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Old 12-12-2012, 01:42 PM   #1
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no roll bars now for the 2008+ crowd???

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/nhra-amend...reet-vehicles/
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:16 PM   #2
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yeah there's been a lot of crap stirred up all over about this. I can see both sides to an extent. IMO, rules are rules and should be the same for all....just my .02
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Politics and lobbying at it's finest..... 2008 and newer, Really!
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Politics and lobbying at it's finest..... 2008 and newer, Really!

exactly, all it will take is someone to get killed unfortunately and shit will hit the fan.......
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:41 PM   #5
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Well I guess if you wanna have a weight advantage buy 2008 and newer.
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The newer cars aren't that much safer. There must be shens behind this.
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Back dated to 2008..... isn't that the first year of the new Challenger.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:55 PM   #8
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I see both sides of this story but leaning towards no cage side. Like stated it would suck if you got a zr1 or a gt500 and can't even legally run the thing without dumping cash on a cage.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:19 PM   #9
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smurf me, could have saved a couple of grand by buying a 12 or 13 Mustang.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:29 PM   #10
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The rule is for "stock" vehicles only, so really, other than a few cars, most of the sub 10.5 cars are newer ie, 2008+

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Old 12-12-2012, 06:45 PM   #11
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The rule is for "stock" vehicles only, so really, other than a few cars, most of the sub 10.5 cars are newer ie, 2008+

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Yep, and look at the structure of a 2010 Camaro. Some of the newer cars are probably safer than some older cars that are NHRA legal to 10.0
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:59 PM   #12
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Some of these factory hot rods should be offered with a roll bar as an option.

Myself I'm glad my car has a cage in it.Hope I never need it but if I do, it will be money very well spent.
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So as long as you don't run faster than a 9.99 or 135 you don't need a roll cage huh? I wonder how many "OEM" cars will be doing that. So FI factory cars can up the boost and tune it then say it's stock while running low 10s and not have to get a roll bar huh? I mean, they can't prove you tuned your car or swapped a pulley right?
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Well horse crap. My stuff is stock, at least appearing to be too the local yoco.
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Taken from the article posted by the in OP.... http://www.lsxtv.com/news/nhra-amend...reet-vehicles/

This amendment is in fact a huge boon to the enthusiast community that’s been driven away from organized racing at NHRA member tracks in the past due to the costs of making their vehicles legal to compete. Cars like the 2013 GT500 Mustang and the Corvette ZR1 are capable of surpassing the 11.50 mark right off the showroom floor. We’ve yet to conclude the exact meaning behind the wording “unaltered” in the text and whether that refers to the vehicle frame or the existence of power adders and the like.

Based on the above two. or other applicable vehicles... has their frame changed much, if any, from the 2008 model years. If not, assume that's why they grandfathered in those starting with the 2008 model years.

The key is in the details/definition which are not clear at this point.

Could be wrong, but going to assume that frame, engine, and drive line add on's. and any power adder's will be permissible, as long as one dosen't go faster than 9.999 and, or 135 MPH, and applicable to whatever the 1/8 mile equivlent might be.

Apparently they don't need a 5 point harness.... guess those 2008 and newer seat belts will keep those drivers planted firmly in their seat, under any and all circunstances.

No Trans shield/blanket; DS safety loop; no kill switch, etc, etc. either?

Question is.... are those 2008 and newer vehicles more structually sound that our factory GTO's and G8's? But than again, there's no longer a vested interest in Pontiac's. hmmm. what's a Pontiac? HaHaHA

Thought all NHRA rules/guidelines were put in place to not only protect a vehicle driver, but also the driver in the opposing lane.

May be the new rule should be..... run what you brung, saftey rules only applicable for those faster than 9.999 and/or exceeding 135 MPH.... vehicle year dosen't matter.

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Safety rules are bull shit for non professionals anyways. Just make people sign a damn waiver. You roll over and die a slow death on fire? Next time buy safety gear, shithead. The oil and other fluids people leave on the track are for more dangerous besides.
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I think it's a good thing. Someday, I aspire to possibly have a really fast factory car, such as a Z06, ZR1, or Shelby and occassionally go to the track with it. Would I want to cage it, hell no. If they made the exemption for 2004 and newer, how many people with high 10 low 11 GTO's would actually cage their cars. I'm sure not many. I like the rule change and I think it does stem from the manufacturers making faster cars from the factory which is a good thing for all. I'm not too familiar with road racing, but do road courses require roll cages on open track days?
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Lets say you get an 08 Z06. Go to the track and run 11.3 or something you are legal. Add headers and drag radials you need a roll bar as the car has now been modified.

Atleast thats how I interpret it.
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:59 AM   #19
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whats so special about cars 08 and newer? are they magically safer or something? so dickface with a car 3 years newer than mine gets to run and i dont?

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The number of stock cars running 11.50s and quicker are going up and up. This rule "IMO" is more intended for the guy who goes out and buys a GTR and goes to the track once or twice a year.
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whats so special about cars 08 and newer? are they magically safer or something? so dickface with a car 3 years newer than mine gets to run and i dont?

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I don't know the structural integrity of the pieces in this photo but my WAG is that little would be gained by adding a 5pt roll bar. Possibly an 8pt for that matter. I know what happens when you assume, but I assume the Mustang, Challenger, etc... are similar.

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In my opinion they should just change the requirements for everyone... cage required 10.99 and faster. The car companies that build any cars that are capable of going 10.99 or faster off the show room floor should be required to design a roll cage into the car.
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I don't know the structural integrity of the pieces in this photo but my WAG would be little would be gained by adding a 5pt roll bar. Possibly an 8pt for that matter. I know what happens when you assume, but I assume the Mustang, Challenger, etc... are similar.

Yea that stamped sheet metal is some strong stuff( how most every coupe car is held together). Definately negates the need for any further safety equipment. My eyes are opened thanks!

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In my opinion they should just change the requirements for everyone... cage required 10.99 and faster. The car companies that build any cars that are capable of going 10.99 or faster off the show room floor should be required to design a roll cage into the car.

Yeah and let's mandate that all cars get 50mpg. Oh wait they're going to do that in the future. While we're at it, more deaths occur on the public highways so let's just require that all cars have roll cages since public roads are far more dangerous than any race track.

This rule does not change anything for us GTO owners and I don't agree with the "It's not fair" mentality. If people with newer cars don't have to cage them who really cares.
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whats so special about cars 08 and newer? are they magically safer or something? so dickface with a car 3 years newer than mine gets to run and i dont?

#1, you gotta make a cutoff date somewhere... why not 2008? because you're not in that range? too bad
#2, this forum's "not fair, my car is good enough" mentality here, and "life isn't fair, we're not all equal" mentality regarding politics is a little hypocritical and humorous (obviously thi only regards those saying 'this isn't fair')
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Yea that stamped sheet metal is some strong stuff( how most every coupe car is held together). Definately negates the need for any further safety equipment. My eyes are opened thanks!

Prolly just bend the stuff over your knee
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I would be a little annoyed if I ever thought my Legacy would run this fast considering its identical to the 08 and 09 models, but it won't so it doesnt matter
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It wont effect me anyway. I dont plan on running faster than a 11.50. I am glad they are trying to making an exception for modern cars. If I happen to run too fast I will just get the boot and come back next time and do it again. I dont go much.
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Gawd thats some hefty pillar stock! Is that what they use in 08+ cars?
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Safety rules are bull shit for non professionals anyways. Just make people sign a damn waiver. You roll over and die a slow death on fire? Next time buy safety gear, shithead. The oil and other fluids people leave on the track are for more dangerous besides.

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