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Old 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM   #1
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Are these valve springs worth a damn?

So, just curious if these are any better than stock? Also, will they be suitable for a mild street cam?

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Old 02-14-2013, 09:01 PM   #2
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Depends on the lift. Those don't look like they support too much, you could do better. Don't be a cheapskate on springs.

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Installed Height: 90#@1.800
Open Pressure: 295#@1.250
Max Lift: 0.570"

What are your cam specs?
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I was planning on dual or beehives, but I was just curious. Seems too cheap to be worth much.
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Very mild... like borderline what's-the-point mild. But yes, they're better than stock.

They're cheap because they were OEM on LS6 motors. Doesn't mean they're not good- I'm running a set on a motor with my stock GTO cam to keep valves closed under high boost.
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I was planning on dual or beehives, but I was just curious. Seems too cheap to be worth much.

Looks that way, I'm not certain but they look like stock replacements.

I went with PAC springs, 1218's if I remember correctly.

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-439-pac...ve-spring.aspx

They're rated to a .600" lift, suitable for most small-ish cams.
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so those beehives would be fine with this?

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Should be, I have a 224R cam on a .581" lift with those springs, I chose them on the track record they have of being reliable. I'm sure others would back be up with that.

Why such a tiny cam??

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Old 02-14-2013, 09:25 PM   #8
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with stock internals, I'd like to keep the powerband 6500 or less. I'm still shopping, so this cam isn't a definite.
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You can faithfully go a lot bigger than that, I'm biased on my decision, but I love me 224R (224/224 .581/.581) on a 112lsa and I love it. I made 371RWHP in my stock heads, stock stall A4 2004 GTO.

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Ok, then let me tell you a bit of my desires. It's an M6. I like a lopey idle, but don't want it to sound like it's going to stall. I'd like to gain 30hp or more. I'd like to keep the revs at 6500 for the end of the powerband.
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do a search for 224r or a 228r, they're both very proven cams with excellent driveability.

The LSA you choose effects the idle "chop" and powerband of the cam. Roughly speaking, the lower the LSA, the choppier the idle and earlier the power comes on. The higher the LSA the smoother the idle, and the later the power comes on.

Very roughly you'll gain 40hp or so with the 224R, and closer to 50hp with the 228R with a good dyno tune. Contact Texas Speed if you want more expertise here, or Ed the cam guy.

Are you doing the work, or a shop?
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Gotcha. I figure the 114 or a 113 might be my LSA, but I should talk to an expert. I keep hearing good things about texas speed, so maybe a custom grind....who knows? I'll be doing the work also. I've been wrenching for almost 20 years on various things, so i'd feel silly having a shop do it.
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Good, glad to hear you're doing it. It was a learning experience for me, but the feeling of doing it in your garage is awesome.

Texas speed offers some nice cam packages, call or email them they're great people.

Also unless you're tuning yourself, contact a local reputable LSx knowledgeable tuner and tell them your plans.

Just to mention, you should maybe think of doing a new oil pump, timing chain, and have a new timing cover gasket, coolant, and water pump gaskets ready to go.

You'll also need a 3 jaw puller for the crank pulley, and something other than the stock bolt to get it back on unless you're doing an underdrive pulley as well. And a spring compressor, and a spark plug threaded air fitting to hold the valves up when you change them, or do the TDC method.
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I used the LS1howto page here : http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=23
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Very good! Thanks for the info.
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Advanced Induction sells aftermarket cams that can be used with the LS6 springs

Go down to high mileage cams.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:44 AM   #17
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Very mild... like borderline what's-the-point mild. But yes, they're better than stock.

They're not better than stock. They're the same smurfing springs that are in his motor right now.
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