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Old 01-25-2013, 01:20 AM   #1
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So, as stated, my Svede arrived, brand new from WCS today. I got my hands on a dremel and went to town on that sucker. A few near-flaming bits of melted plastic in the eyes later, I was mounting her up. So far, no rub or any negatives. The car is getting retuned tomorrow (though unfortunately it seems my planned head install is all but happening now). First, gotta say WOW. World of difference in power and throttle response. I felt like someone swapped in a bigger engine behind my back. I knew it was gonna feel better, but I was also closing off a VERY bad intake leak while upgrading from a K&N. I was legitimately worried about breaking the tail loose on a third gear pull (and I have NT05R drag radials in the rear). It's been confirmed I seemingly make more power than I should and all, but what the eff. Maybe she'll calm the hell down when she isn't running rich enough to choke a bull moose to death with fuel fumes, but I sure hope not. SSOTRCAI = pricey, long wait, but totally worth it.

As for the "Learn Your Car" aspect... Something else I noticed over the power... The tone in my exhaust note. Before, it sounded a bit... Raspy, I guess (pretend Spintech doesn't have a rep for it for this). Up until about 4k RPMs. At 4k RPMs and higher, it was a very buttery-smooth sound. Adding the Svede made it smooth all over. Total change in sound and feel. Like the car was basically singing to me "Thank you! SWEET JESUS, thank you for closing off that leak!". Ever have one of those moments?


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SSOTRCAI = pricey, long wait, but totally worth it.

Sounds good, glad you are happy with the results. I can't wait to get my hands on mine. I am doing Kooks LTs, catless mids, MGW-P shifter, EE catch can, a Svede OTRCAI all at the same time, then a tune right after. Just waiting on my Svede now, and I ordered it first, before everything else.

When did you order from WCS? I ordered mine 11/16/12 and am still waiting.
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Awesome. Some of that sound change is because of the increase in sound coming out the front. Believe me when you hit the go pedal in back of a 'stang they'll whip around to see what's gobbling them up.
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Awesome. Some of that sound change is because of the increase in sound coming out the front. Believe me when you hit the go pedal in back of a 'stang they'll whip around to see what's gobbling them up.

Svede, not to thread jack, but I have the hardest time getting a hold of Spencer. Do you know what the wait time is currently for the CAI's? I ordered mine on 11/16/12, talked to Spencer earlier this month and he said it would ship by mid-January, and here we are late January with no word. Thanks.
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Awesome. Some of that sound change is because of the increase in sound coming out the front. Believe me when you hit the go pedal in back of a 'stang they'll whip around to see what's gobbling them up.

Haha very true. Couple of my stang buddies already know... Don't mess with the goats. There's certainly sound engine sound coming from the front, but I'm talking about the exhaust note specifically. It cleaned right up with the Svede on there. I'm really excited to see my dyno numbers today. I'll be sure to post in here about them. I'm sitting on 81k miles with pacesetter LT's, x pipe, Now Svede, and a tune. Any guesses on my numbers? I'll be happy with something close (or over) 350/350 at the wheels.


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Awesome. Some of that sound change is because of the increase in sound coming out the front. Believe me when you hit the go pedal in back of a 'stang they'll whip around to see what's gobbling them up.

a little off topic but do you have the fast acting IATs in stock?
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Just got mine from Fed Ex today. Started the install...so far so far..haha

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clip of new exhaust sound?

Hmm, I can try, but I doubt a camera will be able to pick it up. It's very subtle. The best way I can describe it is the exhaust note going from rough to smooth, but it's very, very slight. I'm willing to bet my fellow GTO owners in the area won't even be able to tell the difference.


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Hmm, I can try, but I doubt a camera will be able to pick it up. It's very subtle. The best way I can describe it is the exhaust note going from rough to smooth, but it's very, very slight. I'm willing to bet my fellow GTO owners in the area won't even be able to tell the difference.


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Maybe it's just me, but when I installed my Svede on my '04 I didnt notice hardly any increase in performance. I know it helped bc I tracked the car before and after and it did pick up a couple tenths, but I never understood why people think its a HUGE increase. The average person cannot tell the difference in a couple tenths quarter mile IMO.

I can see how people tell the throttle response difference. But not the HUGE performance increse. Just my .002. Congrats OP on your new purchase.
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Maybe it's just me, but when I installed my Svede on my '04 I didnt notice hardly any increase in performance. I know it helped bc I tracked the car before and after and it did pick up a couple tenths, but I never understood why people think its a HUGE increase. The average person cannot tell the difference in a couple tenths quarter mile IMO.

I can see how people tell the throttle response difference. But not the HUGE performance increse. Just my .002. Congrats OP on your new purchase.

Same here. I think a lot of it is all in the head.
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Maybe it's just me, but when I installed my Svede on my '04 I didnt notice hardly any increase in performance. I know it helped bc I tracked the car before and after and it did pick up a couple tenths, but I never understood why people think its a HUGE increase. The average person cannot tell the difference in a couple tenths quarter mile IMO.

I can see how people tell the throttle response difference. But not the HUGE performance increse. Just my .002. Congrats OP on your new purchase.

On a somewhat distinct but related note, I noticed a significant, seat of the pants difference with my Vararam in comparison to the K&N in all conditions, but particularly on cool evening drives. So, I have no doubt that a Svede could produce significant SOP improvement.
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On a somewhat distinct but related note, I noticed a significant, seat of the pants difference with my Vararam in comparison to the K&N in all conditions, but particularly on cool evening drives. So, I have no doubt that a Svede could produce significant SOP improvement.

Im by no means saying it's impossible. But I think when people know about heat soak issues on GTO's, and they have a hot air intake i.e K&N, then they swap the part for a known good ram air intake, they have this mind set that their car is going to be a completely different animal. So when the first test drives comes, you've already convinced yourself you have a faster vehicle and am now oblivious to what the vehicle felt like before hand.
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How can an air intake change the exhaust sound?? I don't think that would make the slightest difference.

Now you will hear the intake 'hissing', but that's about it.


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How can an air intake change the exhaust sound?? I don't think that would make the slightest difference.

Now you will hear the intake 'hissing', but that's about it.


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Well I got ripped off then!! My exhaust note didn't change.


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Now you will hear the intake 'hissing', but that's about it.


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Maybe it's just me, but when I installed my Svede on my '04 I didnt notice hardly any increase in performance. I know it helped bc I tracked the car before and after and it did pick up a couple tenths, but I never understood why people think its a HUGE increase. The average person cannot tell the difference in a couple tenths quarter mile IMO.

I can see how people tell the throttle response difference. But not the HUGE performance increse. Just my .002. Congrats OP on your new purchase.

I made the same claim and got flamed! I got third place in a high school car show because of it.
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I paid a bit more attention to it during my tune. It seems to be mid-range only. Kind of like a screaming/singing difference. I now realize that it was always kind of doing it, but now it's just a bit more obvious to me like someone stated, "it's your car and you know it inside/out".

But going from a HAI to this? No, it truly did become a different beast, but that's also because I had a leak big enough to see through! Lol (I'll post pics later on). So, going to a Svede PLUS closing that gap made an enormous difference. Also, got my final numbers. I had a weird torque spike in my final pull that made it read 381 torque, but according to the rest of the dyno sheet, my final was 343/360 on a hot, humid day with Svede and full exhaust (plus tune). I'm pretty happy with those numbers. I was hoping to scrape 350rwhp, but she drives like an animal now. The comparison of now and before the tune/Svede is very obviously different.


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Same here. I think a lot of it is all in the head.

It is mostly in the head.

Unless you do before and after dyno numbers, you wont know exactly how much you gained.

You can only think of the advertisements. "guaranteed to make 20+hp". "SOTP difference!!!" etc etc.

Then when you get it, you remember those advertisements and roll with it.

Its a placebo effect. While of course they give you extra power, the testimonials of the svede that people give are rather exaggerated.
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Its mostly in my head I guess, but there is noticable difference in overall perfomance of the car.

Been apart of a 21 RWHP gain once. We pulled a K&N off and installed a Svede. After a few pulls and the tuner made adjustments. Final gain was 21 HP & 11 TQ, numbers increased across the board with no other changes to the car. The car did have a previous tune on it prior with a K&N, maybe a poor tune is possible here. At the end of the day it was a gain.

Anyone else have any Svede improvement numbers to share?
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I was at 330/343 with my K&N. today I put down that 343/360 with the Svede.


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I was at 330/343 with my K&N. today I put down that 343/360 with the Svede.

Thats awesome, I'd be real happy about that Tq number +17 gain. Good stuff.
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Svede absolutely for the win, haha.
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Ignore the 381 Tq. It was a temporary spike. It was really about 360 without that burp.
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Thats awesome, I'd be real happy about that Tq number +17 gain. Good stuff.

Definitely. I was hoping to break 350rwhp, but if you notice the temp and humidity in my pictures, some night time driving will bump my numbers up. Also, STILL no rubbing from the hood. So far so good!


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