4. My favorite setup was LS7 clutch, drag radial, 4.10 gear, ported LS2 intake, ported TB, tune and ran 12.45. I think that was like 330 rwhp.

you could probably achieve that with a stalled A4..

facts be facts: autos are better for drag, and manuals are preferred for road courses
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you could probably achieve that with a stalled A4..

facts be facts: autos are better for drag, and manuals are preferred for road courses

Here are the facts, a stick will in every instance put down more power. If the driver cant do anything with it, thats not the fault of the trans in question.
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Here are the facts, a stick will in every instance put down more power. If the driver cant do anything with it, thats not the fault of the trans in question.
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Problem is that isn't a stock Mustang.

But back to the original contention that a stick with the right driver & same mods, DA, Track etc will always beat out an A4 - depends on the trans & converter set up for the A4.

To go wth your 330hp - mine is only 369hp.

What is your race weight? I am normally at around 3,880

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If you are willing to question GM / Holden's choice of rear suspension, then why not question Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc. Nearly all high end manufacturers use IRS and I don't hear their owners questioning why they have IRS with stock power being an average of 50% higher than ours.

your realize you're comparing a near 20 year old opel omega IRS to ferrari and lambo suspensions? when a direct competitor such as the ford mustang is cheaper and both handles and hooks better with its solid axle compared to our stock IRS, GM did something wrong.

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Here are the facts, a stick will in every instance put down more power. If the driver cant do anything with it, thats not the fault of the trans in question.
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false...but sure thing

it will always put more power out on an RPM by RPM comparison, but not on a mph by mph comparison, which is what matters in the 1/4
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stick are very fun to drive on the street, yes they put down more power but..
even if its not any thing to do with the car or tranny, you will miss a gear at one point in time during a race, if a auto misses a gear you are pulling it out that weekend. just my .02
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Hi Folks just bought an 06 with 6M and 18" wheels. Looks stock, shifter is SERIOUSLY mushy, and on the test drive the rear wheel hop was NASTY. But had to have the 400hp

How do you control the wheel hop? I've read numerous threads about airlift bags, pedder diff insert , 1 piece driveshaft, and 300M big/little halfshafts, any one thing work?

Thx

I would start with drag bags,Harrop sports cover,x-member bushings and sticky tires.Then add parts as your budget allows.
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false...but sure thing

it will always put more power out on an RPM by RPM comparison, but not on a mph by mph comparison, which is what matters in the 1/4

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stick are very fun to drive on the street, yes they put down more power but..
even if its not any thing to do with the car or tranny, you will miss a gear at one point in time during a race, if a auto misses a gear you are pulling it out that weekend. just my .02

Maybe with your stickshift, but mine goes in gear every time.
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I know to each their own, but this to me is a bullshit statement. I had E.T. goals at a near stock level that I never would have achieved with an A4. My favorite setup was LS7 clutch, drag radial, 4.10 gear, ported LS2 intake, ported TB, tune and ran 12.45. I think that was like 330 rwhp.

With just a 3200 rpm stall, K&N CAI, Underdrive pulley, Nitto DR's, and Tune my A4 was running 12.3's in 80 degree weather.
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I know to each their own, but this to me is a bullshit statement. I had E.T. goals at a near stock level that I never would have achieved with an A4. My favorite setup was LS7 clutch, drag radial, 4.10 gear, ported LS2 intake, ported TB, tune and ran 12.45. I think that was like 330 rwhp.

That's it? With a 4.10 rear AND drag radials?

A catback, ported intake, tune and VaraCram with stock gears and regular worn out Nitto 555's I ran 12.55@112.9. The trap speed indicates a low 12 second run, but I could not get below a 1.9 60ft on the Nittos.
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